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whythewho
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sativa - indica and breeding
#5650930 - 05/19/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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so i started a few plants from bagseed this year, i know most of the gurus look down on this practice, but, i did it anyways, partly for the hell of it, partly because i think bagseed should be a source of useful genetics, normally just tossed to the side. my questions have to do with indica and sativa. How would one tell an indica pureblood for example, from a hybrid? is this possible for the amatuer, or is it all scientific and big words? I am growing a mix of plants, some have the thinner, sativa leaves, and others have thick, indica leaves. They are likely all crosses. I was wondering though if it would be feasible to breed my most indica-dominant strains together over the years and come up with something as dank as what i hear the purebreeds are. Is it possible to purify my genetics like this? taking the shorter bushier plants with thick leaves and thick buds and breeding them with like plants, eliminating sativa-like genes over the seasons. Mostly im just interested in supplying something of use to the cannabis gene-pool, or breeding something that most modern (indoor) breeders havent come across. there are some pics of leaves here, am i correct in titling the thinner leaves sativa dominant and the fatter ones indica? opionions, rambles, stoners, all welcome.

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Re: sativa - indica and breeding [Re: whythewho]
#5651691 - 05/19/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well your basic thoughts are correct; skinny leaves = Sativa, you could breed out the sativa phenotypes of your bag seed, and end up with some dank ass indica, but why?
I believe that cannabis started out as one plant, then branched off into its three (well actually 4) variations today; Sativa, Indica, Ruderalis (& ABC Australian Bastard Cannabis) There are plenty of pure indica, that have been bred in the cultivated wilds of Afghanistan & etc. If your interested in helping the community, look up the strain lowrider (it auto-flowers, regardless of light cycles), and try to cross it with a <insert strain here> to create a <insert idea here>
I'm not sure the classification of the ABC bud, and I read that might be just a recessive allele. You could also look into a strain called 'Ducksfoot'. I have not heard or read anything about it in a few years, but its leaf structure is not normal, making it inconspicuous
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Re: sativa - indica and breeding [Re: whythewho]
#5651748 - 05/19/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well you can get it kind of cleaned up but never a pure strain once crossed and working wih only crosses. You can pin down traits you like though which is in most more important.
Damn I really need another hobby but ducksfoot was a clone only strain in Aus that was crossed into a sativa then backcrossed into the original ducksfoot till it's form today which is 97% indica. Now the ABC weed is most likely a Sativa or hemp varietey since it's not a native plant to the reagon it has to fall into the Indica, Ruderalis, Sativa varites. (Hemp varites are a sativa pheno) Then there is a variety called Afganica which is pure afghani's only problem with this variety is the breeders can't decide if it deserves it's own class or just a variety of indica (which is what I think)
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Re: sativa - indica and breeding [Re: Magash]
#5651910 - 05/19/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: sativa - indica and breeding [Re: Magash]
#5652380 - 05/20/06 05:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Magash said: Well you can get it kind of cleaned up but never a pure strain once crossed and working wih only crosses. You can pin down traits you like though which is in most more important.
Damn I really need another hobby but ducksfoot was a clone only strain in Aus that was crossed into a sativa then backcrossed into the original ducksfoot till it's form today which is 97% indica. Now the ABC weed is most likely a Sativa or hemp varietey since it's not a native plant to the reagon it has to fall into the Indica, Ruderalis, Sativa varites. (Hemp varites are a sativa pheno) Then there is a variety called Afganica which is pure afghani's only problem with this variety is the breeders can't decide if it deserves it's own class or just a variety of indica (which is what I think)
You dont want to forget c.rastafarian to me its like the polotics of cannabis, what do we name this and why, whats the difference?! The differentiating and conflicting scientific studys are only confusing the general tokin/growing folks. What makes a plant from thailand so psychadelic and a strain from a different climate that is more of a body stone? You say you think there was one species in the begining, if true, then any differece in growth would primarily have to do with enviromental changes, right? I hate to think what all this indoor breeding is doing to the gene pool
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Re: sativa - indica and breeding [Re: Springs]
#5652922 - 05/20/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just think that early humans carried cannabis with them as they left Africa. Thats a long time for us humans to pick the traits we wanted, and the plants to adapt to the climates they were at. So the people of Afghanistan decided they wanted short bushy resinous plants. And the people of Thailand just let that shit grow and grow. Russia is a huge country and i do not know if ruderalis is spread all over, or just in the west. I know that it grows wild in Hungary and Romania and i imagine its the best that could be done, with the given climate.
I don't have any proof of a single lineage, nor can i site any reference, but given the ability to inter-breed, and my belief in the spread of man, this is what i got.
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