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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5651535 - 05/19/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

it does occur, but it is far far rarer than people make it out to be. everyone gets some level of visual distortion every day of their lives, tracers, floaters, dots, sun-spots etc etc etc, and the everyday mind is very good at filtering this out. one of the effects of psychadelics is a loosening of various brain filters, and we notice these normal occurences more. BUT THESE ARE NOT HPPD.

HPPD is a rare disorder (doesn't seem permanent btw) where the actual visual effects of tripping continue after the drug halflife has passed. Again, this is not when you notice "a shadow" or a "blip" in your field of vision a few days after tripping, nor is it a flashback (itself a dubious term).

2c-i does seem to have the highest incident rate.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5651584 - 05/19/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if I try hard enough I can see visuals in pitch black...like ppl have mentioned u learn how to see visuals when u trip...I actually became aware of these visual disturbances from reading about mushrooms and lsd before I actually tried them...some of it is just natural...I started getting these lil flashy things moving all around my vision when I coughed sometimes...but my eye doc assured me this is normal and u are just seeing something in your eye(floaters are very common and not from trippin or drugs either)...if u have hppd, visuals are interfering with your life...u are seeing visuals as if u were still under the influence of the drug after the drug is long outta your system


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5652339 - 05/20/06 05:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The point to avoiding HPPD is to NOT try hard to see that shit in the dark etc.....
I just been tripping a little too much last month on some clean LSD, and while I don't have HPPD, I can notice halos around lights that I just notice due to the psychedelic loosening of the brain's filters. I have mildly bad nearsightedness, but after dropping cid so much I am noticing the floaters (that existed prolly even before I dropped cid, and are harmlesS) I notice them, and afterimages a little longer than normal on bright ass lights, but nothing that is debilitating my everyday life. In fact, once Im at work I totally forget most of the time of these visual "disturbances".

After a while it gets annoying and played out when one is in the sober mind state, and is always seeing marble melting, or flourescant lights creating 30 second afterimages, etc...


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: rajking]
    #5652346 - 05/20/06 05:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i love it


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: thedudenj]
    #5655357 - 05/21/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am shocked at what I just read, this is real. I have a lot of the symptoms they talk about. I've had my flashbacks and they really suck, REALLY SUCK, but I was having a ongoing all the time visuals and I was being told by every one its just flashbacks. I used to do LSD constantly, I don't even know how much I've taken but its got to be over 100 hits I know that, after I stopped taking drugs I was having after affects. At first they were very prominent but began to go away slowly over the past 4 years but today I still am having visuals just very faintly. Afterimages, flashes of color, geometric patterns, halos around objects, movement stationary objects appear to move(very much so still), and static but not even barely any more it comes and goes, I'm still having these symptoms now just faintly. Its hard to read books for a long time or read posts because letters go invisible or whole lines go white. Wow I'm glad I opened this post I always wondered why my flash backs were so fierce and strong and completely debilitating to me but these other things were constant and more of a nuisance.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Chill808]
    #5657308 - 05/21/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"The point to avoiding HPPD is to NOT try hard to see that shit in the dark etc....."

Good, because accomplishing the seeing of some visuals in that situation doesn't constitute as HPPD. HPPD is a condition where the visuals are serious enough to affect one's everyday life. I'm not sure why so many people like believing they have HPPD... sympathy points or something?


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. *DELETED* [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5789615 - 06/25/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Lloyd313]
    #5789656 - 06/25/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry that had to happen to you, everyone has somethings in the past that haunt them, but not many have it stick around as pronounced as you. I'd say you are definitely a case of *real* HPPD. Have you had courage to talk to any kind of doctor about this problem? I know I'd be hesitant for fear of what they may want to do to me.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Lloyd313]
    #5789657 - 06/25/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i def have this too. like everyone says, it doesnt interfere with everyday life. its pretty mild.

your brain never forgets that "other" way of perceiving things.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: john706]
    #5789661 - 06/25/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't say you have exactly what he has... he has a definite altered perception, where you may just be more aware of your perception


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: john706]
    #5789691 - 06/25/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That seems pretty heavy Lloyd. It really would be great if these drugs were made able to be studied. Solving these rare problems that occur would truely make it a safe drug.

I dont have hppd(ive barely even taken psychedelics), but i do have constant floaters, and rainbow patterns, and sort of waves i see just looking at walls. This is the kind of stuff im guessing these people who just say they have this disorder have. These have probably happened to me before i took psychedelics, but its really not harmful at all.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Phishe]
    #5789764 - 06/25/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds more like symptoms of schizophrenia, not that its anything bad, or your fault at all for having it, as long as you can function, don't worry about it.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5789966 - 06/25/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

how is that like schizophrenia? I always though that was audio hallucinations?


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Phishe]
    #5789975 - 06/25/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It presents itself visually aswell.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5790336 - 06/25/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hppd is fun :laugh:


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
    #5790352 - 06/25/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I agree...I believe its real...but I also believe its rare(in its true form at least) there are slight visual changes after a trip for everyone I think...but they seem to go away with time(I defintely get persisting visuals for about a week after lsd but they are very mild and completely dissipate(sp?) with time)


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Sage]
    #5790356 - 06/25/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

For those that frequent erowid a lot, you may have noticed an online questionnaire surveying this problem.

The results are now being tallied and have been presented in abstract form. I'm sure the more complete publication will be available shortly. In sum, yes it is real.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
    #5790367 - 06/25/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i never though my effects would be something as severe as scizophrenia? Weird.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
    #5790379 - 06/25/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

schizophrenia isn't just about visuals far as I know...its about delusions and paranoia

EDIT: the ppl I have met who claimed to have hppd were perfectly sane they were just living with constant visuals(complex geometric patterns melting into things etc) they claimed it to get in the way of life but had learned to deal with it


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5790425 - 06/25/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Look up the DSM IV criteria for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. There is more criteria then auditory and/or visual hallucinations that needs to be met before diagnosis.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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