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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Alex213]
    #5663582 - 05/23/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It really wasn't semantics. You said he was already overseas while he wasn't. You were wrong. I wouldn't expect you to actually admit that, though.


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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Redstorm]
    #5663615 - 05/23/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Also, making unbased claims that an embedded reported with offer biased commentary has been proved wrong in the past. The Project for Excellence in Journalism completed a broad, spanning analysis on the reporting of embeds, and found that almost 94% of the coverage is simply stating the facts of what occurred. You can read this excellent research here:

http://www.journalism.org/resources/research/reports/war/embed/default.asp


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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Redstorm]
    #5663904 - 05/23/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The amusing thing about this exchange is that it's all a typical Alex213 red herring. You will note his standard tactic of ignoring the substance of the reporting (i.e. the fact that a major Taliban leader was captured and that only 17 of the 104 deaths reported were Afghani or coalition forces, the other 87 being insurgents) since it doesn't fit his script. Far from indicating some kind of Taliban threat, the latest engagements represent a major defeat for the Taliban. Instead he attempts to dodge the reports from the BBC, Associated Press et al by claiming (falsely, of course) that the fellow who referenced -- not wrote, just brought them to our attention -- the BBC and AP reports "has been" embedded in Afghanistan, therefore we are to ignore them.

***As a side note here, if we are to use the standard Leftie loose definition of "lying" Alex213 routinely applies to Blair and Bush's statements about WMDs in Iraq, Alex213 lied about Roggio's status.***

Even if Roggio had been embedded in Afghanistan (which of course he hasn't) it would have exactly zero bearing on the accuracy of the reports from the BBC and Associated Press. Roggio provides links to the BBC and AP reports. I clicked on them to read them. Alex213 -- of course -- did not.

I suppose I could also mention the CentCom reports, but Alex213 would dismiss them as lies -- since even though they were released not by embedded reporters or by hope-to-be-embedded reporters or even by reporters who once served in the military but by currently serving army generals, the reports are not SECRET reports -- therefore are worthless in Alex213 Land.

I would ask Alex213 why he believes the report from The Independent (which may for all we know have had input from the dreaded embedded reporters) yet ignores the reports from the BBC and Associated Press, but we all know we'll get no answer.



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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Phred]
    #5663917 - 05/23/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ya'll have some great fun in here. :grin:

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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5663963 - 05/23/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You should hang out here more often. We definitely have a few posters here from the "Reality-based Community" who exhibit extraordinary disdain for actual reality. I've read your work in the Philosophy and Spirituality forum. I have no doubt you'd have as easy a time debunking the nonsense posted here as you do debunking the nonsense posted in P&S.

Not that's it's hard to do, mind, just that the opportunities here are so abundant.



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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Phred]
    #5663999 - 05/23/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

I'm not too terribly interested in political matters (actually, the thought of global politics is more intriguing), so I'm essentially bound to the role of an observer... Perhaps I will follow the news a bit more, and offer some perspectives... :shrug:

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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5664108 - 05/23/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was never into politics until I started reading this forum religiously. I think reading so many different points of view ends up sharpening one's mind.


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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Redstorm]
    #5665345 - 05/23/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
I was never into politics until I started reading this forum religiously. I think reading so many different points of view ends up sharpening one's mind.




If you go into it with the right frame of mind and a willingness to engage. If you just want to proselytize and lie and just don't give a shit, then it's useless. This is a fairly harsh crucible and very little bullshit passes through unchallenged, although some shit is just too nuts for words.

I honestly find it absolutely amazing that Alex is still humping this dead dog. Hey Al, you fucked up. Deal with it. You're only embarassing yourself.


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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Phred]
    #5671473 - 05/25/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here's the US military spokesman. I guess he must be lying too  :rolleyes:

Taliban grows in strength, US admits

Declan Walsh in Islamabad
Thursday May 25, 2006
The Guardian


The Taliban are growing in strength, the US military admitted yesterday as it defended 16 civilian deaths inflicted by its bombers during southern Afghanistan's most violent week in years.
Hundreds of insurgents have taken root in three key southern provinces at the heart of the current Nato deployment, said a US spokesman, Colonel Tim Collins.

"There's no doubt the Taliban have grown in strength and influence in certain areas in Kandahar, Helmand and in southern Uruzgan," he said. "That's why we are going after them."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1782461,00.html

Instead he attempts to dodge the reports from the BBC

Quit lying. The report from the BBC is a different story to the one in the Independent. They do not disprove each other. Stop trying to pretend they do.

As a side note here, if we are to use the standard Leftie loose definition of "lying" Alex213 routinely applies to Blair and Bush's statements about WMDs in Iraq

Example? As the only person who still believes Iraq had WMD your credibility on this issue isn't exactly high.

I would ask Alex213 why he believes the report from The Independent (which may for all we know have had input from the dreaded embedded reporters) yet ignores the reports from the BBC and Associated Press

No, it isn't just in the independent. This is a typical example of your lying. Roggio is claiming all the media reports are inaccurate. There's Roggio on one side and everyone else on the other.

And again, it's tiresome having to repeatedly expose your lies but the two stories in the BBC and the Independent don't disprove each other. It's a measure of the worth of your argument that your only hope is to try and confuse the two in the hope someone will take you seriously.


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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: Redstorm]
    #5671483 - 05/25/06 03:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and found that almost 94% of the coverage is simply stating the facts of what occurred.

So when an embed arrives at an incident with an american army patrol and another american army patrol tells him what happened would you consider that a "fact"?

Think about it.


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Re: Taliban launch biggest attack since war [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5671643 - 05/25/06 05:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are wrong. You only fight as well as you train.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war"


Where would you put desire to win and belief that you're fighting for something worthwhile in the equation SirTrip? Say if you had a well trained army fighting some war they don't believe in who are more interested in smoking doobies than fighting. How would they stack up against an relatively untrained group of guys fighting for their families and something they believe in?


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