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HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers.
    #5649180 - 05/19/06 05:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For those who don't know much on HPPD and would like to read:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/hppd/hppd.shtml

Summary: HPPD or Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder is a mental illness in which there are changes (varying from mild to extreme) in visual perception after the Hallucinogen is fully metabolized and no longer in the body.

It seems it's mainly tied in with LSD (I'm guessing since that's more visual) and I haven't seen any direct reports from boomers. However, some people report extreme constant visual disturbances (ranging from color shifts of objects to changes in apparent size of objects).

Experiments suggest that perception deteriorates after every trip. However, such disturbances sometimes go unnoticed because they are slight. Yet some others report HPPD symptoms even after a trip.

So I guess higher level trips (4/5) with heavy visuals seem less appetizing if this is the case.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5649198 - 05/19/06 06:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have my doubts as to whether it exists at all but I'm sure that 99.9% of those that worry about having it are just being drama queens.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5649252 - 05/19/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

LOL reading some of the things on erowid, it seems like that's the case largely.

"I think I have HPPD from this dank I smoked. I dunno I'm just permanently friend now"

I about died when I saw some weed tokers in the HPPD section LOL


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5649264 - 05/19/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Although it's rare, and no one seems to know why or how it's caused; there seem to be very well documented cases of HPPD. Definetly a real phenomenon.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: badchad]
    #5649281 - 05/19/06 07:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well then again you have to look at the fact that these drugs aren't fully understood yet.

And yet they have such MAJOR psychoactive effects. I mean totally ripping your fabric of reality.

So maybe these drugs aren't so harmless. Seems to be mainly LSD related tho. So I'll just stay away from that.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5649297 - 05/19/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its true and not just a scare tactic.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: kaniz]
    #5649358 - 05/19/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

its true...I have it. Not really a big deal, but I have permanent tracers on everything that moves, and I also get some crazy visual distortions...sometimes its worse than others. Designs and patterns always move, even when i stare directly at them.

I first noticed the effects after a few large quantity LSD trips a few years ago, and they got worse after my use of 2ci. Not really a bother, I actually find it quite cool. Free visuals without the drugs! Its not like its to the point where I cant discern if something is real or not.

Ill just be sitting around staring at something and bust out laughing just because ill be seeing some crazy random shit swirling around on a white wall.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: dedjam]
    #5649368 - 05/19/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think its the real deal - thankfully im as clear headed today as I was many mushrooms and tabs ago - but it does seem to happen to some people.
During a heavy period of tripping I did notice some weird visual changes - but these actually turned out to be the aura before migraine headaches :wink:


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5649421 - 05/19/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Back in the fall quarter I had a drugs alcohol and tobacco class. We watched a video where this lady interviewed a man who had permanently lossed his vision due to FREQUENT LSD use. This guy had probably taken like 400 hits a year or something totally insane. When the reporter asked him what he saw when he looked at her, he replied by saying all he could ever see was millions of little dots all different colors. It was pretty freaky stuff, but i'm not really worried about it happening to me :stoned:


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: KingSpade]
    #5649581 - 05/19/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe it exists I knew a user who was spreading the word on hppd...he had constant melting and morphing and other complicated detailed visuals distinct to lsd...his description of the visuals was what I would expect and he just didn't seem like he was lying to me...and theres a community of ppl with this...so I def think its real...do I think its common? nope...I'm under the feeling at this point if u've tripped many times and have no obvious residual visuals its probably not gonna happen...also it may have something to do with using a lot of lsd(or mushrooms or mescaline I'm sure) at a young age when the brain is still developing...I believe this user I'm refering too was around 14-16 when he used massive amounts of lsd


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5649691 - 05/19/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

While it's real, extreme cases seem to be rare (extreme being it interferes with the person's daily life). For the most part though it's not harmful and does seem to improve or even go away after you stop using the drugs.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: StickyWater]
    #5650416 - 05/19/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have had light HPPD-like visual and aural effects since before I started doing drugs but pot and hallucinogens make it more noticable. It's only annoying sometimes.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: StickyWater]
    #5650431 - 05/19/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

from my experiance and the degree I have visual changes I feel that psychedelics just make you process the world A bit diffrently. difrent engery patterns other planes of existance. most patterns and wood grains stuff like that just sorta shifts around for me other visual changes that were not there before. but I also have a strange experiance of feeling like they were always there just sort of not tuned into. but thats all I know about from experiance directly other than that is web zone has taught me all I know about it.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: so_me_tuo]
    #5650466 - 05/19/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

visual distortions are normal, we all have them to some degree, we just usually don't notice them.


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: so_me_tuo]
    #5650469 - 05/19/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah man its very true its the in workings of your brain being displayed to you specially when people see them before the go to sleep the brain naturally will pulsate colours to induce sleep and make it so you dont actually see them but subconsciously do therefore inducing sleep by taking these drugs you open up your subconscious and make it one with your conscious mind


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: thedudenj]
    #5650493 - 05/19/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

wow, that scares me.

is it an issue for someone tripping on mushrooms about once a year?


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5650559 - 05/19/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, it's not something I'd worry about.

Wiccan_Seeker has it.

I'm sick of two things.

1.) Thing number one is the bastards trying to make it seem more common than it is. Seems like a new trend, as HPPD as a diagnosable disorder is new as well. It must be relieving after the years of *completely* unfounded propaganda to actually have something based on fact. I have a feeling we'll see more of these.

2.) Second thing: The dipshits. These are people who like to think that while psychedelic drugs won't give them mega-cancer and explosive diarrhea (usually) they are 110%, completely, and ridiculously safe. Some of these people think that anything that comes from the dirt like mushrooms, pot (and datura) is safe because the Earth Mother, or old white guy with a beard provided it to them. I call these the psychereligious freaks, even those who consider themselves atheists. If pure psilocybin is satan because a man in a white coat made it, but mushrooms are wonderful because they popped out of poo, you need to examine your values closely.

Others who don't focus on the natural element often think that most serotonin based psychedelic drugs are safe. In comparison with the frequent lies the media gives us, yes... they are quite safe. But in response to these lies, much of our community strikes back with understating the risks. You know how DARE loses respect by lying? How a kid might not trust DARE's decision about cocaine because they were obviously lying about the pot? It works on both sides of the fence. Be honest, let your agenda rest for a moment. If it was an honorable one in the first place, it should still be well protected enough to stand its ground.

It really disgusts me (the last time I ranted about this was one case) when someone will come to the board with a serious problem, obviously the result of psychedelics and be dismissed as a troll. Forum trolls exist, yes. But in the case of a serious matter, wouldn't you rather take the chance of being fooled by some kid about a fake problem (something you'll likely forget in about in a matter of minutes) than refuse help to someone who possible (if even marginally) might have this problem? Even worse is when people do it as a defense mechanism to protect the idea that they can trip as much as they want and be healthy as ever. Again, if you're guilty of this, you need to seriously examine your values.


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    #5650900 - 05/19/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: soulcircus]
    #5651514 - 05/19/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hppd would make me paranoid...I'm not saying u should be if u have it I just know me and its a good thing I don't get residual visuals


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Re: HPPD truth or scare tactic? - For avid trippers. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5651524 - 05/19/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

IT IS DEFINATLY TRUE, I HAVE IT, SO I KNOW. i will occasionally see waves on walls, and get color "splashes" on my vision while trying to sleep(in pitch black) it can get annoyign while trying to sleep. although i tend to do very large doses when i trip.


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