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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6089586 - 09/22/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state




So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




You're missing his point completely. Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

What Odium is saying is that if this substance were legal it would be regulated so that no other ingredients would make their way into the end product. The cocktail that these poor schleps took was heroin AND fentanyl (read the article). With regulation there would be no fentanyl in their heroin and they would have lived to shoot up another day.
Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.




Shutup queer.

You're probably one of them dirty hippys that think a shit drug like heroin should be legalized.




In a truly free society no drug can be off limits. It's not the government's responsibility to ensure heroin users are using responsibly. It's the job of the heroin user. Do I think heroin is a good drug that brings people together and gives a positive experience? Hell no. Do I think a human's right to use heroin should be taken away just because they can't use responsibly? Hell no.

And if you want to use unnecessary insults you can take those and your half-assed arguments elsewhere.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6089665 - 09/22/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yo this bitch OD in the passenger seat of my car when she got that fental stamped H2...all she sniffed was a corner of a bag...she was straight nodding out...and all I tought about was what a turn off seeing someone nod that bad...Then bam we stopped and she got out of the car did 2 spins then face plant...all these people were looking I put her back in the car and smacked her a couple times and she wouldn't wake up...luckily the hospital was right down the street...she surived...but damb this shit is straight leathal...it all happened in like 10 mins


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6091027 - 09/22/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Daybreak said:
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Odiumjunkie said:
this is nothing to do with heroin, and everything to do with it's manufacture and sale not being regulated by the state




So you're saying that the mixture of hard drugs that caused the 20 deaths is the fault of the state for not suppplying that same mixture?




You're missing his point completely. Take a second and think real hard about it (even if it hurts).

What Odium is saying is that if this substance were legal it would be regulated so that no other ingredients would make their way into the end product. The cocktail that these poor schleps took was heroin AND fentanyl (read the article). With regulation there would be no fentanyl in their heroin and they would have lived to shoot up another day.
Think before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Or don't. I enjoy shooting down stupid arguments such as yours.




Shutup queer.

You're probably one of them dirty hippys that think a shit drug like heroin should be legalized.




In a truly free society no drug can be off limits. It's not the government's responsibility to ensure heroin users are using responsibly. It's the job of the heroin user. Do I think heroin is a good drug that brings people together and gives a positive experience? Hell no. Do I think a human's right to use heroin should be taken away just because they can't use responsibly? Hell no.

And if you want to use unnecessary insults you can take those and your half-assed arguments elsewhere.




Ok, here's my argument: you're a fag.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091069 - 09/22/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

What the fuck is wrong with idiots like daybreak, and EquilibriuM.. If people are going to fucking do heroin, they are OBVIOUSLY going to do it, what the fuck ever the laws are against it. ATLEAST if the drug was LEGAL we could regulate it and PEOPLE WOULDNT DIE FROM BAD HITS. And WTF is wrong with you (all), but whoever said "People who do H could give less than a fuck about their health. They know the risk. If you do heroine you are flirting with death" Seriously.. people use drugs as a way to excape reality.. if someone really wants to die, they need help.. not people to fucking blow them off. And people going to those levels to excape the pain of LIVING, NEED help.


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Make drugs legal, or alcohol and tobacco illegal. Either way it's more fair.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: MustNotBe]
    #6091168 - 09/22/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, who let the homo in?


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091277 - 09/22/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Let's try and stay on topic here people. If there is any more flaming, I will lock this thread. Please try and keep it civilized. Thank you.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: MustNotBe]
    #6091435 - 09/22/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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ATLEAST if the drug was LEGAL we could regulate it and PEOPLE WOULDNT DIE FROM BAD HITS.




So what about alcohol and cigarettes? Both are legal, both are regulated by the government, and both kill people ALL THE FUCKING TIME.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091455 - 09/22/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I actually don't give a fuck what anyone does with their lives. As long as it doesn't interfere with my life, have at it.

My problem is with those that try to shift responsibility somewhere other than where it belongs: the individual that made the willful decision in the first place.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6091553 - 09/22/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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ATLEAST if the drug was LEGAL we could regulate it and PEOPLE WOULDNT DIE FROM BAD HITS.




So what about alcohol and cigarettes? Both are legal, both are regulated by the government, and both kill people ALL THE FUCKING TIME.




People that drink alchol are killed from driving drunk. That is their *own* judgement. And if they die from it then so be it, I hope they enjoyed their life. But what you are saying is that people deserve to die from drinking alcohol, just drinking it. Of course most people are "responsible" drinkers, and don't go kill themselves. And when you say that people that are in the most general sense of the term "responsible" users of heroin, then they too should not have to worry about getting a bad hit. Its just not fair their government killed them by protecting them. Seen IRobot?


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"Hallucinations are something heroin users are not at all accustomed to," said Const. Conor King, Victoria police drug expert. "They react like you or I would react if we took Aspirin and all of a sudden the TV got up and started walking across the room."
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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: MustNotBe]
    #6093576 - 09/23/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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People that drink alchol are killed from driving drunk.




Uh, ever heard of alcohol poisoning?

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But what you are saying is that people deserve to die from drinking alcohol, just drinking it.




Are you dumb or just stupid? I never said that anywhere, at anytime.

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when you say that people that are in the most general sense of the term "responsible" users of heroin, then they too should not have to worry about getting a bad hit.




I said everyone is responsible for their own actions, not that heroin users are responsible individuals. Try following sentence structure.

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Its just not fair their government killed them by protecting them.




You're joking right? Noone can be that dumb so you must be joking.

People that start using heroin know full well what they're getting into, be it by the stigma heroin carries, or simple common sense. It's noones fault but their own if they die by overdosing. Blame the bad hit's on their dealers.

I lived in a house full of heroin addicts and it's not a pretty sight. A whole country of heroin addicts nodding off all over the place would not be a good thing.

You're probably young, like late teens to early twenties because your ignorance screams loud and proud. If the planet were under your control we'd all be doomed for sure.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093587 - 09/23/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I knew it.

your myspace page says you're seventeen.

Keep on thinking you know it all kid. One day you'll have a serious crash with reality and it won't be pretty.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093876 - 09/23/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Daybreak said:
I actually don't give a fuck what anyone does with their lives. As long as it doesn't interfere with my life, have at it.





Good. We seem to be on the same page.

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My problem is with those that try to shift responsibility somewhere other than where it belongs: the individual that made the willful decision in the first place.




I never tried to "shift responsibility". I am a firm believer of personal responsibility and common sense. Unfortunately this country seems to be short on both these days.
I am just pointing out another responsible party in this situation. The federal government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot put into our bodies. They are responsible for the public not having safe and regulated access to our substances of choice. In turn this is what makes them partly responsible for the deaths of these 12 Americans, and many, many more. At the same time all drug users have an obligation to be responsible enough with their use so they do not infringe on anybody's Constitutional rights.

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A whole country of heroin addicts nodding off all over the place would not be a good thing.





Where do you pull this from? If heroin were legalized tomorrow do you think every single person in the country would go out and try it? Sounds a bit far fetched to me. I can't think of a single person that would try heroin, even if it were legal and safely accessible. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal and safely accessible.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093914 - 09/23/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Keep on thinking you know it all kid. One day you'll have a serious crash with reality and it won't be pretty.




I was just saying your insensitive to the people that died. And when you said "ever heard of alcohol poisoning" That is completely different.. That is overdose, in contrary to one shot killing you, as in it being "poisonous"

and I had my crash with reality, I was arrest for 3 felonies for hacking some random computers, and a government server. But I'd not saying I'm smart, don't get my wrong.. I'm not. But I'm just got off probation. this is off topic but w/e


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Make drugs legal, or alcohol and tobacco illegal. Either way it's more fair.


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    #6093931 - 09/23/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6093961 - 09/23/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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The federal government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot put into our bodies.




Alright then, we do agree on something.

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If heroin were legalized tomorrow do you think every single person in the country would go out and try it? Sounds a bit far fetched to me. I can't think of a single person that would try heroin, even if it were legal and safely accessible. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal and safely accessible.




Noone really knows until it's tried. I'm guessing it would be bigtime.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6094001 - 09/23/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You don't have to DO a drug in order to know its effects on not only the user but those around the user (friends, family). Just like you I've seen peoples lives destroyed by doing stupid shit with drugs like heroin. They weren't being responsible.
Your notion that everyone and their brother would go out and do (insert drug's name here) the day it is legalized is on par with the propagandists' way of thinking.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6094282 - 09/23/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Bottom line is the government will never legalize heroin so it's pointless to debate it.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6094316 - 09/23/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

It's defeatist attitudes like yours that undermind legalization movements.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: DNKYD]
    #6094918 - 09/24/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Haha, dude, I don't want heroin legalized so that "defeatist attitude" is a positive in my favor. I couldn't care less what you want. Take a bath or something and drop it already.


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Re: 12 drug deaths in 2 days in Wayne County [MI] [Re: Daybreak]
    #6095030 - 09/24/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

At the moment we have;
1. Drugs readily available for All ages EVERYWHERE.
2. Drugs are controlled and distributed by PROFIT based organized criminals.
3. The profits of such go on to fund further crime and drug production.
4. The drugs are not controlled thus (as in this case) deadly mixes are sold for more profit at the cost of harming the end users.
5. Government lies and misinformation causes people to not know who or what to trust when it comes to drug education.

And thus the known solutions;
1. Legalize all drugs and make available by doctors prescription; This prevents
a) Impure deadly mixes
b) Dealers / pushers making new users on the street
c) Availability (local pushers gone) and desirability to the underage (doctors prescription removes novelty value)


Give people back their freedom to choose and educate them honestly - this is the way forward.

Other wise it will be done behind there backs as it is now.


In the UK more people (per head) smoke cannabis than in the Netherlands where it is legal!


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