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why is it that...
    #5649671 - 05/19/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

why is it that a lot of women can't seem to own up to their own behavior?


case in point:

about a week ago, I was having a drink at a bar with a few female friends.

This one chick goes: "J, you know I'm a very loyal girl. I'm not a slut."

And I was like: "Yeah, right bitch! You came onto me and basically asked me to eat you out while you had a boyfriend! Your ex-boyfriend has complained to me about you sleeping with other guys while you and he were together! How can you just sit there and lie to me like that with a smile on your face?"

and she was like: "You're crazy. None of those things ever happened. I'm insulted."

WTF??? I know what I saw and heard, and I know several people who will back it up, both men and women! You are the crazy one, bitch! The craziest women believe their own lies.


Another example:

Recently, a chick basically asked me out right in front of her boyfriend. So I called her out on it. "Why are you coming onto me in front of him? He doesn't need that, he's had a hard life already. Is that supposed to impress me, you being a slut with no concern for the feelings of those around her?"

And once again, the chick called me crazy, and denied all bad intention.

How come many women can't seem to own up to their mistakes? Why can they not take responsibility for their behavior?

man, I need to get outta Dallas. Nothing but whores here.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5649678 - 05/19/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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why is it that a lot of people can't seem to own up to their own behavior?



Because people want to protect their egos.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5649685 - 05/19/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't even have an ego


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5649690 - 05/19/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

leggo my ego


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Re: why is it that... [Re: goobler]
    #5649695 - 05/19/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

HOLY SHIT

I kept saying say in my head after reading that, and I was going to post it.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5649697 - 05/19/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
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why is it that a lot of people can't seem to own up to their own behavior?



Because people want to protect their egos.




the only reason I say women is because I have never persued a man romantically, and thus have little experience in this area.

However, I have often found that when a man fucks up, he will eventually stand up and have the balls to admit it and accept responsibility for it. I see this in men more than women. Of course, men hide, cheat lie, and try to get away with stuff too, but ultimately they almost always repent. I wish I could say the same for women.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: goobler]
    #5649698 - 05/19/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess that's what happens when you put that shit out into the universal consciousness.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5649700 - 05/19/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you never met a stubborn person or something?


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Re: why is it that... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5649703 - 05/19/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I can be quite stubborn at times.



"In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5649704 - 05/19/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
However, I have often found that when a man fucks up, he will eventually stand up and have the balls to admit it and accept responsibility for it. I see this in men more than women. Of course, men hide, cheat lie, and try to get away with stuff too, but ultimately they almost always repent. I wish I could say the same for women.



I knew this guy in High School who was a kleptomaniac. One night, when he was over at my house, this one guy's mini-disc player suddenly went missing. We can't prove it, but we all know who took it. He still hasn't fessed up.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5649749 - 05/19/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know... but it's probably the same reason a guy can cheat on his wife and still insist he has a "great" marriage. (yeah, great for him maybe... :rolleyes:)

Most people look at themselves through rose-colored glasses (boys and girls alike).  I try not to though.  I make a point to own all my wickedness.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5649756 - 05/19/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But you know... I think the whole cheating thing is blown out of proportion (especially when it's only in a gf/bf relationship). I guess I'm a little "old fashioned" in that I still think anyone not engaged is fair game (unless there's obvious life-long committment there... like you have kids and have been living together for 10 years and marriage is really just a little paper work away)


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5649812 - 05/19/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Most people look at themselves through rose-colored glasses (boys and girls alike).




oh yeah!~

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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5649839 - 05/19/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sihaya said:

Most people look at themselves through rose-colored glasses (boys and girls alike).  I try not to though.  I make a point to own all my wickedness.





very admirable. 

I have done many things I am not proud of, but still I try to be honest, and bear my burdens like a man.  Most men I know are able to do this.  How come most women seem unable or unwilling to do this? 

I truly believe that women and men are equals.  But unfortunately, that belief is in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary :nonono:


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5650044 - 05/19/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
very admirable. 

I have done many things I am not proud of, but still I try to be honest, and bear my burdens like a man.  Most men I know are able to do this.  How come most women seem unable or unwilling to do this? 

I truly believe that women and men are equals.  But unfortunately, that belief is in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary :nonono:




Ok Doctor J, read this:
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Look, I'm not saying that men are perfect, or whatever. Far from it. I'm just saying, I've spent a lot of my time studying women and interacting with them, and I know how they are. In fact, sometimes I hate knowing it. Sometimes I wish I had taken the blue pill, and never went down the rabbit hole, because now there's really no going back. I didn't want to believe these things... but how could I ever get married now? How could I ever be the chump who pays for everything and blissfully goes through life not worrying about his woman because he trusts her? Look, would you leave your dog alone with a steak? You can't hate the dog for doing what's in its nature. You can't trust a dog, BUT you can trust a dog to BE a dog. Some men are disloyal... but I could *never* trust a woman to be loyal. Some men are bad presidents...but I could *never* vote for a woman to be president. I can rarely expect a woman to regard her own promises as more important and compelling to her than the emotions she feels in the moment. She will rationalize it to herself later.




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Women don't think in terms of honor, women don't say "word is bond;" women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That's why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc.




Read the rest here man,  http://openseduction.org/get_laid/
Hopefully it will open your eyes a little.

And of course  The Ladder Theory.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5650065 - 05/19/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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HELLA_TIGHT said:
I guess that's what happens when you put that shit out into the universal consciousness.




Yeah, man, and without your ego to distinguish yourself as yourself you just tap into that collective consciousness and THAT's what happened here today, man.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #5650073 - 05/19/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am a man.

I like astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc. I am in touch with my feelings and consider them very important. However, where I differ from women is in knowing to balance my feelings with the feelings of OTHERS! For ultimately, my self is not important.

Women can realize this too. They just don't want to.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5650108 - 05/19/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe some of what that's saying.

You just have to understand the biological basis for their behavior.
Cater to it, slightly, excite it... very much.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5650136 - 05/19/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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HELLA_TIGHT said:
I don't even have an ego





...taps foot.

now I'm in no position to call people out, as I've probably just as many problems as you. but why are you all ranting on others behavior. is it really that important to talk about it online? if it really bothers you or who ever so much, then just don't assosciate yourself with people like that. people like that are stupid.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5650195 - 05/19/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Feelings are just that, feelings. I have feelings and emotions. I don't live by what I feel, I live by what I know. I always ask myself "Whats the best way to handle this situation intelligently and with common sense." I never ask myself "How do I feel about this." Feelings and emotions aid my life and make it more exciting, not run it.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #5650227 - 05/19/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you sir, are very wise


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5650925 - 05/19/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the answer to my question is as follows:

women fell first, and they fell hardest. They need the most help.

of course, men need help too. But they should be getting it from women. The sexes must understand, love, respect, and appreciate eachother. Only then will relationships be harmonious.

Do men learn bad behavior from women, or do women learn bad behavior from men?

The answer as always, is Both and Neither.

The cycle of hurt is something that every individual should take responsibility for and strive to end.

Love and service,

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Re: why is it that... [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #5651098 - 05/19/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Feelings are just that, feelings. I have feelings and emotions. I don't live by what I feel, I live by what I know. I always ask myself "Whats the best way to handle this situation intelligently and with common sense." I never ask myself "How do I feel about this." Feelings and emotions aid my life and make it more exciting, not run it.




If only that were truly posible...

The reality is that we're all run by our emotions to some degree or another. You can think all you like... you can rationalize and reason yourself into the ground, but the tricky thing about emotions is that they can affect the way you think and reason as much as they affect the way you act. The best you can do is be aware of your emotions so that you can address them and the affect they're having. You might still not have complete control over them, but at least you'll be wise to what they're doing to you.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5651158 - 05/19/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:very admirable.




Thanks :smile:

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I have done many things I am not proud of, but still I try to be honest, and bear my burdens like a man.  Most men I know are able to do this.  How come most women seem unable or unwilling to do this?




Well, I think you're wrong about this... but I understand why things might appear this way to you.  For one thing, in our society women are expected to be more virtuous than men. This is annoying and unfair.  I'll give you an example:

Married man hits on gorgeous young woman (not his wife).  He shoots, he scores... the penis-bearing crowd goes wild.  Sure, his friends will tell him "hey you shouldn't have done that..." but then as soon as his wife leaves the room, he gets a few winks and maybe even a "so how was it?"  Also... statistically, men who cheat are far more likely to be forgiven by their wives than vice versa.

Now... take the married woman who does the same.  Who's on her side?  The women call her a whore while the men either condemn her or start hitting on her ('cause, hey that means she's open for business, right?).  Either way, she loses.  No one winks or nudges her or congratulates her on "scoring" a hottie. 

And there are all kinds of these double standards.  Society sends women these conflicting messages all the time.  Men want women to be sexy and seductive but virtuous and chaste at the same time... they want women to have sex with them, but no one wants a "slut."  The bottom line is that men are just impossible to please.  One day they want their mothers, the next they want siren, the next the want the girl next store... then two days later they're picking up a stripper. 

But I could never discuss the whole issue in just one post. The point is that women might not "own" all their flaws simply because they're confused on exactly how they're supposed to be.  And also because admitting a flaw carries a much heavier burden for women.

So maybe it's just easier for you boys to admit when you're wrong because society doesn't punish you as severely when you do.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651201 - 05/19/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I understand your point of view, but here is my own:

Though women are treated harshly in some aspects of life, they are treated far less harshly than men in others. Many women are so acustomed to their easy street, they do not even know it exists.

When a cop pulls you over and doesn't give you a ticket, that is because you are a woman.

When your parents gave you more than their sons, that is because you are a woman.

When you inexiplicably get your way, that is because you are a woman.

Though society is hard on women in some ways, it is much easier on women than men in other ways. Don't be ungrateful for the advantages of your femininity. Use your powers for good and not evil. Don't take an instrument of peace and use it as a weapon of war. Otherwise, you will only hurt yourself and those you care about most.

Truly, I love women with all my heart. But it brings me great sadness to see them hurt themselves and others.

Do not fall for the greatest lie. Know what is truly real, and what is just masquerading as reality.

Often, I have wished that I were a woman. Indeed, I would be much more powerful that way. But if I were a woman, I would use my powers virtuously. For I am Virtue. But I suppose I will have to wait for death to become a woman, because sex change surgery seems wierd and unnatural to me, and I feel as though it would be going against my Higher Self, who wants me to be a man for the moment.

Know that I have an intimate understanding of the female perspective. One of the reasons I do not respect the women of this planet is that I know all their secrets, and have found many of them to be quite distasteful. Of course, the males have some pretty nasty skeletons in their closet, too. But the point is that both the male and female perspectives are equally important. No one side takes precedence over the other. remember: balance is key.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5651308 - 05/19/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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the only reason I say women is because I have never persued a man romantically




Lie.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5651316 - 05/19/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have never gotten out of a ticket in my life... and I have been pulled over MANY times.

As for the rest of the "perks" you mention, I personally don't buy it. I mean, sure it's true that attractive women get some "perks" just because they are attractive women. But as for the other 90% of the female population, they're pretty much shit out of luck. Because when men like you talk about "women" you're pretty much only referring to *attractive* women. We all know you couldn't care less about the rest of them.


And the truth is... guys only start talking like you when they can't get laid or when they've been cheated on. Guys who know how to have relationships with women and who know how to see the good through the bad and accept how their own biases might be tainting things... these guys are too busy getting their fun parts touched to complain about how this or that all women may or may not be.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5651321 - 05/19/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
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DoctorJ said:
the only reason I say women is because I have never persued a man romantically




Lie.





ROFL


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651383 - 05/19/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sihaya said:
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Pirate_Patrick said:
Feelings are just that, feelings. I have feelings and emotions. I don't live by what I feel, I live by what I know. I always ask myself "Whats the best way to handle this situation intelligently and with common sense." I never ask myself "How do I feel about this." Feelings and emotions aid my life and make it more exciting, not run it.




If only that were truly posible for women...

The reality is that we're all run by our emotions to some degree or another. You can think all you like... you can rationalize and reason yourself into the ground, but the tricky thing about emotions is that they can affect the way you think and reason as much as they affect the way you act. The best you can do is be aware of your emotions so that you can address them and the affect they're having. You might still not have complete control over them, but at least you'll be wise to what they're doing to you.




women act on their emotions and feelings constantly unlike most men. Its no wonder you think that it is impossible, you've been a woman your whole life.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: d33p]
    #5651403 - 05/19/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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d33p said:
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Sihaya said:
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Feelings are just that, feelings. I have feelings and emotions. I don't live by what I feel, I live by what I know. I always ask myself "Whats the best way to handle this situation intelligently and with common sense." I never ask myself "How do I feel about this." Feelings and emotions aid my life and make it more exciting, not run it.




If only that were truly posible for women...

The reality is that we're all run by our emotions to some degree or another. You can think all you like... you can rationalize and reason yourself into the ground, but the tricky thing about emotions is that they can affect the way you think and reason as much as they affect the way you act. The best you can do is be aware of your emotions so that you can address them and the affect they're having. You might still not have complete control over them, but at least you'll be wise to what they're doing to you.




women act on their emotions and feelings constantly unlike most men. Its no wonder you think that it is impossible, you've been a woman your whole life.




What he said. Women have larger limbic systems than men.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651421 - 05/19/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never gotten out of a ticket in my life... and I have been pulled over MANY times.

As for the rest of the "perks" you mention, I personally don't buy it. I mean, sure it's true that attractive women get some "perks" just because they are attractive women. But as for the other 90% of the female population, they're pretty much shit out of luck. Because when men like you talk about "women" you're pretty much only referring to *attractive* women. We all know you couldn't care less about the rest of them.


And the truth is... guys only start talking like you when they can't get laid or when they've been cheated on. Guys who know how to have relationships with women and who know how to see the good through the bad and accept how their own biases might be tainting things... these guys are too busy getting their fun parts touched to complain about how this or that all women may or may not be.




Once again, you have misjudged me. The plight of the ugly woman is the same plight as mine, for I am a skinny, short man. Both of us are exactly the opposite of what the opposite sex typically wants. Their lot in life is mine as well, and my heart goes out to them, for we are on the same arduous path.

Let me ask you something. At your job, do they expect you to do heavy lifting? Are certain jokes not allowed to be told around you because they might offend you?

Both men and women have privelege. The point is to appreciate it and not abuse it. We could all do better in this regard.

And though attractive women do get more perks than ugly women, all women get perks from their femininity. If you are not aware of yours, you are simply ungrateful for the gifts that God has given you, and disrespectful of the responsibilities that come with those gifts.


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651427 - 05/19/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sihaya said:
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RandalFlagg said:
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DoctorJ said:
the only reason I say women is because I have never persued a man romantically




Lie.





ROFL




yeah thats right, I'm gay because I don't want you.  Me not wanting you is my problem, not yours :rolleyes:

whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart :tongue:


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5651501 - 05/19/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

many people have asked me why I do not go after an ugly girl. 

my response:  "We can both do a lot better."  :wink:

I want the ugly girl to get the stallion she deserves, so that I may have the vixen I deserve.  :smile:


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5651553 - 05/19/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: why is it that... [Re: adamj]
    #5651582 - 05/19/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651583 - 05/19/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

get over yourself, honey

come down off that high horse of yours and see me some time :smile:


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651607 - 05/19/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sihaya said:
LOL You guys are too much. The best part is... if you met me in a bar you'd be tripping over yourselves to buy me a drink with one hand while the other was down your pants.



Unfortunately you just negated all your earlier arguments with this one arrogant statement. So you consider yourself to be some "hottie" who all the guys fawn over? You are exactly the kind of woman that turns me off in a bar. And just for the record, I don't ever buy a drink for a stranger, male or female. You can buy your own damn drinks until we get to know each other!


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651608 - 05/19/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sihaya said:
LOL  You guys are too much.  The best part is... if you met me in a bar you'd be tripping over yourselves to buy me a drink with one hand while the other was down your pants.




Well we kinda have to approach you that way. Becuase if an honest nice guy came up and wanted to get to know you, you'd blow him off because he  isn't good enough for you. You'd maybe even give the ol "no confidence" excuse :thumbdown: cheers babe


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Re: why is it that... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5651661 - 05/19/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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man, I need to get outta Dallas. Nothing but whores here.




Uhm yeh its not just Dallas...dont come to my town


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Re: why is it that... [Re: Sihaya]
    #5651951 - 05/19/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Feelings are just that, feelings. I have feelings and emotions. I don't live by what I feel, I live by what I know. I always ask myself "Whats the best way to handle this situation intelligently and with common sense." I never ask myself "How do I feel about this." Feelings and emotions aid my life and make it more exciting, not run it.




If only that were truly posible...

The reality is that we're all run by our emotions to some degree or another. You can think all you like... you can rationalize and reason yourself into the ground, but the tricky thing about emotions is that they can affect the way you think and reason as much as they affect the way you act. The best you can do is be aware of your emotions so that you can address them and the affect they're having. You might still not have complete control over them, but at least you'll be wise to what they're doing to you.




Sorry sweetheart. You must be confusing me with most women. I never let my emotions dictate to me how I act.


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