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CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out
#5647763 - 05/18/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4996140.stm
A US court has dismissed a lawsuit brought by a German citizen who says he was kidnapped and beaten by the CIA.
Khaled el-Masri aimed to sue former CIA chief George Tenet and other officials for their alleged role in the "extraordinary rendition" programme.
Mr el-Masri says he was picked up in Macedonia in 2003 and flown to Kabul, Afghanistan, where he alleges torture.
The judge did not rule on the truth of the allegations, but said letting the case proceed might endanger security.
Rights group the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case on behalf of Mr el-Masri - who was never charged with any terrorist offences.
Besides Mr Tenet, the case named 10 other CIA employees, as well as three other companies and their employees.
In times of war, our country must often take exceptional steps to thwart the enemy Judge TS Ellis US District Court, Virginia However, the district court judge in Virginia rejected the challenge, saying Mr el-Masri's "private interests must give way to the national interest in preserving state secrets".
Lebanese-born Mr el-Masri had demanded compensation and an apology from Mr Tenet and several other CIA figures.
He has alleged he was beaten and injected with drugs after being seized near Macedonia's border with Albania, before being taken to Afghanistan and held for five months.
'Exceptional steps'
In his ruling, Judge TS Ellis stressed that by rejecting Mr el-Masri's lawsuit he made no judgement on the strength or otherwise of his allegations.
"[The result reached here] is in no way an adjudication of, or comment on, the merit or lack of merit of Mr el-Masri's complaint," he said.
"Further, it is also important that nothing in this ruling should be taken as a sign of judicial approval or disapproval of rendition programmes.
"In times of war, our country, chiefly through the executive branch, must often take exceptional steps to thwart the enemy."
His case has attracted the attention of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who raised the issue with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Ms Rice has admitted that the US has used so-called "extraordinary rendition" - or secret flights - to move suspects across international borders.
But the US has refused to discuss individual cases and insists it does not condone torture
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isnt by denying this case even the chance to appear somewhat equal to admiting to torturing people.
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: guri]
#5648174 - 05/18/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont care what zappa says...there is only one way to interpret this case and a similar ruling in the case of canadian maher arar ..the courts have effectively ruled that "state secrets" in the interests of the "war on terrorism" render any and all legal protections null and void...my question for zappa&co is how we are supposed to be more "secure" in a country where the bush administration has that much power...
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: Annapurna1]
#5649824 - 05/19/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Every administration has had that power. As to legal protections, from what I can tell from the link this was a civil case to obtain monetary relief. It is very, very rare that anyone ever successfully sues any government agency for false arrest. There was a very low probability that this case would ever go anywhere and the report in the BBC may only quote a small part of the ruling. There's no fucking way we would let this guy and his ACLU enablers trot a bunch of agents through a public court. It's absurd and was quite rightly thrown out.
I thought you would be pleased. The interests of the collective were found to be greater than those of the few (in this case 1). You are a commie, aren't you?
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: zappaisgod]
#5650817 - 05/19/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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bullshit...first of all..the "national interest" is the interest of the bush administration and republican campaign sponsors..not the interests of the collective...and second of all..it is equally untrue that any govt has ever a blank check like bush..if only because they failed to fabricate a permanent state of emergency on which to justify that power...
this line of argument will inevitably be stretched to allow the govt to take arbitrary action against any person and link it to "national security" or "national interest" to keep it out of the courts...and your being a loudmouthed fascist toady will protect you about as much it did gregor strasser...
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: Annapurna1]
#5650949 - 05/19/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: bullshit...first of all..the "national interest" is the interest of the bush administration and republican campaign sponsors..not the interests of the collective...and second of all..it is equally untrue that any govt has ever a blank check like bush..if only because they failed to fabricate a permanent state of emergency on which to justify that power...
Given the fact that there are numerous outright statements given by various national leaders that the US is the Great Satan and must be destroyed it is hardly necessary to fabricate anything. And if you want to live your life with your head firmly buried in some Miskatonic U sand hill worrying about what form cthulhu might take and finding it to be the NSA that's fine. Because, in the end, really, silly people have no impact.Quote:
this line of argument will inevitably be stretched to allow the govt to take arbitrary action against any person and link it to "national security" or "national interest" to keep it out of the courts...and your being a loudmouthed fascist toady will protect you about as much it did gregor strasser...
Wah wah wah. The laws have always been there, they have always been used and there has never been anything untoward to come of it. And then we have the obligatory ignorant Nazi reference. If you had a dick it would be well trod upon
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: Annapurna1]
#5650987 - 05/19/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: bullshit...first of all..the "national interest" is the interest of the bush administration and republican campaign sponsors..not the interests of the collective...and second of all..it is equally untrue that any govt has ever a blank check like bush..
What planet are you from?
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if only because they failed to fabricate a permanent state of emergency on which to justify that power...
Fabricate???? Can you read? There are numerous groups who have declared a desire to do us ill.Quote:
this line of argument will inevitably be stretched to allow the govt to take arbitrary action against any person and link it to "national security" or "national interest" to keep it out of the courts...and your being a loudmouthed fascist toady will protect you about as much it did gregor strasser...
Ah yes, the obligatory Nazi reference. Way to go. Seeing as how this has not ever happened and the laws are pretty much the same as they have always been why the screed against Bush? False arrest claims almost always go nowhere. Get over it. It's the law. It's always been the law. We do not live in the state of Nitwitistan. You continue to marginalize yourself with your insane rants.
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: zappaisgod]
#5651413 - 05/19/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Given the fact that there are numerous outright statements given by various national leaders that the US is the Great Satan and must be destroyed it is hardly necessary to fabricate anything.
political rhetoric is not a state of national emergency...and given bushs' desire to arbitrarily kidnap and torture ppl..such rhetoric is no more insane ranting than calling you an LMFT...
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The laws have always been there, they have always been used and there has never been anything untoward to come of it.
right..and dick cheney wrote the gospels too...
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: zappaisgod]
#5651907 - 05/19/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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how bout the japanese internment camps back in world war 2? yes there was a state of emergency in the country but it was due to an identifiable enemy which was the whole state of japan. not this bullshit state known as "terrorism" these days. somebody is always going to hate us or bad mouth us. on the other hand certain people will always try to hurt us. knowing the diffrences between the two is what really matters. how many people do you know make that claims that they are gonna kick somebodies ass but never follow up on it?
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Re: CIA 'torture' lawsuit thrown out [Re: Annapurna1]
#5652539 - 05/20/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: your being a loudmouthed fascist toady
I am not a loudmouth. I am generally quite quiet.
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