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Afroshroomerican
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HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers.
#5649180 - 05/19/06 05:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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For those who don't know much on HPPD and would like to read:
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/hppd/hppd.shtml
Summary: HPPD or Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder is a mental illness in which there are changes (varying from mild to extreme) in visual perception after the Hallucinogen is fully metabolized and no longer in the body.
It seems it's mainly tied in with LSD (I'm guessing since that's more visual) and I haven't seen any direct reports from boomers. However, some people report extreme constant visual disturbances (ranging from color shifts of objects to changes in apparent size of objects).
Experiments suggest that perception deteriorates after every trip. However, such disturbances sometimes go unnoticed because they are slight. Yet some others report HPPD symptoms even after a trip.
So I guess higher level trips (4/5) with heavy visuals seem less appetizing if this is the case.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#5649198 - 05/19/06 06:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have my doubts as to whether it exists at all but I'm sure that 99.9% of those that worry about having it are just being drama queens.
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Afroshroomerican
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#5649252 - 05/19/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL reading some of the things on erowid, it seems like that's the case largely.
"I think I have HPPD from this dank I smoked. I dunno I'm just permanently friend now"
I about died when I saw some weed tokers in the HPPD section LOL
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badchad
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#5649264 - 05/19/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Although it's rare, and no one seems to know why or how it's caused; there seem to be very well documented cases of HPPD. Definetly a real phenomenon.
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Afroshroomerican
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
#5649281 - 05/19/06 07:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well then again you have to look at the fact that these drugs aren't fully understood yet.
And yet they have such MAJOR psychoactive effects. I mean totally ripping your fabric of reality.
So maybe these drugs aren't so harmless. Seems to be mainly LSD related tho. So I'll just stay away from that.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#5649297 - 05/19/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its true and not just a scare tactic.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: kaniz]
#5649358 - 05/19/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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its true...I have it. Not really a big deal, but I have permanent tracers on everything that moves, and I also get some crazy visual distortions...sometimes its worse than others. Designs and patterns always move, even when i stare directly at them.
I first noticed the effects after a few large quantity LSD trips a few years ago, and they got worse after my use of 2ci. Not really a bother, I actually find it quite cool. Free visuals without the drugs! Its not like its to the point where I cant discern if something is real or not.
Ill just be sitting around staring at something and bust out laughing just because ill be seeing some crazy random shit swirling around on a white wall.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: dedjam]
#5649368 - 05/19/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think its the real deal - thankfully im as clear headed today as I was many mushrooms and tabs ago - but it does seem to happen to some people. During a heavy period of tripping I did notice some weird visual changes - but these actually turned out to be the aura before migraine headaches
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#5649421 - 05/19/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Back in the fall quarter I had a drugs alcohol and tobacco class. We watched a video where this lady interviewed a man who had permanently lossed his vision due to FREQUENT LSD use. This guy had probably taken like 400 hits a year or something totally insane. When the reporter asked him what he saw when he looked at her, he replied by saying all he could ever see was millions of little dots all different colors. It was pretty freaky stuff, but i'm not really worried about it happening to me
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: KingSpade]
#5649581 - 05/19/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe it exists I knew a user who was spreading the word on hppd...he had constant melting and morphing and other complicated detailed visuals distinct to lsd...his description of the visuals was what I would expect and he just didn't seem like he was lying to me...and theres a community of ppl with this...so I def think its real...do I think its common? nope...I'm under the feeling at this point if u've tripped many times and have no obvious residual visuals its probably not gonna happen...also it may have something to do with using a lot of lsd(or mushrooms or mescaline I'm sure) at a young age when the brain is still developing...I believe this user I'm refering too was around 14-16 when he used massive amounts of lsd
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5649691 - 05/19/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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While it's real, extreme cases seem to be rare (extreme being it interferes with the person's daily life). For the most part though it's not harmful and does seem to improve or even go away after you stop using the drugs.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: StickyWater]
#5650416 - 05/19/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have had light HPPD-like visual and aural effects since before I started doing drugs but pot and hallucinogens make it more noticable. It's only annoying sometimes.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: StickyWater]
#5650431 - 05/19/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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from my experiance and the degree I have visual changes I feel that psychedelics just make you process the world A bit diffrently. difrent engery patterns other planes of existance. most patterns and wood grains stuff like that just sorta shifts around for me other visual changes that were not there before. but I also have a strange experiance of feeling like they were always there just sort of not tuned into. but thats all I know about from experiance directly other than that is web zone has taught me all I know about it.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5650466 - 05/19/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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visual distortions are normal, we all have them to some degree, we just usually don't notice them.
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thedudenj
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5650469 - 05/19/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah man its very true its the in workings of your brain being displayed to you specially when people see them before the go to sleep the brain naturally will pulsate colours to induce sleep and make it so you dont actually see them but subconsciously do therefore inducing sleep by taking these drugs you open up your subconscious and make it one with your conscious mind
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: thedudenj]
#5650493 - 05/19/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow, that scares me.
is it an issue for someone tripping on mushrooms about once a year?
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: GSxx83]
#5650559 - 05/19/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, it's not something I'd worry about.
Wiccan_Seeker has it.
I'm sick of two things.
1.) Thing number one is the bastards trying to make it seem more common than it is. Seems like a new trend, as HPPD as a diagnosable disorder is new as well. It must be relieving after the years of *completely* unfounded propaganda to actually have something based on fact. I have a feeling we'll see more of these.
2.) Second thing: The dipshits. These are people who like to think that while psychedelic drugs won't give them mega-cancer and explosive diarrhea (usually) they are 110%, completely, and ridiculously safe. Some of these people think that anything that comes from the dirt like mushrooms, pot (and datura) is safe because the Earth Mother, or old white guy with a beard provided it to them. I call these the psychereligious freaks, even those who consider themselves atheists. If pure psilocybin is satan because a man in a white coat made it, but mushrooms are wonderful because they popped out of poo, you need to examine your values closely.
Others who don't focus on the natural element often think that most serotonin based psychedelic drugs are safe. In comparison with the frequent lies the media gives us, yes... they are quite safe. But in response to these lies, much of our community strikes back with understating the risks. You know how DARE loses respect by lying? How a kid might not trust DARE's decision about cocaine because they were obviously lying about the pot? It works on both sides of the fence. Be honest, let your agenda rest for a moment. If it was an honorable one in the first place, it should still be well protected enough to stand its ground.
It really disgusts me (the last time I ranted about this was one case) when someone will come to the board with a serious problem, obviously the result of psychedelics and be dismissed as a troll. Forum trolls exist, yes. But in the case of a serious matter, wouldn't you rather take the chance of being fooled by some kid about a fake problem (something you'll likely forget in about in a matter of minutes) than refuse help to someone who possible (if even marginally) might have this problem? Even worse is when people do it as a defense mechanism to protect the idea that they can trip as much as they want and be healthy as ever. Again, if you're guilty of this, you need to seriously examine your values.
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: soulcircus]
#5651514 - 05/19/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hppd would make me paranoid...I'm not saying u should be if u have it I just know me and its a good thing I don't get residual visuals
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5651524 - 05/19/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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IT IS DEFINATLY TRUE, I HAVE IT, SO I KNOW. i will occasionally see waves on walls, and get color "splashes" on my vision while trying to sleep(in pitch black) it can get annoyign while trying to sleep. although i tend to do very large doses when i trip.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5651535 - 05/19/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it does occur, but it is far far rarer than people make it out to be. everyone gets some level of visual distortion every day of their lives, tracers, floaters, dots, sun-spots etc etc etc, and the everyday mind is very good at filtering this out. one of the effects of psychadelics is a loosening of various brain filters, and we notice these normal occurences more. BUT THESE ARE NOT HPPD.
HPPD is a rare disorder (doesn't seem permanent btw) where the actual visual effects of tripping continue after the drug halflife has passed. Again, this is not when you notice "a shadow" or a "blip" in your field of vision a few days after tripping, nor is it a flashback (itself a dubious term).
2c-i does seem to have the highest incident rate.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: the_psychonaut]
#5651584 - 05/19/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if I try hard enough I can see visuals in pitch black...like ppl have mentioned u learn how to see visuals when u trip...I actually became aware of these visual disturbances from reading about mushrooms and lsd before I actually tried them...some of it is just natural...I started getting these lil flashy things moving all around my vision when I coughed sometimes...but my eye doc assured me this is normal and u are just seeing something in your eye(floaters are very common and not from trippin or drugs either)...if u have hppd, visuals are interfering with your life...u are seeing visuals as if u were still under the influence of the drug after the drug is long outta your system
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5652339 - 05/20/06 05:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The point to avoiding HPPD is to NOT try hard to see that shit in the dark etc..... I just been tripping a little too much last month on some clean LSD, and while I don't have HPPD, I can notice halos around lights that I just notice due to the psychedelic loosening of the brain's filters. I have mildly bad nearsightedness, but after dropping cid so much I am noticing the floaters (that existed prolly even before I dropped cid, and are harmlesS) I notice them, and afterimages a little longer than normal on bright ass lights, but nothing that is debilitating my everyday life. In fact, once Im at work I totally forget most of the time of these visual "disturbances".
After a while it gets annoying and played out when one is in the sober mind state, and is always seeing marble melting, or flourescant lights creating 30 second afterimages, etc...
Moderation is key.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: rajking]
#5652346 - 05/20/06 05:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i love it
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: thedudenj]
#5655357 - 05/21/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am shocked at what I just read, this is real. I have a lot of the symptoms they talk about. I've had my flashbacks and they really suck, REALLY SUCK, but I was having a ongoing all the time visuals and I was being told by every one its just flashbacks. I used to do LSD constantly, I don't even know how much I've taken but its got to be over 100 hits I know that, after I stopped taking drugs I was having after affects. At first they were very prominent but began to go away slowly over the past 4 years but today I still am having visuals just very faintly. Afterimages, flashes of color, geometric patterns, halos around objects, movement stationary objects appear to move(very much so still), and static but not even barely any more it comes and goes, I'm still having these symptoms now just faintly. Its hard to read books for a long time or read posts because letters go invisible or whole lines go white. Wow I'm glad I opened this post I always wondered why my flash backs were so fierce and strong and completely debilitating to me but these other things were constant and more of a nuisance.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Chill808]
#5657308 - 05/21/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"The point to avoiding HPPD is to NOT try hard to see that shit in the dark etc....."
Good, because accomplishing the seeing of some visuals in that situation doesn't constitute as HPPD. HPPD is a condition where the visuals are serious enough to affect one's everyday life. I'm not sure why so many people like believing they have HPPD... sympathy points or something?
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Lloyd313]
#5789656 - 06/25/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry that had to happen to you, everyone has somethings in the past that haunt them, but not many have it stick around as pronounced as you. I'd say you are definitely a case of *real* HPPD. Have you had courage to talk to any kind of doctor about this problem? I know I'd be hesitant for fear of what they may want to do to me.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Lloyd313]
#5789657 - 06/25/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i def have this too. like everyone says, it doesnt interfere with everyday life. its pretty mild.
your brain never forgets that "other" way of perceiving things.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: john706]
#5789661 - 06/25/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say you have exactly what he has... he has a definite altered perception, where you may just be more aware of your perception
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: john706]
#5789691 - 06/25/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That seems pretty heavy Lloyd. It really would be great if these drugs were made able to be studied. Solving these rare problems that occur would truely make it a safe drug.
I dont have hppd(ive barely even taken psychedelics), but i do have constant floaters, and rainbow patterns, and sort of waves i see just looking at walls. This is the kind of stuff im guessing these people who just say they have this disorder have. These have probably happened to me before i took psychedelics, but its really not harmful at all.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Phishe]
#5789764 - 06/25/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds more like symptoms of schizophrenia, not that its anything bad, or your fault at all for having it, as long as you can function, don't worry about it.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5789966 - 06/25/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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how is that like schizophrenia? I always though that was audio hallucinations?
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Phishe]
#5789975 - 06/25/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It presents itself visually aswell.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5790336 - 06/25/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hppd is fun
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
#5790352 - 06/25/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree...I believe its real...but I also believe its rare(in its true form at least) there are slight visual changes after a trip for everyone I think...but they seem to go away with time(I defintely get persisting visuals for about a week after lsd but they are very mild and completely dissipate(sp?) with time)
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Sage]
#5790356 - 06/25/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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For those that frequent erowid a lot, you may have noticed an online questionnaire surveying this problem.
The results are now being tallied and have been presented in abstract form. I'm sure the more complete publication will be available shortly. In sum, yes it is real.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
#5790367 - 06/25/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i never though my effects would be something as severe as scizophrenia? Weird.
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
#5790379 - 06/25/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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schizophrenia isn't just about visuals far as I know...its about delusions and paranoia
EDIT: the ppl I have met who claimed to have hppd were perfectly sane they were just living with constant visuals(complex geometric patterns melting into things etc) they claimed it to get in the way of life but had learned to deal with it
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5790425 - 06/25/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look up the DSM IV criteria for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. There is more criteria then auditory and/or visual hallucinations that needs to be met before diagnosis.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
#5790442 - 06/25/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I meant to reply to phishe sorry bout that
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5790723 - 06/25/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I read more on scizo and i highly doubt i have that(but maybe i have some mental disorder that denies other mental disorders?).
But more on the hppd, i found a page with treatment and research on it. I think the treatment only works for the anxiety and depression parts of hppd...but i dont really know, check out the page.
http://www.stormloader.com/hppd/help.htm
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Lloyd313]
#5791107 - 06/26/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I did mescaline (san pedro) and tripped for like a whole day, my vision was totally changed for like the next two weeks it felt like I was still sort of on it and was never going to get back to normal, although thankfully it eventually did.
Mushrooms on the other hand don't seem to leave me with any lasting visual effects whatsoever.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: JRichter420]
#5791283 - 06/26/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushrooms don't leave much of a lasting effect with me either...lsd definitely does...haven't tried mescaline
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Lloyd313]
#5791336 - 06/26/06 01:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah i would say you have a good old fashioned case of HPPD not schizophrenia as some here have said
while many here claim to have "visual disturbances" most are normal and completely benign and like others have said ONLY when it is interfering with your day to day life as LLoyd pointed out should treatment be sought
personally in my various readings of the subject i have seen that a holistic/ spiritual approach works better than a medical one, and the meds apparently just make you drone and robotic like.
id suggest going back on the psychedelic path if you feel ready, and aiming it towards the direction of self-healing, realizing these visual disturbances are all in your head, and YOU are in the drivers seat not anyone else. have someone you trust there, or if possible get a designated trip guide/ shaman.
it sounds like your dealing with it well, so even if the trip does not prove to help, you dont have much to lose.
good luck and i truly wish you the best of luck in overcoming this.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: evolprim]
#5791615 - 06/26/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lloyd.
I am also sorry that happened to you. That sounds completely awful. The reason I wanted to start this up is to get a clear notion of whether or not it exists.
However, do you think the Datura did more to you? I mean the pathways in which Datura (and other dissociative) are basically screwing with your sense of reality completely.
In a way they are the total opposite of psychedelics. They close up pathways. And from what you were saying about stopping for traffic that wasn't there. These all sound like dissociatives at work. Or at least a remnance of them somehow (whether in your brain or psyche).
Did you do heavy amount of dissociatves at high levels as well?
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#5791616 - 06/26/06 03:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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that does sound very much like a datura induced delusion(or any of the toxic delerium inducing drugs ppl take)
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Lloyd313]
#5794347 - 06/26/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't ever think it was a medical term, but I do for a fact have HPPD. I've done hallucinogens hundreds of times, ranging from 1/4oz+ of mushrooms to 8 hits of acid or week long ecstacy binges. Nearly 20 different hallucinogens nearly once a week for the past 3 years. I can be 100% sober and if I look at things with patterns they undulate and ripple. People, birds, bugs bubbles and odd shit creep into my vision all the time, and things constantly look like their moving when they aren't. Light trails when i'm driving occur almost every time i drive at night. However, when I'm working out, or have been clean of all drugs for over a week, these things go away almost entirely. Night makes it way more intense. My keyboard is moving up and down as I type this.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Catboy]
#5794462 - 06/26/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ever since my first time with mushrooms, all lights seemed to have taken on a more bright and vivid quality, seemingly more noticeable and intense than before.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Ashland]
#5794673 - 06/27/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Same with me, Lights always seem to glow(not that im saying i have hppd or anything), I also pay a lot more attention to the detail on trees. This may all just be do to us paying more attention to things we lost before mushrooms.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Phishe]
#5794700 - 06/27/06 01:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's almost as if I always knew it was that bright, just never bothered to think about it before. Though I can't ever remember seeing lights as vivid as I do now after taking mushrooms.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Ashland]
#5794809 - 06/27/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HPPD is real for sure. Especially after acid and when you regularly use MJ. I still have it and got used to it but for some it can be tiring. I've also noticed that non-visual perception of reality is also affected. Normal things look funny and strange. For example, my roommate used to say "did you know that X is doing Y" then he giggled. Stupid but that's typical psychedelia.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: soulcircus]
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Wow! The only thing I have to say to that is...Amen!
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: TurntableJunky]
#6870935 - 05/04/07 03:02 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awhile back I tried to study HPPD to find as much info as possible. I went on that HPPD forum where there is kind of a community of people who have it and help each other out etc. The one thing I found in common (someone on the board mentioned this) with most of them was that they did psychoactives at a young age. Like 14-16. A surprising majority of the people in that community started hallucinogens at a young age. My question:
If you have HPPD, at what age did you start taking psychedelics?
Maybe there really is a much higher risk for young ones.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
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Oh it exists i have it. It's not as bad as it's hyped up to be IMO but that can vary from person to person. I have only had it really had a couple times. Things always move around and there is static and strange colors but it only gets unmanageable when I smoke or eat myself fucking retarded. Don't worry about it though even if you have hppd you can still learn to help manage symptoms.
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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Cactilove]
#14497211 - 05/23/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I get a lot of visual effects, which are nice at times.
However what bothers me the most is the DP/DR and weird thought patterns that come with it. I hate those haha.
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