> I liked 2c-e quite a bit. My one 2c-i experience wasn't that spectacular. From the speculative health perspective, the 2c-e is probably safer.
>it's basically the same trip with a few differences 2ce will cause more of a mind fuck where as 2ci is just more of pretty colours. i like them both equally.
>which would be more like lsd and which would be more like mushrooms (the same one may be like both). Thos are the only two psychedelics i have experience with, and thus are the most familiar. Also, is there a significant difference in the length of the trip?
>SWIM has some 2CE though hasnt dosed on it yet since SWIM is waiting for a scale and syringe, though after research SWIM had determined 2CE to be the better of the two when it comes to a true Psychedelical feeling, though I heard 2CE has more of a body load. I also heard 2C's are more related to LSD or mescaline visualy.
>I have a lot of experience with both, and I can say 2C-I and 2C-E are hardly 'the same trip, but with small differences.' While the two are not as different as say, LSD compared with 2C-B...they still are two very different kinds of trips.
While 2C-I is gentle sensory enhancer, with heart and mind opening empatheogenic, and entheogenic properties. 2C-E on the other hand is an all-out full fledged deep psychedelic trip...I fully consider 2C-E in the same league as LSD as depth and utter profoundness.
As for the original poster, if you have to ask what chemical you should buy, then YOU ARE NOT READY TO STEP INTO THE WORLD OF PURE, SYNTHETIC PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS.
The only people who should consider experimenting with these things are folks who have read all the reports at Erowid, read all of the 2C-E and 2C-I threads at www.bluelight.ru and www.shroomery.org, and who has read PIHKAL from cover to cover. A person who has done this kind of research will have learned enough on general effects and properties of both chemicals, that they will be informed enough to decide for themselves which of the two is right for you.
Taking potent, experimental, and potentially dangerous drugs, such as the ones this thread is about is serious business. No one should ever leave such decisions to strangers.
Again, if you are not informed enough to decide for yourself which one sounds more up your ally, then please for the love of Allah either keep them in the freezer until you are ready, or better yet get rid of them and stick with psilocybin, LSD, and mescaline.
>That's excessive, a tad. Granted, one should be entirely informed about the chem via all availible sources prior to ingestion, yes. 2c-e, however, has no serious physical contraindictions based off of either proposed action or experiential reports. 2c-I has that pesky Iodine atom tho, and that has some shit associated with it.
The part about the psychedelic depth of the two is accurate tho. COuld i tell you why? No. But i ran into it.
Personally, i want my psychedelics PSYCHEDELIC, and 2c-i didn't meet that criteria. i had a good time, but there was no depth.
>What did I say that was excessive?
BTW, there is nothing 'dangerous' about the iodine atom in 2C-I. THe atom stays bonded to the benzene ring throughout its journey through the body.
>There are many suppositions of various I subsituted shits that that can come off and provoke thyroid problems. Besides, 2c-e is just better.
>Such as? The metabolism of 2C-I and DOI are known, as both are radiolabeled and used to study 5HT2A receptors. The para-iodine of 2C-I/DOI never seperates from the phenyl ring, and is never available as a free ion in the body. Same with 2C-B/DOB and 2C-C/DOC as well. And that is a good thing! Otherwise a lot of folks would have died by now of acute bromine and chlorine poisoning from 2C-C and 2C-B.
> i took 2C-E about a dozen times, and 2C-I maybe a half-dozen times. I much preferred 2C-E. I've written a lot about this topic, so I'm not going to go into it. Just put this one down as a vote for 2C-E.
>i have read everything that erowid and pihkal have to say about 2ci and 2ce. I narrowed down my list of choices from approximately 20 down to 2. What is wrong with asking for the opinion of an experienced group that has a lot of knowledge on the subject? I consider the information on the shroomery to be every bit as important as anything in erowid and pihkal. I'm using all three sources to make my decision.
>There is nothing wrong with asking, and I apologize if I came across as being negative. Over the years, I've noted a lot of people who find out about these things tend to do little/no research themselves, instead relying on others to spoon feed them the information, relying on others to basically think for them. And the way you worded your question, it did kind of come across that way.
And to some regard, I still feel that if one really does all the reading, there should be no question as to which 'one they should get.' Because once the information is absorbed, it should be easy to decide what psychedelic to obtain based on what you like and what you are looking for from a psychedelic.
But again, I am glad you are doing the research instead of just rushing into something.
>If I were to take an RC the choice would mainly revolve around 2CI and 2CE too.
To me they are no contest: 2CE would be the winner without a doubt. Iodinated anisoles are reactive, if not in the body then perhaps on storage. With the 2CE that ethyl is firmy stuck up there. I dislike the idea of halogens in the 4-position, 2CC and 2CB (and their DOX compounds DOC and DOB) are acceptable in my book but at iodine I draw the line. I feel, speculative, that it might interfere with thyroid hormones even if it doesnt come off, and indeed some 2CI users have reported tender thyroids. Bromine is more associated with lungs and Chlorine is more aspecific, whereas Iodine is associated with a tiny, easily disrupted, vital organ of barely an ounce in weight. You have ounces of chlorine in your body, likely a gram or two of bromine, but only miligrams of iodine. DOB is associated with unsuspected toxicity in small overdose.
Please note thast at no point I'm saying "these are the facts and here are the links", it's a gut instinct.
If you look at the psychedelic side of things 2CE is a winner too. Whereas 2CI is more like a 2CB replacement 2CE is said to be a hardcore psychedelic, one of the richest which is said to combine potent visuals with deep mental effects and 8-12 hours duration. Look at the statistics of the 2CE poll, it is strong on all counts 2CI is said to be lacking.
>Personally I found 2C-I to be much more appealing than 2C-B. While 2C-B was easy on the body and very visual, it lacked any real depth or the richness I like in a psychedelic experience. I had a number of truely insightful experiences with 2C-I that I have to respect. However, the bodyload with 2C-I was just too much and I won't take it again.
>What did the bodyload consist of?
>Maybe bodyload is the wrong word. When I think of things like 5-Meo-DiPT (which had a very icky, heavy bodyload), I guess 2C-I was fairly easy. But 2C-I is very stimulating to me. I would get uncomfortable feelings in my facial muscles, as well as generalized muscle tension. Also, nearly all of my 2C-I experiences ended in a severe headache that had lasted days on a few occasions. For those reasons, I chucked the remainder of my 2C-I into the 'collectors vault' and will not try it again.
>I'm lactose and have had some pretty rough times revolving around my stomach. I had excessive gas, acid reflex, and lactose. Gas gave me aches, Acid reflex gave me burning sensations in my chest, and drinking milk or anything containing enough milk gave me serious pain in my stomach. it would go away and come back and usually involved diarrhea. It sortve felt like a warning bell.. it would ring then fade and come back slowly.. like you knew when it would start back hurting.. stomach awarness. I dont know if thats the body load but it does seem like it.. that by far the worst stomach pain ever. I've heard that these symptoms occur with digestion of some 2c's, im well prepared for it.
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