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OfflineDaybreak
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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Ego Death]
    #6095136 - 09/24/06 08:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Nice double talk, you should run for office.

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danoEoboy said:
At the moment we have;
Drugs readily available for All ages EVERYWHERE.




And legal drugs aren't?

I started drinking heavy alcohol at the age of ten, and smoking cigarettes at twelve. Meaning an already legal drug is neither undesirable nor inaccessible to minors.

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danoEoboy said:
Drugs are controlled and distributed by PROFIT based organized criminals.
The profits of such go on to fund further crime and drug production.




The mafia has controlled both alcohol and tobacco for decades and that's the largest criminal organization there is.

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danoEoboy said:
drugs are not controlled thus (as in this case) deadly mixes are sold for more profit at the cost of harming the end users.




People mix legal drugs like alcohol, beer, and wine all the time with very negative results such as alcohol poisioning, car accidents, seizures, delirium tremens, and the deadly liver disease cirrhosis.

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danoEoboy said:
Government lies and misinformation causes people to not know who or what to trust when it comes to drug education.




Wow, that's pretty convoluted. Do you have solid proof or are you just perpetuating the myth?

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danoEoboy said:
And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
a) Impure deadly mixes




People mix legal drugs like alcohol, beer, and wine all the time with very negative results such as alcohol poisioning, car accidents, seizures, delirium tremens, and the deadly liver disease cirrhosis.

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danoEoboy said:
And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
b) Dealers / pushers making new users on the street




I was introduced to both alcohol and cigarettes through marketing such as television, billboards, and magazine ads. That and word of mouth made me a "new user".

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danoEoboy said:
And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
c) Availability (local pushers gone) and desirability to the underage (doctors prescription removes novelty value)




I started drinking heavy alcohol at the age of ten, and smoking cigarettes at twelve. Meaning an already legal drug is neither undesirable nor inaccessible to minors. The only availability for alcohol or cigarettes I had was local homeowners I stoled it from.

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danoEoboy said:
In the UK more people (per head) smoke cannabis than in the Netherlands where it is legal!




That's because the UK's population is five times that of the Netherlands:

UK
Netherlands


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6095189 - 09/24/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

This was a big deal in other areas of MI too, I had a good friend whose roommate OD'd (didn't die, thank God) on this very mixture.

Fact: Heroin Is an Awesome High
Fact: Heroin can kill you.

I don't think it's the governments job to educate the masses on what a safe dose would be, or how to sterilize needles before sharing, or why hepatitis (sorry for the spelling) is a terrible disease. That's the users responsibility and in the end, harm or happiness is as well. We already live in a litigious, pass-the-buck society and I'd hate to see it get any worse. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS KEY.

I am an ex-junkie. Coke was my deal though... While I believe the government should regulate and decriminalize these drugs it shouldn't be for quality control (though that would be a great fringe benefit) it should be for pure, simple, profit. Democracy, believe it or not, is a result of capitalism, not the other way around. Not a bad system either, we just have some shitheads running things.

My 2 cents.

-Sage


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Yea maybe sometimes I do feel like shit
I aint happy about it, but I'd rather feel like shit
...than be full of shit! - Suicidal Tendencies


Edited by mrsage (09/24/06 08:54 AM)


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InvisibleDNKYD
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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6096533 - 09/24/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Daybreak said:
The mafia has controlled both alcohol and tobacco for decades and that's the largest criminal organization there is.




Prove it. Sounds like a crackpot theory to me.



By your arguments it sounds like you are in favor of making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Is this true?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6097522 - 09/25/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Legalizing heroin would pretty much end or drasticly reduce our countries opiate problem. If the government provided free heroin to junkies, much like they do with methadone, all illicit heroin would dissapear. That means there would be no new users starting the drug, or vastly less because eventually the government clinics would be the only place it is available.
Unfortunalty our government would never do it because they make way too much money on heroin. Yes, for all you patriots who don't want to believe it, our government deals heroin. It is probably the one largest profiteer in the illicit drug trade.
The very same reasons make it attractive to our government as to street dealers. Namely, money, specificly money that does not need to be accounted for. It has been exposed as fact that the CIA sold cocaine in major American cites in the 80's to fund various anti leftist groups in Latin America. This goes much deeper than this one instance.
If you look at the latest major wars we were involved in. Vietnam, Nicaragua(other L. American countries as well) and the latest Afghanistan. In the 60's Vietnam was the worlds leading producer of opium, of course cociane in L. America in the 80's and still today, and it's no secrete Afghanistan's main commercial product is opium.

All that being said, I really wish I could score some of this shit.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6099179 - 09/25/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

DNKYD said:
Quote:

Daybreak said:
The mafia has controlled both alcohol and tobacco for decades and that's the largest criminal organization there is.




Prove it. Sounds like a crackpot theory to me.




What, you've never heard of a semi loaded with cigarettes being hijacked?

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DNKYD said:
By your arguments it sounds like you are in favor of making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Is this true?




Why do you assume to know my opinion on something if I have not yet stated it?

No, I want both to stay legal because they already are.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6099446 - 09/25/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Daybreak, I see you're new here.

You may not understand what we have going here, but it's not a free for all abuse ring, if you really feel the need to express that kind of hate, please find somewhere else to do it.






PS: distribution, education, and rehabilitation are proven methods for keeping drug problems in check.

Illegalization has absolutely no long term success in drug abuse prevention. It is only useful for disrupting supply lines temporarily, until users establish their black market.


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Know your substance.
Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6099450 - 09/25/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

This thread, which was going pretty well, seems to be getting way off course here. I whole heartedly encourage debate, but let's try and keep things in perspective here please. If you have a disagreement with a statement made by another person, state your disagreement, but please try and be courteous about it.

I would hate to lock this thread because a few people can't seem to get along. Thank you in advance for keeping things under control. Please continue this discussion.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6099649 - 09/25/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ExplosiveMango said:
Daybreak, I see you're new here.

You may not understand what we have going here, but it's not a free for all abuse ring, if you really feel the need to express that kind of hate, please find somewhere else to do it.




Your boy DNKYD disrespected me here first:

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DNKYD said:
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Daybreak said:
So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.




So I disrepected him back.

Your shroomery vets should be fully informed on the rules too right?


Edited by Daybreak (09/25/06 11:44 PM)


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6100256 - 09/25/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Earlier this year at the high school I graduated from, a senior was arrested for adding the same stuff to his heroin he was selling people. 4 people were hospitalized, and 1 of them had died for a few minutes before he was brought back. The senior awaits trial for attempted manslaughter. A lot of other people got busted as well thanks to his mouth in the interrogation chair.


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InvisibleDNKYD
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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6100279 - 09/25/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Daybreak said:
No, I want both to stay legal because they already are.





We have a term for people who wish drugs like marijuana, mushrooms, cocaine, or ecstasy would stay illegal while keeping drugs like alcohol and tobacco legal: HYPOCRITES.

It's just plain irrational and ignorant thinking to want to keep drugs illegal while being in favor of keeping tobacco and alcohol legal. Legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco do an exponential amount of damage compared to marijuana, LSD, shrooms, etc.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6101168 - 09/26/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

DNKYD said:
We have a term for people who wish drugs like marijuana, mushrooms, cocaine, or ecstasy would stay illegal while keeping drugs like alcohol and tobacco legal: HYPOCRITES.




And there's a term for people who feel they're more intelligent and superior than everyone else: ASSHOLE


You don't read too well do you?

I said:

Quote:

Daybreak said:
No, I want both to stay legal because they already are.




My point was that because those drugs already legal, making them illegal now would create more problems than they would solve.

If they were already illegal then I'd want them to stay that way, permanantly.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6101707 - 09/26/06 04:47 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6102156 - 09/26/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I warned you guys to keep it civil, but you just had to keep going with this crap. I'm locking this thread down.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: veggie]
    #6102157 - 09/26/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Edit: They won't be able to see that this thread was locked because I banned everybody that was flaming from the news forum for 31 days. -Seuss

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
You guys can't keep it civilized and respect each other, so I'm closing this thread.


Edited by Seuss (09/26/06 09:00 AM)


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