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Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up?
#5645271 - 05/18/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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And by waking up, I'm not talking about the moment that you go from the sleeping state to the waking state, but rather from the waking state to a superior state of awareness. This might be a feeling that is very similar to the feeling you have when you wake up in your bed, yet it isn't exactly the same.
Let's hear it!
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: soulcircus]
#5645340 - 05/18/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think waking up, in this case rising to a higher state of awareness, is a longer process with most people, like with me. Of course I am getting more aware of myself, the world and the supernatural things with every day, every trip, every interesting dream, but I don´t really realise the change, because I´m 24/7 in my body/my mind. It´s like parents often don´t realise how their own child is growing up, but when relatives come for a visit, they always say things like:"Oh, you´ve grown up sooo fast". Only when I look back and remember who I was in the past (only a shadow of the person that I am now) I can tell what it really means to wake up.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: soulcircus]
#5645775 - 05/18/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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the first time i felt like i was waking up was with marijuana, when i was a total newbie to drugs. each time that i would bring my awareness unto myself, i would feel almost exactly as if i was waking up from a dream, and i loved it! i was amazed by that feeling. i could make myself "wake up" every ten seconds or so. But that only happened the first few times that i smoked.
I think that marked the beginning of my interest in spirituality, along with my first shroom trip where i felt completely aware for the first time of my life.
Nowadays, I don't get that waking up feeling anymore, and i think its because i'm awake. But i'm still able to feel my degree of awareness grow when i meditate, and i totally understand that the most important part in meditation in perseverance. I'm curious as to where meditating can get me...
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Lord_Shiva]
#5645778 - 05/18/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lord_Shiva said: Only when I look back and remember who I was in the past (only a shadow of the person that I am now) I can tell what it really means to wake up.
I know what you mean.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: exclusive58]
#5645793 - 05/18/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm always wakin up
when what a really want
Is to get some bloody rest!
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: exclusive58]
#5645873 - 05/18/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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One became many... Many became one...
This went on and on, and on, and on and on, and on and on... ... ...
Then came the notion.. "One become many, many become one, AS MANY!" .. Thus merging, the many, AS the one..
I kind of think that notion, felt like waking up, ...
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Gomp]
#5645942 - 05/18/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Gomp]
#5645954 - 05/18/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sometimes when i'm sitting alone, staring at walls, quietly pondering over the fabrics of the intricate tapestry of existence, i'll feel as though i get a momentary glimpse of one of the colourful patterns embedded upon it (existence that is, not the wall ), perhaps with my third eye...? and this can feel very similar to waking up for me.
Or maybe not so much waking up as a temporary peep through my heavy eyelids, which then proceed to droop back down as i roll over and fall back to sleep...
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Gomp]
#5646091 - 05/18/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gomp said: One became many... Many became one...
This went on and on, and on, and on and on, and on and on... ... ...
Then came the notion.. "One become many, many become one, AS MANY!" .. Thus merging, the many, AS the one..
I kind of think that notion, felt like waking up, ...
:thumup:
you are the man, gomp
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: exclusive58]
#5646942 - 05/18/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just call me 'Neo!' I use The Matrix as metaphor all the time.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: exclusive58]
#5646945 - 05/18/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure, plenty of times. First time was on LSD
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Icelander]
#5647041 - 05/18/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Transparent opening-insidious-folding extas-clarity of there-allwhere-beingperceiving
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5649166 - 05/19/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I enjoy the Matrix comparison. I can see how that could work for you. Or even many people that take psychedelics tell me "After I took mushrooms that time it felt like we came back from the beach with a knowledge no one else had".
But as soon as the Matrix became a metaphor (and no longer the possible metamorphoses of an image) for me I tired of it and it became theory, a bad trip, something to which I returned without great enough insight.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Lakefingers]
#5649182 - 05/19/06 05:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, The Matrix has Buddhist elements according to some, but that is because many people went to the East mentally in order to find the same ideas that the Gnostics had in the West. The Architect is the Demiurge (Architect is a William Blake reference to The Ancient of Days - the Creator). The Oracle has certain references to Wisdom/Sophia. She has the sign in her kitchen "Temet Nosce"- Know Thyself - that which the Greek Oracle at Delphi passed on to Socrates and thence to Plato and the Gnostics. The Sun and Blue sky that Neo gets to see was clearly the creation of the True God, not the machine world of The Architects. Neo is called The One (anagram for Neo) and is clearly the savior sent by the True God, beyond the Demiurgic Architect. Neo means 'new,' as in covenant perhaps. His last name is Anderson - 'Ander' from 'andro' - man, and 'son' or 'son of man' - an epithet for the Savior.
There are many Gnostic symbols in The Matrix to be discovered. The Merovingian - takes his name from the so-called bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Some Gnostics saw those two as a 'syzygy' of 'Aeons' from the Godhead [Pleroma], the Supernal Father-Mother. They had a daughter Sarah from whom the Merovingians derive, suposedly. Anyway, there is a lot in the trilogy.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5649398 - 05/19/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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MarkosttheGnostic: do you know where I can find the architect/The Ancient of Days references in William Blake's prosepoetry? I have a book of his collected works, but the index is not extensive enough to find the particular poems... Know thyself, for thy cannot know thyself (I enjoy Bataille's implementation of this in his unsystematic theory of non-knowledge).
"Temet nosce" is Latin though. "γνώθι σεαυτόν" ("gnothi seauton") is what was probably written over the oracle at Delphi (this brings me into a tanget I'm very fond of: the translation of Greek thought into Latin and our inheritance of a Roman worldview that has warped and eroded the Greek). Interesting with the Latin is that we see the verb stem "nosc-", related to "scire", "scientia", "science" and means to see. It's possible that the "no-" on the beginning is related to "gno-", "know", "jna-", "can", "ken" (these are related). in the Greek the connection to gnosis is obvious: gnothi seauton (via "(gi)gno(skein)" = "to know"). Interesting also to note, how the bureaucratic, analytical latin "seeing" and "knowing" came to be associated with analytical science and knowledge (that often excludes gnosis), whereas "gnosis" encompasses knowings such as science. Something was lost in translation.
I made the Andersson connection (I wasn't sure of its factuality though) and the architect I've thought about a lot (especially on LSD for mystical reasons, recently this idea roamed wild in my head and became part of an elaborate delusional conspiracy, which I'd really like to discuss with people that I value and trust the integrity and life experience of). Blue sun...
Thanks for revealing some layers behind the symbolism in the Matrix. I knew it was there, but I haven't bothered exploring as fact by reading up on it.
Have you read Heidegger's "Poetry, Language, Thought"? I recommend the last essay in the book "...Poetically Man Dwells...", pages 213-229. This is not directly related to our discussion, but I'm sure you have the ability to make something interesting of this text (especially in the context of Philosophy, Spirituality and the Matrix [which ever of the many matrixes this may be]). Towards the polygon in this Deleuzian pick-up method.
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Vista
When far the dwelling life of man into the distance goes, Where, in that far distance, the grapevine's season glows, There too are summer's fields, emptied of their growing, And forest looms, its image darkly showing. That Nature paints the seasons so complete, That she abides, but they glide by so fleet, Comes of perfection; then heaven's radiant height Crowns man, as blossoms crown the trees, with light.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Lakefingers]
#5650519 - 05/19/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I haven't read that of Heidegger, but it is interesting that Hans Jonas who wrote Gnostic Religion back in the 50s, was a student of Heidegger, and Jonas' understanding of the Gnostic worldview still remains the leading position (Tobias Churton in Gnostic Philosophy compares Jonas to Elaine Pagels, and favors Jonas in a very very good read on Gnosticism [maybe the best I've read]).
Here is Blake's 1794 painting entitled 'Ancient of Days' (God as an Architect) that is housed in the British Museum.
Interesting - your interest in language and etymology.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: exclusive58]
#5650552 - 05/19/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I 'woke up' some time last summer. I had actually had my first hardcore job experience getting up early every day to work for the rich boss who sits in his office and benefits from everybody else's work (of course we benefit from the paycheck he gives us). I realized how important it is to do what I want to do instead of doing what others let me do. I've got one life and that's something I can't squander.
I told myself that I wouldn't be working for anybody ever again. I have a year left of college then I'm out to make my own life. I'm not a kid anymore. Its grownup time. Responsibility. Freedom.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5656777 - 05/21/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, I'm going to explore Jonas' book. Ancient of Days. It is a nice day of ancientness.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Lakefingers]
#5656794 - 05/21/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I belive it is a change of blood sugar and your brain still booting up after wakeing.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Lakefingers]
#5657275 - 05/21/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry...unclear statement. Churton's book is a very good read. In it, he compares Pagels to Jonas re: their respective definitions of Gnosticism. Jonas book is a classic, albeit rather dry. Pagels is a more modern author and a Princeton scholar. Churton seems to be a rather bright guy. He schooled in Oxford but is not a trained theologian or philosopher. Nevertheless, I recommend his book[s].
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: mikeownow]
#5659055 - 05/22/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mikeownow said: I belive it is a change of blood sugar and your brain still booting up after wakeing.
That might be a correct explanation of the chemical level, but is it a true explanation?
Even if your explanation is correct it provides nothing in explaining (or leaving room for) how the awakening is experienced.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5659085 - 05/22/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you remember ever falling asleep? And not just metaphorically, by the way. I remember laying in my bed to sleep a long time ago, then I blinked and it was day, and I was wide awake..
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: yelimS]
#5659088 - 05/22/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yelimS said: Can you remember ever falling asleep? And not just metaphorically, by the way. I remember laying in my bed to sleep a long time ago, then I blinked and it was day, and I was wide awake..
When I go to sleep I go through stages. I get really hyper and roll around and flip and stuff. Then I get this stoned feeling. Then I get light headed. Then everything gets hazy then I start to dream. And come to repeat.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: Lakefingers]
#5659094 - 05/22/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lakefingers said:
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mikeownow said: I belive it is a change of blood sugar and your brain still booting up after wakeing.
That might be a correct explanation of the chemical level, but is it a true explanation?
Even if your explanation is correct it provides nothing in explaining (or leaving room for) how the awakening is experienced.
I do not know much about the wakeing prossess. But I do know after a long night sleep you fasted for a wile wich is why break fast is called that. You break the fast. So untill you eat ur like a crazy person =P so to speek but you get used to the instable mind and controll it however you are much much more testy and easly agrovated.
Anyway I have no clue what the hell I am talking about anymore.. shit
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: mikeownow]
#5729591 - 06/09/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thus the beginning of a new era (fractal-spiral) erupted.
From the very depths of mind and matter, the notion of unity of separation appeared as clear as day. The progress of waking up discovered itself. The process of waking up, was pinged.
The self responded by throwing into the void 'the' new concept of karmic satisfaction. Life as a God amongst many was discarded for the idea of plural oneness.
The void reflected the feeling of desolation and confusion, as the self tries to scrutinize the abhorrence of clear empty space.
The self recognizes the all to ordinary, run-of-the-mill astonishment for the deliberately unforeseen recognition of recognition. The panic is almost able to entice itself and disappear, but the age-old error of believing and being convinced of being born yesterday ... of being at all ... magnetized itself and manifested as a personification of itself - as panic.
Panic almost fled, but it didn't believe that it feared - so in fear of losing itself, it lost the departion of itself.
And so it was, that the ever so bona fide face of terror started its revolution, to come to the next revelation of revealing the way it reveals what never can be seen. The non-existing existence, the gigantic concept of eternally small waves, fractals and measuring devices - spun itself into view of the bright, blue and shimmering 3 eyed monster of reality.
I think.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: slaphappy]
#5729700 - 06/09/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can relate to your description of stages Mike.
One experience in particular i had that will stay with me for a long time was trying to get to sleep after about 10hrs tripping on LSD. It was kind of like when you were a little kid on christmas eve, thinking to yourself all i have to do is FALL ASLEEP and i wont notice time pass and suddenly it will be morning! Well i followed this way of thinking for a while, consciously trying to not consciously think of anything (terrbile thing to get into), and i eventually got to the point where i was visualizing my mind change it's state of consciousness. It was as if i could see the neural networks my thought processes were firing along, which looked a bit like when the phone booth goes haywire spiralling through time in 'bill and ted's excellent adventure'. This ultimately didn't put me to sleep as it was far too intriguing to ignore and i think i finally passed out from mental fatigue.
Anyway, was a crazy trip and i thought it might be at least remotely relevant.
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: soma_seeker]
#5729927 - 06/09/06 07:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Soma_seeker ...
Did you see me in there?
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Re:‹^›‹(o¿o)›‹^› [Re: slaphappy]
#5729946 - 06/09/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gomp said: "One became many... Many became one...
This went on and on, and on, and on and on, and on and on... ... ...
Then came the notion.. "One become many, many become one, AS MANY!" .. Thus merging, the many, AS the one..
I kind of think that notion, felt like waking up, ...""
thums up Gomp..
I have a problem with "1". Why not begin with "none"
1+1 ='s 2
but
0+0 ='s 0
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: slaphappy]
#5730411 - 06/09/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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slaphappy said: Thus the beginning of a new era (fractal-spiral) erupted.
From the very depths of mind and matter, the notion of unity of separation appeared as clear as day. The progress of waking up discovered itself. The process of waking up, was pinged.
The self responded by throwing into the void 'the' new concept of karmic satisfaction. Life as a God amongst many was discarded for the idea of plural oneness.
The void reflected the feeling of desolation and confusion, as the self tries to scrutinize the abhorrence of clear empty space.
The self recognizes the all to ordinary, run-of-the-mill astonishment for the deliberately unforeseen recognition of recognition. The panic is almost able to entice itself and disappear, but the age-old error of believing and being convinced of being born yesterday ... of being at all ... magnetized itself and manifested as a personification of itself - as panic.
Panic almost fled, but it didn't believe that it feared - so in fear of losing itself, it lost the departion of itself.
And so it was, that the ever so bona fide face of terror started its revolution, to come to the next revelation of revealing the way it reveals what never can be seen. The non-existing existence, the gigantic concept of eternally small waves, fractals and measuring devices - spun itself into view of the bright, blue and shimmering 3 eyed monster of reality.
I think.
This post is excellent in my mind. It's a rock on a roll.
And I agree with Schwammel. As Frog would say; "zero-point field".
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Re: Have you ever had the sensation that you are waking up? [Re: exclusive58]
#5743039 - 06/12/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I once took mushrooms and hiked up a tall rock formation in the desert. A light summer rain had started to fall, and upon reaching the top, I sat and meditated for a while. The meditation periods felt very much like dreams to me, and there was a definitive *break* in my perception when I'd come out of them--a break just as palpable as waking up in the morning.
The rest of the trip, just wandering around the desert and loving the plants and insects, I felt entirely like I was dreaming, and felt the possibility and imminence of an "awakening." I didn't experience the awakening itself--just felt the conditionality of "all this" and the possibility of wider view, I guess
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