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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5650935 - 05/19/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Obviously written by someone who has never taken a hallucinogen and has no fucking clue what it is that they are speaking negatively of. 
That is all that really needs to be said. 
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Right on. How does he know about past lives or any of the shit he's saying. Just another Religious snake oil salesman. They are a type of vampire IMO and they prey on ignorance.
Look to what you can substantiate in your own experience.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5650975 - 05/19/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some truth, and a lotta bullshit. Psychedelics produce effects of ego-death, we loose our attachments to material reality through ego-death and exist in our true state of pure spirit, or pretty close too. If we enter into this realm without a propper set and setting often times we thrash about in fear brining about all sorts of negative energy(thoughts) to our subtle bodies. When this happen we're prolonging our path by adding on karma. On the other hand with the right set and setting psychedelics can expedite your karma's workings(for the time being), through surrender, bhakti yoga, and it's up to you to continue the workings in your everyday life through meditation and yoga.
The noise bit has some truth. Noises cause us to focus our energy on stimuli. Over time you adapt to your environment and a condsiderable amount of energy goes towards receiving this stimuli and blocking out this stimuli so you can focus on other things. This is why sages and spiritual seekers often go to secluded caves or live in retreats. Not to just escape phsyical noise, but also the mental noise of living in a city and associating with materialists. When a materialist talks to you, and you listen and carry on a conversation you are being absrobed/absorbing much of their energy. You use your mind to understand where they are coming from in order to carry on a pleasant conversation, by doing so you are essentially merging with some of their karma. Beings of pure light are unaffected by all of this though, strive to be that being!
Yoganandas guru preached about the merits of mainting a spiritual life in a household envrionement. There is no need to forget about your societal obligations in order to pursue spiritual life. What good is enlightenment if you are only enlightened when you are inside of a monastery? Retreats are very beneficial but the ignorant man benefits from being near a noble sage.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5651020 - 05/19/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Many people ask me for the “evidence”. Consider this: every civilisation on Earth, which used drugs collapsed to nothing within a few generations.
This is evidence? Empires fall...almost every past civilization has collapsed, and all the present ones will eventually too. What data is there to support the claim that drugs are even related to this, let alone THE causal factor!?
This person has a deep personal bias against hallucinogens, clearly. There have been a number of Yogi's who have applauded the ability of drugs to raise awareness and bring about siddhis. There have also been a number of spiritualists who have decried hallucinogens because they screw with your karma or will ruin your future lives or reasons to that extent. In my personal experience, which is really all there is to go by for issues like this, psychedelics have raised my awareness and opened up vistas I had previously been oblivious to.
For some, I imagine that they could have a profoundly negative effect. That's why set and setting are so important.
I think with things like entheogens, they must be considered on an individual basis.
As an interesting aside, Patanjali does mention drugs in his Yoga Sutras, and says nothing negative about them. In fact he says they can help you with siddhis, although those are mostly a fringe benefit of Yoga.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5651026 - 05/19/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Noise = reality as it is being presented.
An inability to maintain awareness through noise = detrimental. 
The last comment amount musikk is full of bullshit as well. The dude sounds like a self-righteous jack off.
And what the fuck? Discos? Dude certainly isn't with the times... Sounds like a loser stuck at his parent's house, using his imagination to create bullshit about astral bodies in order to add substance to his meaningless life.
Anyone else have some degradation to hurl? 
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dang.... that's just fuked up.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5651629 - 05/19/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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pure bigotry
if drugs weren't good and useful, they wouldn't exist.
Its really that simple. Drugs, much like technology, exist for our benefit, and we should not feel guilty about using them as long as we keep our usage under control.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: DoctorJ]
#5651761 - 05/19/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: pure bigotry
if drugs weren't good and useful, they wouldn't exist.
Its really that simple. Drugs, much like technology, exist for our benefit, and we should not feel guilty about using them as long as we keep our usage under control.
Are guns good?
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5651778 - 05/19/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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soulcircus said: There are no shortcuts in the spiritual and conscious evolution.
are you saying there is universal truth? that there is actually a single path that humanity is "suposed" to follow?
sounds like they think theyre way is "the" way. is there then a single goal? a unified heaven?
i regret posting already as im typing, so im stopping now.
im not sure if there is any "way"
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Edited by BleaK (05/19/06 11:04 PM)
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5651788 - 05/19/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said:
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DoctorJ said: pure bigotry
if drugs weren't good and useful, they wouldn't exist.
Its really that simple. Drugs, much like technology, exist for our benefit, and we should not feel guilty about using them as long as we keep our usage under control.
Are guns good?
Just keep your usage under control. Only shoot people on the weekends. 
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5651825 - 05/19/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I own one, but I never use it
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gettinjiggywithit said: Just keep your usage under control. Only shoot people on the weekends.  .
Go git~ em' Jiggy....! 

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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5651986 - 05/20/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was being a smart ass. I agree with most of the article. The only part I disagree with is where he/she makes the damage to the auric field sound irreparable. It's not.
I saw a handful of members note "gurus" of sorts being okay with their occasional use of them to intensify a "natural ability". I bet those "gurus" also know how to prep the auric field before, a part of (set and setting)and know how to heal it up after wards if any tears or holes were made in it and how to clear out any energetic junk or parasites that may have found their way in through them.
Call all of this Bullshit if you want peeps. It's your auric field to live within.
You have Brennen's book tomcat. You saw what she sees in the fields of people who use drugs. It's a mess.
Some quickie repair maintenance techniques for those of you who use them.
Jack yourself up with the most intense feelings of unconditional love, a sense of universal oneness with all, until you are so blissed out, you blast away any parasite that may have slipped in. They CAN'T tolerate that vibration as they are only comfortable in negativity which they will start feeding you negative thoughts to think to provide the food for them if you don't get rid of them.
Next, set yourself in a violet flame to burn off any impure or toxic residual energy.
Finally, repair holes and tears by filling your field back up with a white golden light generated from out of your heart chakra. Just visualize it all and affirm what it is you are doing it for.
That's it. Will only take a minute or two that can make a HUGE difference if your care about the health of the auric field that supports your physical bodies life vitality.
Even if you don't use drugs or drink, this is good daily maintenance to run anyway as other factors can rip our fields to shreds and allow them to become polluted and infested.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5652628 - 05/20/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I will buy into some pretty weird shit, but the premise of that article was pure bullshit from what I can tell. Using hallucinogens by educated and prepared adults is not harmful and very often spiritually helpful. Please tell me how to measure the quality of the so called "astral body". The dreaming body is a construction of the mind and based on self image as far as I can tell from my experience.
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Sure junkies and crack heads have fuckup auras....
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5652782 - 05/20/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can't measure an aura. Junkies and crack heads have bad health, but this post was addressing hallucinogens more than any other type drug. Paranormal fear mongering is really lame.
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You cant measure it, but you can see it. And I'm saying that drug addicts have fucked up auras. Not necessary because of the drugs but maybe because of the condition that caused them to turn to drugs in the first place. "this post was addressing hallucinogens" but if you read it, he wasn't really differentiating, sure he mentioned hallucinogens but then he went on to say 'people who use drugs, this and people who use drugs that and societies who use drugs this blah blah blah.' Obviously too uninformed to know the difference.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5652816 - 05/20/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Obviously too uninformed to know the difference." Exactly. It was irrational garbage. There was a political agenda behind that weak attempt at a post.
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I agree. propaganda. And he acts like the aura isn't constantly changing...
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5652829 - 05/20/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'll give you some aura Dora,
Right here on the floora.
Do you want some mora.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: Icelander]
#5652841 - 05/20/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5653213 - 05/20/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: Icelander]
#5653219 - 05/20/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5653220 - 05/20/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is that you?
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LOLLOLLOL!
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5653264 - 05/20/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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All one. Thou art that. He is we.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: Icelander]
#5653286 - 05/20/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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A reflection of we indeed.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: theuser]
#5653518 - 05/20/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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drugs must be respected, but you cant just damage your astral body, its not possible, i mean its a non physical vessel, the worst you can do is hamper your ability to ap (or disconnect) because you have used drugs as a crutch to do it (ive done that)
but that simply takes time to fix, its not really a problem imo
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5653763 - 05/20/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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this post manages to make a lot of claims about this and that without offering any supporting evidence. if there was some actual evidence that the "astral body" is harmed by drugs and noise, or that it even exists at all, this might be more than a bunch of new-agey babble.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
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I have held long and exhausting discussions with people who used hallucinogenic drugs. Nearly all of them were impressed by “visions”, “trips” or “hallucinations” and argued that drugs help them to increase their awareness. Actually, nothing can be further from the truth than such a statement. The ability of Astral travel is a natural ability and every child can do it. There is absolutely no need to use drugs. All you need is to learn meditation, concentration and practice them everyday.
hes right about that. meditation is alot better then drugs to increase awareness. you really can fry yourself.
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Thanks for your expert opinion. I'm sure it applies to everyone.
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I have held long and exhausting discussions with people who used hallucinogenic drugs. Nearly all of them were impressed by “visions”, “trips” or “hallucinations” and argued that drugs help them to increase their awareness. Actually, nothing can be further from the truth than such a statement. The ability of Astral travel is a natural ability and every child can do it. There is absolutely no need to use drugs. All you need is to learn meditation, concentration and practice them everyday.
hes right about that. meditation is alot better then drugs to increase awareness. you really can fry yourself.
Don't overly abuse drugs then.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: theuser]
#5654281 - 05/20/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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soulcircus: "Proof that the astral body exists lies in those who can seperate it from their physical body, i didn't beleive in it or spirituality before it happened to me."
I think the only thing your statement is proof of is that you either don't know what your talking about or you have a political agenda to preach to...probably the second of the two.
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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (05/20/06 07:17 PM)
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"hes right about that. meditation is alot better then drugs to increase awareness. you really can fry yourself."
If hallucinogens can fry a person then I would be fried. I have had near a thousand hallucinogenic experiences in my life...most at staggering doses. I am college educated, have a job that requires mental acuity, I am in good health, and my memory and judgement is top notch. Where have I been fried? This whole subject is propoganda.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5654831 - 05/20/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The true danger of drugs, is that you will end up like this guy, dazed and confused.
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: justamonkey]
#5655375 - 05/21/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah try meditation while tripping, that will blow your fuckin mind. I understand some things this guy was saying but don't quite agree. Some of the quietest moments I've had were on a trip, things I've learned of the past were erased but the things erased were the things holding me back to be a better person. There is a thin line where drugs become something of a enlightening experience to where they become a problem. If you abuse any thing it will come back to bite you in the ass, that goes for almost any thing in life. To say that drugs caused great cultures of the world to crash and forget all knowledge is a bit to presumptuous and that would have to mean every one took drugs, but I don't know they didn't so there can never be a clear answer on that. The fact remains for me that hallucinogens have helped me and at the same time harmed me, I've been saved and scared, but both I'm happy to have because now I know better and am better off.
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Huehuecoyotl said: This whole subject is propoganda.
Exactly, and it is fucking lousy propaganda at that.
I mean, those stupid commmercials might actually have some effect at scaring the hell out of children. You know, themes like "If you do drugs, you will high dive into a pool that has no water in it". Stupid shit like that. 
All we here is that "Doing drugs and going to a disco ( ) ruins your astral body". Thanks for the tip, Captain Obvious! We all knew that one already! Don't you realize that your astral body should be destroyed? 

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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: Chill808]
#5655665 - 05/21/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Ah try meditation while tripping, that will blow your fuckin mind." Try fly fishing while tripping, that will blow your fuckin mind.
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"Ah try meditation while tripping, that will blow your fuckin mind." Try fly fishing while tripping, that will blow your fuckin mind
Do the fish ever ask to be put back?
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: UnderNose]
#5655787 - 05/21/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I usually fish only catch and release, but I have no aversion to killing them if they are to be eaten. My point was that meditation is just an activity...just a fishing is. A hallucinogen will not enhance it any more than any other activity. Meditating on hallucinogens, though, is actually somewhat less productive than fishing. The mind should be clear for proper meditation.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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KidgardFromSRQ
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let me ask you all something, if you could be just as aware of the world around you with out drugs, would you still take drugs?
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KidgardFromSRQ said: let me ask you all something, if you could be just as aware of the world around you with out drugs, would you still take drugs?
If one could be just as aware of the world around one without playing guitar, would you still play guitar?
 Peace.
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Huehuecoyotl
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"let me ask you all something, if you could be just as aware of the world around you with out drugs, would you still take drugs?"
I am quite aware without entheogens. I consider myself "awake" in the most acute sense. Drugs do not wake you up. They can alert you to the fact that there is something to awaken to, but once you are awake you need concious effort to stay that way. There are also other ways to become aware of this fact as well. Now, seeing that I don't need drugs to be aware...my answer to your question is that I find value in the entheogenic experience.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Deviate
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Huehuecoyotl said: I usually fish only catch and release, but I have no aversion to killing them if they are to be eaten. My point was that meditation is just an activity...just a fishing is. A hallucinogen will not enhance it any more than any other activity. Meditating on hallucinogens, though, is actually somewhat less productive than fishing. The mind should be clear for proper meditation.
while i agree that the mind should be clear for meditation, hallucinogens do seem to enhance certain activities more than others. or rather, certain activities are much more enjoyable/mind blowing than others.
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mr_kite
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5657063 - 05/21/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This guy is quite the egyptologist...
For example, in ancient Egypt 17,000 years ago people constructed a Great Pyramid from @50 tonne solid stone blocks. The Great Pyramid is comparable in height to the highest 20-th century buildings (146 m), and even today is positively impossible to build anything similar, using any amount of money and time. But when their descendants started using drugs, not only did they lose all their knowledge and all their sciences, but no one actually remembers what the Great Pyramid was for. Today “scientists” can only wonder. The entire civilisation decayed to nothing.
no one actually remembers what the Great Pyramid was for. Today “scientists” can only wonder.
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KidgardFromSRQ
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Huehuecoyotl said: "let me ask you all something, if you could be just as aware of the world around you with out drugs, would you still take drugs?"
I am quite aware without entheogens. I consider myself "awake" in the most acute sense. Drugs do not wake you up. They can alert you to the fact that there is something to awaken to, but once you are awake you need concious effort to stay that way. There are also other ways to become aware of this fact as well. Now, seeing that I don't need drugs to be aware...my answer to your question is that I find value in the entheogenic experience.
what value is it you find?
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Andy21
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Do people actually go to the Disco anymore? I would love it if we all went to a Disco and we could dance like in that movie footloose starring Kevin Bacon. *imagines while singing footloose*
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Huehuecoyotl
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It is a whole other dimension of experience. Ones reality is assembled around how one uses their awareness. Entheogens can be a tool (not the only one) that allows one to rapidly experience other states of awareness.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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leery11
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there are other tools as rapid or as close to rapid?
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Huehuecoyotl said: "hes right about that. meditation is alot better then drugs to increase awareness. you really can fry yourself."
If hallucinogens can fry a person then I would be fried. I have had near a thousand hallucinogenic experiences in my life...most at staggering doses. I am college educated, have a job that requires mental acuity, I am in good health, and my memory and judgement is top notch. Where have I been fried? This whole subject is propoganda.
that's not true. just one hallucinagen can fry someone. you just happen to not be fried for whatever reasons of synergy.
anyway....
I will have to say I think that drugs can indeed be quite harmful. They are a tool, this is correct to me..... but how many of us know how to use them? There is no context because all knowledge is thrust into the shadow of the law, all entheogenic culture buried and suppressed. (and if that is so, their current context is simply "break free Neo, take the red pill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes")
I think this article is false in its assertion of civiliations falling (and I read it before years ago actually which is funny)..... because all civilizations fall and I think a culture of fastfood is more damaging than a culture of entheogenic exploration.
I dare say maybe they wouldn't have been so advanced (Egypt) if not for their use of sacrament... but what authority do I have to say that?
Now the thing is...... they do dramatically and completely and sometimes totally change you. This change will affect everything that you are. If there are future lives (which I think there must be, for consciousness is very persistent and built around latent karmic impressions [this is how dreams are formed]) then what's to say that your dabbling in the hallucinagenic will not place a profound impact into how you will carry out in further lives?
What's to say it's not damaging... and at the same time... possibly liberating? Most people, in bardo, in transition to elsewhere, pull upon the mundane existence, there are CLEAR stratifications between past life memories, subconscious content, unconscious content.....
but the tripper sees that stratification and affixes dynamite to it..... he lets the well overflow and loses himself in the process (sometimes to the point of ego-death and rebirth)....
what is to say that the violent probing of uncharted waters will not mess up the process? What's to say that if we were meant to be using hallucinagens, they would be LEGAL right now? Maybe society is right?
Have you guys thought about that? Not right about jail. Right about us not needing to use them.
I pose these questions because we tend to take a stance (without proper knowledge to do so) that entheogens, are in fact, entheogens, that is.... agents of God... or otherwise benevolent tools that at best can point you on the path of enlightenment and at the worst....... make you absolutely insane (and point you on the path of hell?)
But what if we are wrong? You have to acknowladge that, generally, you do not know what it is you are doing to your brain. You have to ackonwladge that hallucinagens impact your future and your present even just marijuana does..... and in much a different way than alcohol or tobacco or mundane drugs........
and you have to acknowladge that therefore they can be damaging and there could be unseen damage.
I think some of his claims are more than reasonable. For example I can attest with good authority that smoking marijuana destroys your chi and renders the heart chakra useless, will kill you from possible cancer and at best give you a lifetime of congestion problems.
I can also tell you that cannabis can take you all the way "through" into manifestation of the clear light, because though it deplets your chi, in the process of depletion it flows rather freely as long as you do not have blockages.
I can also attest that it seems to assure that if you don't have blockages, you will in time.
I can only speculate as to what the other hallucinagens do, and as to whether cannabis has no detrimental chi effects when eaten instead of smoked.
The most interesting thing though is that....... the path society has us on is a rather hellbound one if you ask me. Consumerism..... no soul. No dream. No life. No future. No hope. Just work and die quickly from bad health.
and the path that a hallucinagen when put INTO THE COLLECTIVE SETTING OF THIS SOCIETY has is much brighter. Responsible for conversions for many into spiritual lives.... responsible for sparks of hope... freeing people from enslavement to their machines of idle and repretive entertainment... the endless suicidal mantras of a schizoid electric brain (electric brain meaning the TV + radio + advertising and their interaction with culture and humanity)....
the role of hallucinagens seems to be somewhat necessary for some people to even be initiated onto a spiritual path. I would say that even if use is detrimental, it does not seem as detrimental as life as a McDonalds eating consumer.
But it seems as if ... perhaps one perspective is... that they are only to be used to show you that you are enslaved, and once you realize that any further use is indulgence and a hinderance to true spirituality.
I do not really know anything. I just know they are tools, that you can learn things that you wouldn't normally want to learn, or think are stupid and unreal.... and the most goofy and "dumb" of concepts will suddenly come to life.
You say to a guy attached to the matrix "we're all one person man" and he says "bullshit" and laughs at his stand-up comedy because the laugh tracks tell him that it's funny.... but he doses on something and he may very well have a complete overhaul.
Can be a good thing. I buy into the "pot smokers are more peaceful than alcohol drinkers" .... I buy into that totally. Seems like pot teaches you a thing or two about tolerance, empathy... and peace. Seems like alcohol teaches you to not give a damn about anyone, including yourself, that it's okay to be self-destructive.
Seems like if entheogens ARE what people say they ARE that they WILL play a vital role in revamping this society and getting it ready for higher vibrations of enlightenment...
but clearly my experience is that they can be abused and misleading and guide you into your own fears and delusions, which not ready to see, you do not confront and fix.
and when, if seen in a natural setting, such as in a dream or meditation, would be so much more simple to overcome.
they are very sharp and double edged.
do be safe. don't assume absolutes unless you have the AUTHORITY to.... because most of us are still just humans and dont' know what we're doing, we can only gauge based upon immediate results and are largely ignorant.
I will say there is tremendous damage done, and that it is ignored..... especially from smoking cannabis (read: SMOKING!!!!!)
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CUBErt
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: soulcircus]
#5662333 - 05/22/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are mainly two things that can seriously damage the information stored in our astral body and hence hurt us for many lifetimes to come: drugs and a loud noise.
Well... I'm fucked.
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Edited by CUBErt (05/22/06 11:02 PM)
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fireworks_god
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Re: True Dangers of Drugs [Re: CUBErt]
#5663477 - 05/23/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You'd think something like an astral body would be uneffected by something as basic as a loud noise, but, nope...
My skin, on the other hand, seems to have no problem being bombarbed by loud noises... 
 Peace.
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leery11
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the astral seems to be referenced as a manifestation of the mind and any trauama your mind undergoes exists on the canvas of the astral plane.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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