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12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI]
    #5651680 - 05/19/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Drug mixture blamed for 12 deaths in 2 days in Wayne County
Associated Press
May 19, 2006 - woodtv.com

DETROIT - A lethal mixture of a pain control drug and heroin or cocaine has caused the deaths of at least 12 people in Wayne County since yesterday.
Four deaths were reported yesterday, followed by eight today.

Vanessa Denha-Garmo is a spokeswoman for County Executive Robert Ficano.

She says all the victims apparently overdosed on a combination of narcotics and Fentanyl (FEN'-tuh-nil) -- a pain-killer used by patients with terminal cancer.

Denha-Garmo says the bodies have been found on the streets or in crack houses in Detroit or in suburbs west of the city.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: veggie]
    #5652381 - 05/20/06 05:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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At least 12 people died in 24 hours Thursday and Friday in Wayne County from a potent prescription drug mixed with heroin and cocaine, said officials who expect more deaths over the weekend.

Officials issued an alert late Friday, saying they feared drug dealers were adding fentanyl, a powerful drug prescribed to cancer patients, to heroin and cocaine to boost the high for their customers. The victims ranged in age from 20 to 45 and were found in crack houses and on the streets in Detroit, Dearborn Heights, Lincoln Park, Redford and Westland. Eight deaths were reported Friday and four on Thursday, mostly from a heroin-fentanyl mix. Names of victims were not released. Hospitals and authorities in Oakland and Macomb counties reported no similar deaths.

Fentanyl is supposed to be used only by those suffering from around-the-clock pain. If consumed in large amounts, it can cause breathing problems, possibly fatal, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

Like heroin, fentanyl can act as a strong sedative, giving users a drowsy high. But it's potentially more dangerous. Last year, the FDA issued a public warning about inappropriate use of the prescription drug.

From September through March, the Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office confirmed 106 drug deaths, the majority linked to combinations of fentanyl and heroin. But the increase in deaths Thursday and Friday prompted county and state officials to announce a health alert Friday.

Officials from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta are headed to Wayne County on Monday to assess the problem, said Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano.

"We are not trying to have panic, but this is a very serious public health issue," Ficano said Friday. "The dramatic spike within the past 24 hours shows that there's a very lethal amount that is being distributed on the street at this very moment."

T.J. Bucholz, spokesman for the state Department of Community Health, said the CDC is interested in Detroit's cases because of similar events reported in other cities.

The CDC is particularly interested in whether the Detroit drugs may have come from Chicago, where there have been reports of fentanyl-laced heroin causing overdoses and death, Bucholz said.

Similar outbreaks of deaths linked to mixtures of fentanyl and heroin were reported last weekend in the Philadelphia area.

Last weekend, 22 people went to Chicago hospitals after overdosing on the fentanyl-heroin mix.

Two CDC officials said Friday they were unaware the agency was sending investigators to Detroit. The CDC typically does not investigate Fentanyl-related deaths.

"We have no information about CDC being asked to investigate," said agency spokeswoman Bernadette Burden. Oakland County Medical Examiner Ljubisa Dragovic called the Wayne County deaths "significant" and said they could indicate people were getting their drugs from the same source.

"That calls for looking at the location" of the victims, "whether they were from the same neighborhood or dope house to see if there is any geographic pattern. Then you would have to focus on the suppliers."

Ficano and Chief Wayne County Medical Examiner Carl Schmidt said there is a good chance that street dealers don't know what fatal mixture lies in the drug packages they are selling. Schmidt said victims are injecting or snorting the drugs.

Area hospitals, law enforcement agencies and EMS networks have been notified of the drug crisis.

"Drug use does dramatically go up on the weekends, both recreational and those of addiction," Ficano said. "From what I understand it's almost an instantaneous death when you take it with the combination."

Ficano said he's also concerned that people who injected drugs could be lying dead, undiscovered, in crack houses or drug dens. Michele Reid, Wayne County's medical director of mental health services, said there is treatment for people who overdose on the drug if they get to an emergency room immediately.

Those who take the drug mixture may notice extreme euphoria followed by difficulty walking, or a deep slumber accompanied by heavy snoring, she said.

Major dealers may be cutting the drugs with fentanyl to give their product a better boost.

"It's competitive," Ficano said. "They can brag that they have the substance that gives you a better high. It's capitalism."

Fentanyl, first made in Belgium in the late 1950s, can be about 80 times more powerful than morphine, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Today the potent prescription painkiller is dispensed in the form of a patch, say federal officials.

In 2003, the last year for available U.S. figures, there were 418 deaths in Wayne, Macomb and Oakland counties from opiates, a drug category that includes Fentanyl, other prescription drugs like OxyContin and heroin. Out of those 418 deaths, 72 were from heroin. One variation of fentanyl is sometimes known as China White, according to medical experts.

A national health official said the number of deaths in Detroit is high.

"That's a lot," said Leah Young, spokeswoman for the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: veggie]
    #5652943 - 05/20/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh nooooes! People dying from OD's in Detroit?! That's news? I thought that was just something you assumed every day you woke up..... *yaaaaaaaaaaawn* "Ahhhh, well.... another 20 dead druggies in D-town today...."


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #5652999 - 05/20/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dont do heroin.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653029 - 05/20/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: OJK]
    #5653168 - 05/20/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah and heroin


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653703 - 05/20/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

its fentanyl's fault. a normal dose of standard grade heroin. is nowhere near as deadly a dose of standard grade fentanyl. although opium contains fentanyl, in high quantities like this (probably gel mixed with heroin powder), its quite fuckin deadly.

no shit heroins addictive, but it wasnt responsible for killing those people.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5653829 - 05/20/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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its fentanyl's fault. a normal dose of standard grade heroin. is nowhere near as deadly a dose of standard grade fentanyl. although opium contains fentanyl, in high quantities like this (probably gel mixed with heroin powder), its quite fuckin deadly.

no shit heroins addictive, but it wasnt responsible for killing those people.




Yeah, I know what you are saying. I just see it in a different way. They want heroin - buy something sold as heroin - die. Moral of the story... don't do heroin.  :thumbup:


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653878 - 05/20/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thats a half-ass moral of the story.

legalize heroin and produce it so that the sources will always be pure and provide fresh needles and safety gear so that one can inject safely with reduced chance of STD's, cysts, violence, and OD'ing. Mainly, Educate not slanderize.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5653991 - 05/20/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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thats a half-ass moral of the story.

legalize heroin and produce it so that the sources will always be pure and provide fresh needles and safety gear so that one can inject safely with reduced chance of STD's, cysts, violence, and OD'ing. Mainly, Educate not slanderize.




Good luck with that. Probably better off making your own... The government is not going to legalize heroin anytime in the foreseeable future. They wont even legalize cannabis!  :smirk:


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5657337 - 05/21/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

EquilibriuM, you're a shit head.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5659855 - 05/22/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

why do you say such a thing?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5660067 - 05/22/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

theres no way heroin will become legalized - hes just stating an obvious fact.

its probably better for me that it wont be anyways - i got a pretty addictive personality ;p

and besides even if the drug was legalized - there would still be a grip of people who dont know what the fuck theyre doing ODing on legalized forms of the drug - or trying to mix it with other drugs to get more fucked up

no matter what people are going to die - from earthquakes -floods - drugs whatever -

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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: OJK]
    #6087557 - 09/21/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state




So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6087568 - 09/21/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

That would be like saying if I sleep with your wife it's your fault for not keeping her satisfied.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6088150 - 09/21/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state




So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




You're missing his point completely. Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

What Odium is saying is that if this substance were legal it would be regulated so that no other ingredients would make their way into the end product. The cocktail that these poor schleps took was heroin AND fentanyl (read the article). With regulation there would be no fentanyl in their heroin and they would have lived to shoot up another day.
Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6088416 - 09/21/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

this has been a fairly big problem all throughout the main cities in the midwest lately. I know a person from the grand rapids area who died recently to this mix... *strange coincidence* he was my unofficial sponser in NA when i got out of rehab after i got out of high school... I was shocked to see he died of an OD on fentanyl, i knew the man was a addict, but addict can be good people and he was a good person... If the government was regulating heroin instead of letting people who don't have the crookedest fuck of an idea what they are doing manufacture it, not so many GOOD people would be dying from heroin usage...

I don't shoot heroin anymore, and with the fentanyl problem I am glad, but that doesn't mean that a good person like myself, couldn't end up dead because some stupid fucks added something to my acid, ecstacy, other other various form ofter mind-altering deliciousness. If the government actually gave a shit about it's people it would begin to understand drugs aren't leaving, no war is going to stop them and they would begin to regulate our drugs, especially ones that use needles such as heroin.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: veggie]
    #6088499 - 09/21/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Heroin is for losers!


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6089364 - 09/22/06 04:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state




So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




You're missing his point completely. Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

What Odium is saying is that if this substance were legal it would be regulated so that no other ingredients would make their way into the end product. The cocktail that these poor schleps took was heroin AND fentanyl (read the article). With regulation there would be no fentanyl in their heroin and they would have lived to shoot up another day.
Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.




Shutup queer.

You're probably one of them dirty hippys that think a shit drug like heroin should be legalized.


Edited by Daybreak (09/22/06 04:44 AM)


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6089486 - 09/22/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

People who do H could give less than a fuck about their health. They know the risk. If you do heroine you are flirting with death.

But, I agree that prohibition is never the answer. Nor is censorship. Everyone in life has their thing.

Education is the answer. Some people will never learn because a) they refuse or b) they are unable. Either way, that's life and it's natural.

Fucking holier than thou squares will never understand that. So they try to ban everything they don't understand and as a result make the world a darker place. I hope for their sake that there is a lord so thier time isn't wasted when they run to church every Sunday on their knees preying for forgiveness.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6089586 - 09/22/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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DNKYD said:
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Daybreak said:
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Odiumjunkie said:
this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state




So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




You're missing his point completely. Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

What Odium is saying is that if this substance were legal it would be regulated so that no other ingredients would make their way into the end product. The cocktail that these poor schleps took was heroin AND fentanyl (read the article). With regulation there would be no fentanyl in their heroin and they would have lived to shoot up another day.
Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.




Shutup queer.

You're probably one of them dirty hippys that think a shit drug like heroin should be legalized.




In a truly free society no drug can be off limits. It's not the government's responsibility to ensure heroin users are using responsibly. It's the job of the heroin user. Do I think heroin is a good drug that brings people together and gives a positive experience? Hell no. Do I think a human's right to use heroin should be taken away just because they can't use responsibly? Hell no.

And if you want to use unnecessary insults you can take those and your half-assed arguments elsewhere.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6089665 - 09/22/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yo this bitch OD in the passenger seat of my car when she got that fental stamped H2...all she sniffed was a corner of a bag...she was straight nodding out...and all I tought about was what a turn off seeing someone nod that bad...Then bam we stopped and she got out of the car did 2 spins then face plant...all these people were looking I put her back in the car and smacked her a couple times and she wouldn't wake up...luckily the hospital was right down the street...she surived...but damb this shit is straight leathal...it all happened in like 10 mins


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6091027 - 09/22/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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DNKYD said:
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Daybreak said:
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Odiumjunkie said:
this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state




So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




You're missing his point completely. Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

What Odium is saying is that if this substance were legal it would be regulated so that no other ingredients would make their way into the end product. The cocktail that these poor schleps took was heroin AND fentanyl (read the article). With regulation there would be no fentanyl in their heroin and they would have lived to shoot up another day.
Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.




Shutup queer.

You're probably one of them dirty hippys that think a shit drug like heroin should be legalized.




In a truly free society no drug can be off limits. It's not the government's responsibility to ensure heroin users are using responsibly. It's the job of the heroin user. Do I think heroin is a good drug that brings people together and gives a positive experience? Hell no. Do I think a human's right to use heroin should be taken away just because they can't use responsibly? Hell no.

And if you want to use unnecessary insults you can take those and your half-assed arguments elsewhere.




Ok, here's my argument: you're a fag.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091069 - 09/22/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

What the fuck is wrong with idiots like daybreak, and EquilibriuM.. If people are going to fucking do heroin, they are OBVIOUSLY going to do it, what the fuck ever the laws are against it. ATLEAST if the drug was LEGAL we could regulate it and PEOPLE WOULDNT DIE FROM BAD HITS. And WTF is wrong with you (all), but whoever said "People who do H could give less than a fuck about their health. They know the risk. If you do heroine you are flirting with death" Seriously.. people use drugs as a way to excape reality.. if someone really wants to die, they need help.. not people to fucking blow them off. And people going to those levels to excape the pain of LIVING, NEED help.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: MustNotBe]
    #6091168 - 09/22/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, who let the homo in?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091277 - 09/22/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Let's try and stay on topic here people. If there is any more flaming, I will lock this thread. Please try and keep it civilized. Thank you.


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    #6091435 - 09/22/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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ATLEAST if the drug was LEGAL we could regulate it and PEOPLE WOULDNT DIE FROM BAD HITS.




So what about alcohol and cigarettes? Both are legal, both are regulated by the government, and both kill people ALL THE FUCKING TIME.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091455 - 09/22/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I actually don't give a fuck what anyone does with their lives. As long as it doesn't interfere with my life, have at it.

My problem is with those that try to shift responsibility somewhere other than where it belongs: the individual that made the willful decision in the first place.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091553 - 09/22/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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ATLEAST if the drug was LEGAL we could regulate it and PEOPLE WOULDNT DIE FROM BAD HITS.




So what about alcohol and cigarettes? Both are legal, both are regulated by the government, and both kill people ALL THE FUCKING TIME.




People that drink alchol are killed from driving drunk. That is their *own* judgement. And if they die from it then so be it, I hope they enjoyed their life. But what you are saying is that people deserve to die from drinking alcohol, just drinking it. Of course most people are "responsible" drinkers, and don't go kill themselves. And when you say that people that are in the most general sense of the term "responsible" users of heroin, then they too should not have to worry about getting a bad hit. Its just not fair their government killed them by protecting them. Seen IRobot?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: MustNotBe]
    #6093576 - 09/23/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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People that drink alchol are killed from driving drunk.




Uh, ever heard of alcohol poisoning?

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But what you are saying is that people deserve to die from drinking alcohol, just drinking it.




Are you dumb or just stupid? I never said that anywhere, at anytime.

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when you say that people that are in the most general sense of the term "responsible" users of heroin, then they too should not have to worry about getting a bad hit.




I said everyone is responsible for their own actions, not that heroin users are responsible individuals. Try following sentence structure.

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Its just not fair their government killed them by protecting them.




You're joking right? Noone can be that dumb so you must be joking.

People that start using heroin know full well what they're getting into, be it by the stigma heroin carries, or simple common sense. It's noones fault but their own if they die by overdosing. Blame the bad hit's on their dealers.

I lived in a house full of heroin addicts and it's not a pretty sight. A whole country of heroin addicts nodding off all over the place would not be a good thing.

You're probably young, like late teens to early twenties because your ignorance screams loud and proud. If the planet were under your control we'd all be doomed for sure.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093587 - 09/23/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I knew it.

your myspace page says you're seventeen.

Keep on thinking you know it all kid. One day you'll have a serious crash with reality and it won't be pretty.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093876 - 09/23/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I actually don't give a fuck what anyone does with their lives. As long as it doesn't interfere with my life, have at it.





Good. We seem to be on the same page.

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My problem is with those that try to shift responsibility somewhere other than where it belongs: the individual that made the willful decision in the first place.




I never tried to "shift responsibility". I am a firm believer of personal responsibility and common sense. Unfortunately this country seems to be short on both these days.
I am just pointing out another responsible party in this situation. The federal government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot put into our bodies. They are responsible for the public not having safe and regulated access to our substances of choice. In turn this is what makes them partly responsible for the deaths of these 12 Americans, and many, many more. At the same time all drug users have an obligation to be responsible enough with their use so they do not infringe on anybody's Constitutional rights.

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A whole country of heroin addicts nodding off all over the place would not be a good thing.





Where do you pull this from? If heroin were legalized tomorrow do you think every single person in the country would go out and try it? Sounds a bit far fetched to me. I can't think of a single person that would try heroin, even if it were legal and safely accessible. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal and safely accessible.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093914 - 09/23/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Keep on thinking you know it all kid. One day you'll have a serious crash with reality and it won't be pretty.




I was just saying your insensitive to the people that died. And when you said "ever heard of alcohol poisoning" That is completely different.. That is overdose, in contrary to one shot killing you, as in it being "poisonous"

and I had my crash with reality, I was arrest for 3 felonies for hacking some random computers, and a government server. But I'd not saying I'm smart, don't get my wrong.. I'm not. But I'm just got off probation. this is off topic but w/e


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Make drugs legal, or alcohol and tobacco illegal. Either way it's more fair.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] *DELETED* [Re: DNKYD]
    #6093931 - 09/23/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093961 - 09/23/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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The federal government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot put into our bodies.




Alright then, we do agree on something.

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If heroin were legalized tomorrow do you think every single person in the country would go out and try it? Sounds a bit far fetched to me. I can't think of a single person that would try heroin, even if it were legal and safely accessible. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal and safely accessible.




Noone really knows until it's tried. I'm guessing it would be bigtime.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6094001 - 09/23/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You don't have to DO a drug in order to know its effects on not only the user but those around the user (friends, family). Just like you I've seen peoples lives destroyed by doing stupid shit with drugs like heroin. They weren't being responsible.
Your notion that everyone and their brother would go out and do (insert drug's name here) the day it is legalized is on par with the propagandists' way of thinking.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6094282 - 09/23/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Bottom line is the government will never legalize heroin so it's pointless to debate it.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6094316 - 09/23/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

It's defeatist attitudes like yours that undermind legalization movements.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6094918 - 09/24/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Haha, dude, I don't want heroin legalized so that "defeatist attitude" is a positive in my favor. I couldn't care less what you want. Take a bath or something and drop it already.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6095030 - 09/24/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

At the moment we have;
1. Drugs readily available for All ages EVERYWHERE.
2. Drugs are controlled and distributed by PROFIT based organized criminals.
3. The profits of such go on to fund further crime and drug production.
4. The drugs are not controlled thus (as in this case) deadly mixes are sold for more profit at the cost of harming the end users.
5. Government lies and misinformation causes people to not know who or what to trust when it comes to drug education.

And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
a) Impure deadly mixes
b) Dealers / pushers making new users on the street
c) Availability (local pushers gone) and desirability to the underage (doctors prescription removes novelty value)


Give people back their freedom to choose and educate them honestly - this is the way forward.

Other wise it will be done behind there backs as it is now.


In the UK more people (per head) smoke cannabis than in the Netherlands where it is legal!


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Ego Death]
    #6095136 - 09/24/06 08:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Nice double talk, you should run for office.

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At the moment we have;
Drugs readily available for All ages EVERYWHERE.




And legal drugs aren't?

I started drinking heavy alcohol at the age of ten, and smoking cigarettes at twelve. Meaning an already legal drug is neither undesirable nor inaccessible to minors.

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Drugs are controlled and distributed by PROFIT based organized criminals.
The profits of such go on to fund further crime and drug production.




The mafia has controlled both alcohol and tobacco for decades and that's the largest criminal organization there is.

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drugs are not controlled thus (as in this case) deadly mixes are sold for more profit at the cost of harming the end users.




People mix legal drugs like alcohol, beer, and wine all the time with very negative results such as alcohol poisioning, car accidents, seizures, delirium tremens, and the deadly liver disease cirrhosis.

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Government lies and misinformation causes people to not know who or what to trust when it comes to drug education.




Wow, that's pretty convoluted. Do you have solid proof or are you just perpetuating the myth?

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And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
a) Impure deadly mixes




People mix legal drugs like alcohol, beer, and wine all the time with very negative results such as alcohol poisioning, car accidents, seizures, delirium tremens, and the deadly liver disease cirrhosis.

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And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
b) Dealers / pushers making new users on the street




I was introduced to both alcohol and cigarettes through marketing such as television, billboards, and magazine ads. That and word of mouth made me a "new user".

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And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
c) Availability (local pushers gone) and desirability to the underage (doctors prescription removes novelty value)




I started drinking heavy alcohol at the age of ten, and smoking cigarettes at twelve. Meaning an already legal drug is neither undesirable nor inaccessible to minors. The only availability for alcohol or cigarettes I had was local homeowners I stoled it from.

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In the UK more people (per head) smoke cannabis than in the Netherlands where it is legal!




That's because the UK's population is five times that of the Netherlands:

UK
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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6095189 - 09/24/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

This was a big deal in other areas of MI too, I had a good friend whose roommate OD'd (didn't die, thank God) on this very mixture.

Fact: Heroin Is an Awesome High
Fact: Heroin can kill you.

I don't think it's the governments job to educate the masses on what a safe dose would be, or how to sterilize needles before sharing, or why hepatitis (sorry for the spelling) is a terrible disease. That's the users responsibility and in the end, harm or happiness is as well. We already live in a litigious, pass-the-buck society and I'd hate to see it get any worse. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS KEY.

I am an ex-junkie. Coke was my deal though... While I believe the government should regulate and decriminalize these drugs it shouldn't be for quality control (though that would be a great fringe benefit) it should be for pure, simple, profit. Democracy, believe it or not, is a result of capitalism, not the other way around. Not a bad system either, we just have some shitheads running things.

My 2 cents.

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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6096533 - 09/24/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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The mafia has controlled both alcohol and tobacco for decades and that's the largest criminal organization there is.




Prove it. Sounds like a crackpot theory to me.



By your arguments it sounds like you are in favor of making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Is this true?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6097522 - 09/25/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Legalizing heroin would pretty much end or drasticly reduce our countries opiate problem. If the government provided free heroin to junkies, much like they do with methadone, all illicit heroin would dissapear. That means there would be no new users starting the drug, or vastly less because eventually the government clinics would be the only place it is available.
Unfortunalty our government would never do it because they make way too much money on heroin. Yes, for all you patriots who don't want to believe it, our government deals heroin. It is probably the one largest profiteer in the illicit drug trade.
The very same reasons make it attractive to our government as to street dealers. Namely, money, specificly money that does not need to be accounted for. It has been exposed as fact that the CIA sold cocaine in major American cites in the 80's to fund various anti leftist groups in Latin America. This goes much deeper than this one instance.
If you look at the latest major wars we were involved in. Vietnam, Nicaragua(other L. American countries as well) and the latest Afghanistan. In the 60's Vietnam was the worlds leading producer of opium, of course cociane in L. America in the 80's and still today, and it's no secrete Afghanistan's main commercial product is opium.

All that being said, I really wish I could score some of this shit.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6099179 - 09/25/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Daybreak said:
The mafia has controlled both alcohol and tobacco for decades and that's the largest criminal organization there is.




Prove it. Sounds like a crackpot theory to me.




What, you've never heard of a semi loaded with cigarettes being hijacked?

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By your arguments it sounds like you are in favor of making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Is this true?




Why do you assume to know my opinion on something if I have not yet stated it?

No, I want both to stay legal because they already are.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6099446 - 09/25/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Daybreak, I see you're new here.

You may not understand what we have going here, but it's not a free for all abuse ring, if you really feel the need to express that kind of hate, please find somewhere else to do it.






PS: distribution, education, and rehabilitation are proven methods for keeping drug problems in check.

Illegalization has absolutely no long term success in drug abuse prevention. It is only useful for disrupting supply lines temporarily, until users establish their black market.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6099450 - 09/25/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

This thread, which was going pretty well, seems to be getting way off course here. I whole heartedly encourage debate, but let's try and keep things in perspective here please. If you have a disagreement with a statement made by another person, state your disagreement, but please try and be courteous about it.

I would hate to lock this thread because a few people can't seem to get along. Thank you in advance for keeping things under control. Please continue this discussion.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6099649 - 09/25/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Daybreak, I see you're new here.

You may not understand what we have going here, but it's not a free for all abuse ring, if you really feel the need to express that kind of hate, please find somewhere else to do it.




Your boy DNKYD disrespected me here first:

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So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.




So I disrepected him back.

Your shroomery vets should be fully informed on the rules too right?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6100256 - 09/25/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Earlier this year at the high school I graduated from, a senior was arrested for adding the same stuff to his heroin he was selling people. 4 people were hospitalized, and 1 of them had died for a few minutes before he was brought back. The senior awaits trial for attempted manslaughter. A lot of other people got busted as well thanks to his mouth in the interrogation chair.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6100279 - 09/25/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I want both to stay legal because they already are.





We have a term for people who wish drugs like marijuana, mushrooms, cocaine, or ecstasy would stay illegal while keeping drugs like alcohol and tobacco legal: HYPOCRITES.

It's just plain irrational and ignorant thinking to want to keep drugs illegal while being in favor of keeping tobacco and alcohol legal. Legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco do an exponential amount of damage compared to marijuana, LSD, shrooms, etc.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6101168 - 09/26/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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We have a term for people who wish drugs like marijuana, mushrooms, cocaine, or ecstasy would stay illegal while keeping drugs like alcohol and tobacco legal: HYPOCRITES.




And there's a term for people who feel they're more intelligent and superior than everyone else: ASSHOLE


You don't read too well do you?

I said:

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No, I want both to stay legal because they already are.




My point was that because those drugs already legal, making them illegal now would create more problems than they would solve.

If they were already illegal then I'd want them to stay that way, permanantly.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
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    #6102156 - 09/26/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I warned you guys to keep it civil, but you just had to keep going with this crap. I'm locking this thread down.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: veggie]
    #6102157 - 09/26/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Edit: They won't be able to see that this thread was locked because I banned everybody that was flaming from the news forum for 31 days. -Seuss

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
You guys can't keep it civilized and respect each other, so I'm closing this thread.


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