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Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic?
    #5651714 - 05/19/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have yet to hallucinate on it... And yet so many sources refer to it as a hallucinogen?


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5651739 - 05/19/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is possible. Just earlier this week I had an unusual intense high and found myself lying in bed watching tv (the screen looked very 'detatched') with some dot patterns going over my vision thinking "Could I have put the bud in a baggie with some other drug in it?" (of course knowing this wasn't possible deep inside). But yeah... It does happen...


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5651753 - 05/19/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just because it doesn't work that way for you, doesn't mean it isn't hallucinogenic.

Some very useful pharmaceutical drugs can cause death in normal dosages for certain people... so from the POV of those people, it's just a poison. Should those drugs be classified as poisons? :wink:


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5651776 - 05/19/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

try a tincture or just eating a small amount, then smoke on it.

set and setting play big roles too. stare into some trees, unfocus your eyes


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: christ_house]
    #5651800 - 05/19/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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try a tincture or just eating a small amount, then smoke on it.

set and setting play big roles too. stare into some trees, unfocus your eyes





Hmm.. Well what I have experienced is, trees looking as though they are drawn in anime, and views looking like art. Don't really think that is a hallucination, guess It doesn't effect me that way, :frown:


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5652513 - 05/20/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Weed can be very trippy. However, its not like a Mushroom or LSD trip. However, after smoking weed, I have had rather complex CEVs, and OEVs with objects animating, walls breathing, increased apprecation for music, etc.

Sure, its not really in the same class/intensity of Mushrooms, LSD, Mescaline, DMT, etc - but that doesnt stop the fact that it can be very psychedelic.

Also, certian strains of weed are 'trippier' than others.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: kaniz]
    #5652551 - 05/20/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ive gotten minor cevs and sometimes lights seem brighter when ive been on really good herb...i get real spacey sometimes to...and increased appreciation for music...


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: camelsmoker]
    #5652555 - 05/20/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I smoked weed for years before i tried pills, and i can say that i have hallucinated of weed about 3 times in my life. Once was the first time i smoked, and i kept seeing dogs everywhere out the corner of my eyes, and shit move, the second was i kept hearing a mobile phone ring cant remember the third.

Some ppl do and some dont. My friend hardly ever smokes and when i smoked with her once, we were looking up at the stars and she said they were all flashing multicolored and shit.

I like to think of weed more as just a good compliment to other drugs


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5652605 - 05/20/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have yet to hallucinate on it... And yet so many sources refer to it as a hallucinogen?




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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5652637 - 05/20/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have yet to hallucinate on it... And yet so many sources refer to it as a hallucinogen?




You're expecting too much. You're not going to see people morph out of your wall and eat your cheese; but chemically it has the properties of a hallucinogen. Like others have said, it does indeed affect your vision sometimes, and often your auditory sense.

I often think I hear somone calling me from the other room if I get really high, or hear other strange sounds that don't exist.
If you want to experience any sort of visual disruption on weed, you really have to let your mind wander and want to see it. Even then, if you're expecting mushroom-like visuals, eat some mushrooms!


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: bongoboy2000]
    #5652659 - 05/20/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Smoke some c99 or some haze :thumbup:


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5652843 - 05/20/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the hallucinogenic properties become more apparent for me when taken orally + smoking later but that doesn't neccesarily mean that one can expect tryptamine-like visuals. when JUST smoking some good herb i almost always get much brighter colors (especially green), light trails (especially flies), subtle emerging patterns.. like tree-bark, etc

they're not going to jump out at you.. unless of course you're already in the depths of a tryptamine experience. i can then expect much more than visual accentuation. but that's another topic


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: christ_house]
    #5652857 - 05/20/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

when i smoke a bowl or two and its dark outside, there are alot of colors that i see out of the corner of my eye in the darkness... also i hear alot of things such as loud stomping or booming... idk it affects everyone differently i guess.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: wortiesbo]
    #5652997 - 05/20/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the term 'hallucinogen' is a misnomer. Psychedelic sounds correct.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5653073 - 05/20/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

auditory hallucinations are pretty common. Especially if you smoke alone. I always think I'm hearing someone calling me or phones ringing, or sometimes even music. As far as visual changes go, I often get a 'detached' look to things (as if they're not really part of what I'm looking at but almost like they've been layered over a foreground... If that makes any sense). 'scattered' vision (splitting double vision and just really hard to foccus) and occasionally dots or basic patterns forming over my field of vision (rare)


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5653248 - 05/20/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Auditory hallucinations can easily be acheived from smoking a high quality sativa or hashish. Oral consumption leads to increasingly vivid CEVs and sometimes OEVs.

I just ate a pot cookie last night, and it was about the size of 4 skittles. I hallucinated while on the computer about 2 hours after ingestion. Saw lots of tracers and OEVs in the corner of my eye, so I got off the computer and did some other things. I enjoyed exploring my physche, playing around with visuals and distinguishing night time ambients from hallucinatory audio/visual components. Ahhh very tough!

But yeah, not only in my opinion would I say that marijuana is a hallucinogen, but I would back that one up with science.

Just because you haven't experienced this, that doesn't mean that it's not true. That means that you aren't smoking the best weed or having been in the right setting.

When you take psychedelics and have too much anticipation for tripping out and seeing shit, you will end up very disappointed unless you take a heroic dosage. Just let it come to you and don't try forcing anything out of it or searching for things. When it does hit you, go with it and analyze things. Whenever I had set the wrong expectations in the past, I never enjoyed any psychedelic substances. Now I've been able to really understand them.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: browndustin]
    #5653316 - 05/20/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"The latin root of 'hallucinogen' is hallucinari, or elucinari, which translates as 'mind-wandering' or 'mind-travelling'. By moving beyond the obvious association to hallucination, which itself is defined as a false perception or false idea, and examining 'hallucinogen' from the perspective of the induction of mind voyaging, the term is no longer constrained within the fixed, pathological framework.." - Gary L. Bravo, M.D.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: christ_house]
    #5654002 - 05/20/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I hallucinate almost each time I smoke up. Then again I only smopke the best.

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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: theuser]
    #5654040 - 05/20/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why has no one corrected this statement? Marijuana is NOT classified as a hallucinogen - it's a depressant.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Morph89]
    #5654047 - 05/20/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

GOTTA MAKE SURE TO CLASSIFY IT ASAP!!!!


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Morph89]
    #5654048 - 05/20/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It doesn't easily fit into any of the conventional drug categories.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: theuser]
    #5654070 - 05/20/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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GOTTA MAKE SURE TO CLASSIFY IT ASAP!!!!




No need for the attitude, drugs are classified by what they do to the body. Weed is physically a depressant and is catagorized in the same group as alcohol, heroin and other opiates. I mean hell, alcohol can give you minor hallucinations but it is a not a hallucinogen. Weed can rarely contain THCV but as a whole is indeed a depressant.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Morph89]
    #5654074 - 05/20/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have open eyed visuals from weed probobly every 1 out of 5 times I smoke. Depends how often I smoke though. That is with daily smoking. If I have a low tolerence, then most likely patterns will shift around and stuff. Most of the times my visuals are more of walls breathing and patterns moving, but sometimes I have actual hallucinations, like shadows moving on the wall and stuff that aren't there.

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Why has no one corrected this statement? Marijuana is NOT classified as a hallucinogen - it's a depressant.




http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

Cannabis is both classified as a depressant and a psychedelic.
Hallucinogens consist of psychedelics, dissociatives, and deleriants.
Ever smoke some good sativa? Deffinatly not deppresant (for me atleast).


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: self_destrukt]
    #5654091 - 05/20/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

Cannabis is both classified as a depressant and a psychedelic.
Hallucinogens consist of psychedelics, dissociatives, and deleriants.
Ever smoke some good sativa? Deffinatly not deppresant (for me atleast).




Snip snap sap, didnt know it was both..and stimulant too hmm? A stimulating depressant? lol. But yeah, i've seen lots of shapes and patterns when I smoke, pretty much every time i smoke. One time I saw a lizard running in place on a ceiling, so yeah, i wont doubt that it can make you see hallucinations  :flowerchild:


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Morph89]
    #5654173 - 05/20/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"GOTTA MAKE SURE TO CLASSIFY IT ASAP!!!!"

and
"Marijuana is NOT classified as a hallucinogen - it's a depressant. "

i think were jokes.. sarcasm... ya? no need for anyone to get nutty over it, i had seen much when high, CEVs for sure so woopti!!


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: swampthing]
    #5654225 - 05/20/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: theuser]
    #5654419 - 05/20/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The term hallucinogen doesn't only reefer....i mean, refer to visual hallucinations, it also implies multi-sensual hallucinations, such as aural. Pot definitely gives me aural hallucinations, which is why music sounds so damn good after a bowl or five.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5654512 - 05/20/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Aural? You mean 'oral'? And no, that's audio  :wink:

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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: StickyWater]
    #5654602 - 05/20/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Aural? You mean 'oral'? And no, that's audio  :wink:

"Oh my God, I have thousands of mouths!"  :lol:




hilarious.....wiseguy  :wink:


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5655693 - 05/21/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i'm gonna back up the fact that THC is an hallucinogen!

i've seen faces morph which was real trippy (i wasn't ready for that lol :grin:)
and pattern recognition is MUCH higher while stoned... you can visually interact with patterns if you watch something for long enough (like someone mentioned layers over the forground... espacially with trees and complex things... i find i can roam the 3D space with my vision (without moving)

my guess is you've never smoked any sensimilla (i was BLOWEN away the first time i smoked sensi... i had no idea weed could be like THAT :smirk:  kinda sucks because good weed is very hard to find around here and i can't go back to the seedy shag i used to smoke... at least we have hash)


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Simisu]
    #5655904 - 05/21/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've tripped with indica the first time I tried it. Strong CEVs, mild time distortion, and morphing people's faces and outfits. Have tried sativa and hash hundreds of times with not even near results.

Well, most hash here is from morocco and it's pretty crappy (literally).


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: sever]
    #5656066 - 05/21/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

heh after vaporizing about 6 bowls i go and lay in my bathtub and get strobe vision and my view of reality is twisted insanely out of normal its awesome.

few times i was able to cull a ball of swirling colors that pules these crazy greens and then i could "throw" the ball by doing these finger movements it was incredible.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: MrMolotov]
    #5657500 - 05/21/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Keep smoking, and eventually you will understand...


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: thelorax121]
    #5658401 - 05/21/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ive had visuals on it several times. One of the first times I got high with some friends, I sat around watching him play mortal kombat on xbox for 30 minutes. After that we figured out that the controller wasnt connected to the game. The buttons he was pressing just made sence with the movements. That was funny as hell afterwards. Another time more recent, I remember laying out on the couch in the garage and seeing what I thought were zombies at the window. Of course I was smoking some headies along with eatting a few firecrackers before but none the less, I was still seeing them. I swear.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: JJ01769]
    #5658878 - 05/22/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I few times years back when i ate hash cookies or smoked 8 or 9 cones in a row I would say that things were pretty strange - room was sorta chaning shape and stuff.
But i look at it more this way - any substance that expands your perceptions, ideas, or the way you think about things is in some way a hallucinogen In my opinion.
I used to love to get stoned in the day and watch jets fly over to the airport in the sun - they looked like toys.
And the music i wrote and the lyrics I came up with - the ideas for the book im writing - all came from the change in perception that weed gave me.
I dont smoke it much now unfortunately because i have a health condition that it messes with by lowering my blood pressure and I sure as hell miss it. But every now and then i can still smoke it without ill effects.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5666703 - 05/23/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Personally, i never get OEVs from smoking. But every time i smoke alot, CEVs are always apparent. They're not really hullucinations, however. They're usually just intense and flowing patterns in grey and primary colors.


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: TappyT]
    #5666779 - 05/23/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Eat an 8th and you'll see why its in consideraton


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Re: Why is weed considered a hallucinogenic? [Re: capliberty]
    #5667400 - 05/24/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My cat usualy just smokes till hes so stoned that he has to lay down or he will faint. he then closes his eyes and finds that he can picture things in his head, anything he wants, vividly, even trippy if prefered. images race by in his head, or so hes told me. from my cats stories, it sounds like weed can be quite psychedelic.


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