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I've got a question!
    #5645364 - 05/18/06 07:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hrm...I'm new here. I've done a lot of browsing around this site, this board, and many similar ones, and haven't found the answer I'm looking for, so I'm bringing it to the kind, mushroom loving members of this board.

Will innoculating directly into the ground work? I plan on using a popular outdoor Tek, but all I can find suggest using old cakes, or spawn, or agar in the outdoor bed. I'm trying to skip this step. The way I see it is this: mushrooms in the wild drop spores, and as long as the enviromental elements are right, they grow. So, if I stacked the enviromental elements in the mushroom's favor and inoculate the 'shroom bed, why wouldn't it work?

So, to shorten my question: If I prepare an outdoor bed and inoculate it directly will it work? If not, why not?

Also, I look forward to being a regular member of this board, and bothering you all with shit-tons more stupid questions!


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645394 - 05/18/06 07:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What type of mushrooms? Cubensis doesn't grow in the ground, it grows on cow/horse poo. You can try and inoculate some crap but there are much better ways to do it.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5645418 - 05/18/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It seems to me that any wood-loving shroom should do well in a wood bed.

More specifically I've looked into (only two for now) P. Cyanescens and P Azurescens.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645483 - 05/18/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Obviously you lied about your prior searching for an answer.

That would be a great way to waste spores. BUT it might just ghetto work.

There are more professional ways of going about it, than pissing spores into the wind.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5645515 - 05/18/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

it could work. people are jsut saying there are much better ways of doing it. the amount of spores you would need for a large out door bed would be very much if you are not already growing and gathering spores. you could try doing a small bed the way you are saying. or you could just use the small amount of spores (that you get for very cheap or free) to inoculate a number of different substrates (what ever is best for you). you can inoculate PF cakes, grain based substrates, agar, liquid culture and many other substrates. the step of inoculating a substrate would be beneficial because you can then spawn it to larger amounts of substrate to expand the mycelium and/or spawn it to larger amounts of the substrate that is to be used outdoors. good luck. i did done some really basic outdoor grows when i first started growing and many methods seem to work. i would say jsut experiment with it and try to imitate nature and things seem to work out. good luck


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5645577 - 05/18/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Dear Edgekrusher, don't be a douche bag. Just because I knew strains doesn't mean I knew the answer to my specific question. Also, I don't see how trying something that may or may not work is "pissing spores in the wind". I understand fully that there are well devised, proven ways to do this, but I was curious as to wether or not something would work. But have a wonderful day of being a prick. I'm sure it works well for you.

LochRaven, thanks! I kinda figure I'm going to have to grow indoors, with substrates, and such, but I'd like to avoid it, if I can.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645641 - 05/18/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Slow your roll, bro. I made no personal attack on you. If you'd creep around the board a bit, you would have noticed your question has been asked a hundred times. In fact jump on the search engine and see for yourself.

The search engine, as you will find, is an invaluable tool. I guarantee you it can answer 90% of all your questions, without you even having to ask them. Read the F&Q concerning the search engine if you have any questions concerning its operation.

Don't think I'm calling you names, or insulting your intelligence. I'm sure most people who don't know jack about mycology assume you can just squirt spores on the ground and get growth. I know I did when I first started. You're not stupid just because you don't know how to cultivate mushrooms

look around though. Outdoor grows are most deffinitely possible and there are even guided teks on them. But like I said, spraying them on dirt has the same chances of growing as pissing em in the wind. Sorry if the metaphore upset you, but it's valid. You'd have more of a chance if you'd spawn into your prepared bed with colonized culture.

Now if you still want to call me names, you're a dumbass who doesn't deserve my rough criticism. You can act like a big baby by yourself. I'm not visiting this thread anymore until you grow up a bit.

Good day.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5645666 - 05/18/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

But how are you going to know if I grew up if you're not coming back?

I understand what you're saying, and I maybe did jump the gun on jumping down your back. I have looked around, and I've read the outdoor teks, they all suggest putting some sort of spawn in the outdoor bed, I just wanted to know if this step could be skipped. I've checked the Shroomery FAQ as well as all the things about outdoor cultivation (I will admit, I didn't thoroughly search the board) and I didn't find the answer to my question.

Also, I don't see how "just squirting them on the ground" can have zero effect, seeing as that's basically how mushrooms grow in nature.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645673 - 05/18/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery...

I hope that you enjoy your stay!~

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You and Edgekrusher really need to stop the bickering.

I can't tell what Edgekrusher has edited out from his 1st post...
and I really don't care at this point.

But stop the argueing!~

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645694 - 05/18/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The way I see it is this: mushrooms in the wild drop spores, and as long as the enviromental elements are right, they grow. So, if I stacked the enviromental elements in the mushroom's favor and inoculate the 'shroom bed, why wouldn't it work?





If it were that simple, mushrooms in the wild would be much more abundant then they are and we probably wouldn't need to cultivate indoors. Mushrooms drop millions of spores, yet you can search an entire cow field after a good rain and not find any. Most mushroom you do find are connected to a large underground mycelial network that has already established itself and produces fruits when the conditions are just right. I'd say most spores in the wild never get a chance to germinate.

Trying to create ideal conditions for spores to germinate and continue colonizing outdoors might be tougher than you think.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5645701 - 05/18/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Road the referee! :grin:

Hey Road, I did some dolphin fishing a couple weeks ago, check out the pics in my gallery!  I know you are a fellow fisherman, so I thought you might enjoy them! :thumbup:


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645726 - 05/18/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry for the bickering.

Thanks for the advice. I see your point, and you now have me leaning towards this being a waste of effort.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645729 - 05/18/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That's the spirit! :thumbup:


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645735 - 05/18/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey Road, I did some dolphin fishing a couple weeks ago, check out the pics in my gallery!  I know you are a fellow fisherman, so I thought you might enjoy them! :thumbup:




Very nice pics bro!~

Yes I am an Avid fisherman.

I wish we had Mahi Mahi up here...
I love eating blackened Mahi Mahi...one of my favorite dishes!~

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back on topic...



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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5645741 - 05/18/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No, I say we stay on the fishing topic, 'cause now I'm interested in the idea of going dolphin fishing!


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645745 - 05/18/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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No, I say we stay on the fishing topic, 'cause now I'm interested in the idea of going dolphin fishing!




It's your thread...

we can talk fishin all day!~

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5645746 - 05/18/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Fuckin' a!

The only kind of fishing I ever get to do is bass/perch and other such shitty unexciting fish (lakes/rivers of Northern VA). The idea of fishing for dolphins had never even crossed my mind, but I think I've got a new life goal.

Life goals as of current:
1) Kick the living shit out of Jeff Foxworthy
2) Kick the living shit out of my boss.
3) Fish for dolphins. (Is it still considered fishing since dolphins aren't fish?)

It's amazing what I'll post on a message board to avoid doing work.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5645747 - 05/18/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Lol! We ought to start a fishin forum. :thumbup:


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645750 - 05/18/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Why? I've already given you a kick ass outdoor growing/fishing thread.





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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645753 - 05/18/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The dolphins we're talking about are fish, also known as Mahi Mahi.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645804 - 05/18/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The only kind of fishing I ever get to do is bass/perch and other such shitty unexciting fish




Bass can be pretty damn exciting too! I love both salt and fresh water fishing. Hooking into any bass over a couple pounds is exciting in my book!



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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645844 - 05/18/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Lol! We ought to start a fishin forum. :thumbup:





Yeah we should.

We have alot of fishermen here at the Shroomery.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5645871 - 05/18/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Both posts were edited before anyone viewed them. Just me having my stoned moments.

Had no idea I was "bickering". My bad.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5645879 - 05/18/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thank you!~

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now back to fishin!~

lolzz


9 1/2 pound Bass (hen) that was caught at Beaver Lake....



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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5645884 - 05/18/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Calling names such as "dumbass" would be considered bickering in my book. I don't see anything wrong with friendly debate myself, but name calling won't help anything.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645891 - 05/18/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah! Dumb ass.

That thing looks nothing like a dolphin at all. I'm slightly disapointed.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5645894 - 05/18/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That's a freakin monster Road! :thumbup:

My biggest was 6.5lbs, but I didn't have my digi with me when I caught it (of course) :rolleyes:. The everglades are stockpiled with bass because nobody eats them south of Lake Okeechobee due to pollution.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645901 - 05/18/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The only sizeable lake in my area is overfished to no end, so I'm lucky if I catch a perch or two in a few hours of fishing. I like bigger lakes 'cause I don't have a boat, but I don't mind walking, so if I walk to a secluded(sp?) enough area of the lake I can still get high and fish.

Luckily my girlfriend and I just scored a river lot for DIRT


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645904 - 05/18/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah!  Dumb ass.




:nonono:

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That thing looks nothing like a dolphin at all.  I'm slightly disapointed.




Hook into a big one and you won't be disappointed! Eat one and you'll be in love! Mahi Mahi has some of the least fishy tasting meat you'll find in a fish. It's like chicken! :grin:


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645907 - 05/18/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The only sizeable lake in my area is overfished to no end, so I'm lucky if I catch a perch or two in a few hours of fishing. I like bigger lakes 'cause I don't have a boat, but I don't mind walking, so if I walk to a secluded(sp?) enough area of the lake I can still get high and fish.

Luckily my girlfriend and I just scored a river lot that we can use, as long as we do upkeep (hence me asking about outdoor beds!). I haven't tried the fishing there yet, but I'm headed there this weekend.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645908 - 05/18/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I said if you want to call me names, THEN you're a dumbass.

I agree that name calling is unnecessary. I just alluded to such. I had no argumentive strength in me whatsoever. I already apologized for my bad, but whatever.

Beaver Lake in Arkansas?

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5645913 - 05/18/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I like the name "Beaver Lake".

It makes me laugh.

A lot more than it should.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645914 - 05/18/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Get yourself a canoe or john boat for those lakes. I found my canoe on craigslist for $50 in great condition. I bolted on a little trolling motor and I'm in business!


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645919 - 05/18/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah! Dumb ass.





wow, looks like we pulled in a keeper. Another fine member of the OMC.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645921 - 05/18/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, they rent boats there, and every time I go I consider renting one, but am usually too cheap/broke to do so.


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    #5645927 - 05/18/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sports Academy (located in 10 states) is having a big sale on the Old Town Canoes. These are some awesome kevlar babies, and they've been letting them go for under $250 new. They're changing their catalouge, and won't be having Old Towns anymore. I suggest you check the place out if you have one in your town.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645930 - 05/18/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Do whatever you can. Those bass pics were all taken in a backyard lake, just standing on the edge. You mostly catch 1-2 pounders, but evry now and then, you'll get a whopper like the ones in the pics. I watched a weigh-in for an everglades bass tournament about a month ago and some of these guys had 4-5 bass that were ALL over 5 lbs each. THAT'S FISHING! :smile:


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Anonotron]
    #5645932 - 05/18/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay people, this thread has gotten way off topic. There is a lot of flaming going on as well. Either get back on topic and stop the flaming or I will close this thread down. Let's try and be civil here please. Thank you.

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    #5645933 - 05/18/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Sports Academy (located in 10 states) is having a big sale on the Old Town Canoes.  These are some awesome kevlar babies, and they've been letting them go for under $250 new.  They're changing their catalouge, and won't be having Old Towns anymore.  I suggest you check the place out if you have one in your town.




:thumbup:

I was shopping at Bass Pro and I saw a nice 14 footer going for $300 new with paddles.


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    #5645938 - 05/18/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Okay people, this thread has gotten way off topic. There is a lot of flaming going on as well. Either get back on topic and stop the flaming or I will close this thread down. Let's try and be civil here please. Thank you.




I agree with the flaming, but RK kind of let us open this up to a fishing discussion. I'm sure most of us would appreciate you letting it ride out for a while. It's not often that we can discuss fishing here.


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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645943 - 05/18/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, nice. I've never been much of a fisher myself. I work on a campground/canoe rental so theres always lots of fishing going on around me, but I just haven't taken too much advantage yet. Too busy canoeing and kayaking.

The reason I ask if it was Beaver Lake in Arkansas though is because I use to spear fish in it. Back when it had water that is. With all this drought we've had this year, its too pretty low. But thats my idea of fishing. Actually going out and hunting the things with a loaded spear gun.

Otherwise, bring the beer. Because fishing sober is like hunting... sober

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5645947 - 05/18/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

no

Beaver Lake in Washington State.

in the new town of Sammamish...used to be in upper Issaquah.

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I almost had the Washington State record...for Large Mouth Bass.

I caught this large Bucket mouth at Lake Fenwick, I swear it was around 14 pounds...in Federal Way, Wa.

(Lake Fenwick is where the fishing pole company "Fenwick" was started)

I got the fucker up to the dock...and he jumped up and spit the lure out right in front of my face.

:crazy:


That really sucked...I wanted to be in the Record book.

Oh well...maybe someday!~



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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5645951 - 05/18/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Wronguy said:
Okay people, this thread has gotten way off topic. There is a lot of flaming going on as well. Either get back on topic and stop the flaming or I will close this thread down. Let's try and be civil here please. Thank you.




I think its under control. Nothing but fishing going on here.

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    #5645959 - 05/18/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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in the new town of Sammamish...used to be in upper Issaquah.





Wow, who in their right mind in this day and age would name a town Sammamish?  My guess is shrooms were involved.  :smile:

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    #5645965 - 05/18/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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But thats my idea of fishing.  Actually going out and hunting the things with a loaded spear gun.




That's definitely a cool way to fish, but most of the fishing I do is catch-and-release. I don't want to release the fish with man made gills :wink:

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Otherwise, bring the beer.  Because fishing sober is like hunting... sober




I agree on this fishing part, as far as hunting drunk.... :crazy: I'm scared to hang out with some of my buddies when they're drunk with loaded weapons in their hands! They do enough stupid shit without them! :grin:

Redneck's famous last words: "Hey guys, watch this!"


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    #5645992 - 05/18/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here is a 5 pounder I caught in the backyard lake:



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    #5646029 - 05/18/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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As far as hunting drunk.... :crazy: I'm scared to hang out with some of my buddies when they're drunk with loaded weapons in their hands! They do enough stupid shit without them! :grin:

Redneck's famous last words: "Hey guys, watch this!"




lol.  Too true.  I was just backwards quoting SouthPark.  The episode where their redneck uncle takes them hunting; rule number one is don't spill your beer.

"Hunting sober is like fishing.... sober" 

Then again, do you want a drunk redneck shooting at you, or a sober one.  I'm sure the latter has a better shot.  :wink:  .. I totally agree though.  Nothing quite ruins a good field party like someone pulling out a rifle and waving it about.  I feel uncomfortable around guns of any nature.  SHIT, fishing poles even scare me.  I'd hate to get poked in the eye by a worm on a rusty hook.  :grin:

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5646037 - 05/18/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Treble hooks are the worst. 4 barbs of fury! They will hook to anything, mainly any t-shirt that gets in their way! :blush:


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    #5646051 - 05/18/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just got a mental image of a medevil spiked club tied on the end of the line. Now fishing really freaks me out.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: FooMan]
    #5646452 - 05/18/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I agree with the flaming, but RK kind of let us open this up to a fishing discussion. I'm sure most of us would appreciate you letting it ride out for a while. It's not often that we can discuss fishing here.




As long as the thread starter doesn't mind the off-topic discussion, I'm okay with it. This is his thread, so I'll leave the decision up to him or her.

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Re: I've got a question! [Re: Wronguy]
    #5646467 - 05/18/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm for it!

Derailed threads are the best threads.


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