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cubensisfrenzy55
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preventing hollow stems
#5647797 - 05/18/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just harvested my first couple BRF cakes of B+ and to my dismay found that they had hollow stems. Is this just because I'm unlucky or is there something I can do to prevent this. I won't be doing cakes after these are done. I am doing casings with 50/50 peat and verm. Will this help? Is B+ known for hollow stems? thanks for any help.
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Darkenshroom
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Some strains have meaty stems some have hollows, I would suggest PE, PE6, or Texans offhand as meaty stemmed strains.
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5647843 - 05/18/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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cool, I have texas that is almost done colonizing.
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cubensisfrenzy55
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what is pe?
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cubensisfrenzy55
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: ]
#5647876 - 05/18/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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gotcha, thanks
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creamcorn
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Well I'm not going to pass this off as "fact" so take with a grain of salt. First off everyone is correct that certain strains are more likely to produce meatier stems than others. That aside, I've got a hunch it also has to do with temperature.
TMC alludes to this, stating that higher temps leads to faster fruitbody development, but lesser overall yield. Unfortunately there's no more elaboration on that which kind of annoys me!
I've also noticed that comparing room temperature grows (68F) to slightly warmed grows (75F) does show a big difference in the speed they grow of course, but the cooler fruiting temp ones also seem to be meatier. It makes intuitive sense, that if they're going real fast and shooting up, there isn't as much time to build mass within the stem, whereas in lower temps its more of a slow-but-steady growth where the stems have more weight to them, and they weigh a lot more when dried and seem to shrink less than their warmer grown counterparts.
This is just anecdotal and an observation like I said, so take it as you will. However if your setup allows for you to lower the temp a little bit, you might want to give it a shot and see for yourself.
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: creamcorn]
#5649813 - 05/19/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have seen most all BRF fruits have hollow stems. I too believe the speed of grow has something to do with it also IME. This would be a valuable experiment when done with two separate groups (68-72F and 76-80F) both grown on BRF. Any takers? creamcorn?
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: hyphae]
#5649830 - 05/19/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can add to the "BRF = Hollow Stems" theory, as about 2/3rds my harvest from BRF PF Cakes were hollow as hollow can get. Dried they look like UFO's with a string attached to them.
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: Cham]
#5649873 - 05/19/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yup thats what mine are. Good looking mushies when I picked them. Thought I would have a decent yeild and then they shriveled to nothing. Does anyone have the same problem with rye grain? or WBS? I am contimplating using one of those mediums for my next grows. Also can you case grains in 50/50 peat and verm. mix? I haven't done alot of research on other mediums other than BRF cakes but I think it is about time. Thanks for all the help.
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one more question. I have ordered pf classic, golden teacher, lipa yai and Z strain and have texas and tasmanian colonizing right now. Can anyone relay their experiences on these strains regarding hollow stems. I know texas is pretty meaty but i'm just wondering about the rest. thanks
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ive read somewhere here that hollow stems can be strain related and that more fresh air exchange can also aid in having solid stems ive had some hollow and solid from the same batch so maybe there is something to the air exchange...
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: CaptainKirk]
#5649919 - 05/19/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I air it out probably three to five times a day. My temps are up a little. 82-86, good for colonizing. getting a heat wave in my parts right now.
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: hyphae]
#5649931 - 05/19/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
hyphae said: I have seen most all BRF fruits have hollow stems. I too believe the speed of grow has something to do with it also IME. This would be a valuable experiment when done with two separate groups (68-72F and 76-80F) both grown on BRF. Any takers? creamcorn?
Sure why not. I'll fire off some quick cakes from clone LC so I can compare apples to apples and I'll let ya'll know how it turns out in a few weeks.
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: creamcorn]
#5650179 - 05/19/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like the others say, its just the strain, some are hollow and some are meaty. I like using PESA and Aussie! they grow well and produce nice size meaty fruits! but hey, just experiment and see what u like best!!!
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ive never had hollow stems or nothing extream at least and i fruit in the upper 60's. this leads me to belive there is some truth to your theory. i have and experiment cake that will be harvested probably tomorrow and then well see it it too has solid stems. seem solid to the touch as i just gave em a poke.
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: creamcorn]
#5650499 - 05/19/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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my normal grow room temps all year round is 73 to 76 degrees F.
then I grow a few Double tubs and some small Terrarium's upstairs... and the heat upstairs gets into the 80's and 90's. And I have never noticed thin non meaty stems from the higher heat.
so there is probably something else causing this.
Or I have magic strains of Cubensis!~

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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: Roadkill]
#5650572 - 05/19/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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but i'm guessing you don't grow on BRF?
perhaps superior substrate = doesnt matter the fruiting temp because the nutes are really accessible
inferior substrate = benefits from lower temp because the nutes are harder to digest and it takes more time to do so?
i'll see what happens either way, i've already got two room temp FCs and one that's heated so its no real effort on my part to find out what happens with a clone and some brf
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Re: preventing hollow stems [Re: creamcorn]
#5650584 - 05/19/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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creamcorn said: but i'm guessing you don't grow on BRF?
perhaps superior substrate = doesnt matter the fruiting temp because the nutes are really accessible
inferior substrate = benefits from lower temp because the nutes are harder to digest and it takes more time to do so?
i'll see what happens either way, i've already got two room temp FCs and one that's heated so its no real effort on my part to find out what happens with a clone and some brf
I actually do grow some pf tek cakes from time to time... when I'm testing new strains. I wanna make sure that the new strain will grow good on all types of substrate.
so yes some were brf/verm cakes that grew in 80 to 90 degree F. weather. and they didn't have hollow stems.
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humidity...try keeping it around 89% while still allowing a good amount of FAE. Then see how it goes. When people do cakes, they're always told to keep the humidity as high as possible. Try a lower steady humidity level and see what happens.
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