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The futuristic hallucinogen
    #5645676 - 05/18/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm thinking the future will hold some great computer/brain interactions along with implants. If there was an implant that could give you any feeling of any drug in the present or put you into a place not yet known (aka The Matrix) would you do it? I know I would. I'd like to be able to turn it off and on with a switch or put a timer on it. I'd be the first in line.

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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Azen]
    #5645732 - 05/18/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I'd do it.  But only as long as the computer was not running Microsoft software (although that's highly unlikely given that Microsoft can barely write an Operating System let alone a protocol for communicating with the human brain).

I'd learn the API's of such a system and develop software for it. :smile:


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Azen]
    #5645737 - 05/18/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not only that.. juts a chemical that can be synthesized with future lab techniques that has all the benefits of LSD, plus more hallucinations, no paranoia, etc. that would be awesome.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Limelight]
    #5645743 - 05/18/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I remeber reading about some brain implant that was being tested to treat depression by sending an eletrical signal to some nerve/part of the brain or something. Apparently the electric pulse resulted in an increased mood, extreeme happiness, brighter colours/shape definition and increased energy - almost sounds like a little mini-roll :P


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: kaniz]
    #5645838 - 05/18/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Chipping people is NOT the way to go....for ANYTHING. My opinion.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: LazyCrash]
    #5645979 - 05/18/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A Brave New Drug? For some reason, I cannot manage to look forward to any such thing. No paranoia? In my opinion, the experience of paranoia is a part of the process of self-discovery. Therein lies the great spiritual potential of entheogenic substances. If you assume that is true, then it would be logical to say that a drug that does not include paranoia on the menu from time to time is probably limited in its ability to deliver meaningful experience...


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5646316 - 05/18/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I hope for a device of some sort capable of producing instant an OBE. Also one capable of shifting the assemblage point.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5646579 - 05/18/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't trust people enough to allow them to write software for my brain. With brain-computer interfaces comes people hacking...I don't like that idea.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5647095 - 05/18/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm hacking your brain as I speak


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: LazyCrash]
    #5647194 - 05/18/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Chipping people is NOT the way to go....for ANYTHING. My opinion.



I just love your reasoning there. People should follow your excellent example of meaningful in-depth discussion. :p


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: TurricaN]
    #5647223 - 05/18/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i would not let anyone put a computer chip or implant into my body. it just makes me feel uneasy thinking about it, think of how easy it is to hack a computer, who knows wat else a chip could do or what the gov't could do to invade our privacy with these little suckers. u go ahead with ur psychedelic chip, ill stick with lsd and mushrooms!


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: LedHead]
    #5647692 - 05/18/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Someone has apparently never heard of open source software. :p


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: LedHead]
    #5648087 - 05/18/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i would not let anyone put a computer chip or implant into my body.  it just makes me feel uneasy thinking about it, think of how easy it is to hack a computer, who knows wat else a chip could do or what the gov't could do to invade our privacy with these little suckers.  u go ahead with ur psychedelic chip, ill stick with lsd and mushrooms!




The day they make brain chips ill be M.I.A. while everybody else is a P.O.W. :smile:


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: camelsmoker]
    #5648596 - 05/19/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I really don't like the idea at all, of any implants in fact. Kinda freaks me out. Besides the hacking thing, look at our computers now. They aren't really all that reliable. And it sounds like it would be a very difficult thing to develop, especially without using people as lab rats of sorts. Even if it does happen eventually, i'm sure it's a very long ways off and if we were able to do that, then we could probably find a better way to achieve those same effects anyways.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Azen]
    #5648756 - 05/19/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's a very interesting concept, but I'm leaning towards no on that one. The reason is because I know that I would abuse the system in question, and just be tripping all the time -- thereby denegrating the quality and significance of the experience.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5648810 - 05/19/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds intriuging... but I don't like the idea of having something electronic in my head altering the way I perceive reality. Very unnatural.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: TurricaN]
    #5649126 - 05/19/06 04:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Chipping people is NOT the way to go....for ANYTHING. My opinion.



I just love your reasoning there.  People should follow your excellent example of meaningful in-depth discussion. :p




lol u be funny

oh and imo paranoia is not needed for a spiritual experience and in fact the most spiritual, beneficial trips I've had were paranoia/anxiety free...anxiety serves as nothing but a distraction in any situation...remember what it actually is...the body thinks its in physical danger when there is no actual danger present(well this is an anxiety disorder...if u have that response when someone has a gun to your head then it IS benefical obviously :laugh:)

in fact the fact that mdma is a psychedelic experience which rarely involves anxiety is why its being tested on war vets for PTSD...eliminating anxiety is the key to using psychedelics for mental health therapy

paranoia/anxiety actually clouds your view of self discovery...u need to disolve those barriers to truely look at yourself in an impartial way


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5649365 - 05/19/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

lol...what do you think this reality is now? For all you know we may be hooked up to a computer already.

There are magnetic and electrical devices that can be used to alter consciousness. I believe they are talked about somewhere on erowid. Its interesting, but ill stick with my chemicals for now :smile:


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: ImperialCactus]
    #5649556 - 05/19/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Besides the hacking thing, look at our computers now. They aren't really all that reliable.



No, you've got it all wrong. Computers are much more reliable than you think. It's your shitty Microsoft Windows Operating System that everything is running on top of that isn't reliable, and that's easily, freely and quickly replaceable.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: dedjam]
    #5649591 - 05/19/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't use that shit either bro I was just making the point on anxiety lol


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5649608 - 05/19/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think chips/implants/body mods/etc are all very cool and I hope I am alive long enough to see them become a reality.

The idea of somehow being able to interface with a computer to expand your knoweldge/intelelgence or increase your physical ability is something that I find very appealing and interesting.

Being able to 'jack-in' and download any information/know-how that you need as an on-need baises, very interesting. Its a pipe dream that is a LOOONG ways off, and i'll probably be dead long before it comes around, but hey - theres always reincarnation :P


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: TurricaN]
    #5649625 - 05/19/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yep look at gaming consoles...very rarely do they crash...because the software is for 1 not ms garbage(well I guess thats completely false considering the xbox is made by microsoft...well they don't actually make the hardware but they def make software for it) :laugh: and 2 its designed for the specific hardware...any time u have a fixed system like that u are gonna have a very high reliability rate


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: kaniz]
    #5649639 - 05/19/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think nano technology could be the future of all desease control...but I really don't know much about it...I guess I'm hoping it will be cause I think the current system of throwing chemicals at problems until something sticks is flawed at best


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5650692 - 05/19/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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yep look at gaming consoles...very rarely do they crash...because the software is for 1 not ms garbage(well I guess thats completely false considering the xbox is made by microsoft...well they don't actually make the hardware but they def make software for it) :laugh: and 2 its designed for the specific hardware...any time u have a fixed system like that u are gonna have a very high reliability rate



This is not just about whether the hardware is fixed.  Yes, of course, that helps, but Linux-based systems are even more diverse than Windows-based PC's (since Linux runs on any PC plus just about everything else there is), and yet they have an excellent reliability on ANY hardware.


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Re: The futuristic hallucinogen [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5650793 - 05/19/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm... I am afraid clarification is needed, although I wonder if it is really possible to clarify such an issue... Although paranoia is not *in and of itself* necessary for spiritual experience, learning how to accept the mental/physical feelings that lead to paranoia is an essential part of self-discovery that cannot be bypassed, in my opinion. ...If you do not experience hell, and know only heaven, you only understand one side of an elementary duality. The pleasure derived from such drugs as MDMA is not transcendence, whether the drug is a good treatment for PTSD or not. It is, again, one feeling in a totality of many more.


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