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InvisibleChampion des Champignons
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who is the "better" person?
    #564452 - 02/27/02 02:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

People think "K" is such a "nice guy" because he doesn't lie, treats people with respect, is helpful, generous etc, but to be honest I think the only reason he behaves this way is because it never occurs to him to do anything else.
Who is the better person, the person who chooses to be "good" even when he would rather do otherwise, or the person who never even thinks of being "bad"?


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #564465 - 02/27/02 03:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

the person who does what he wants to do and not what he thinks he "should" do.. the good person who wants to be good, the bad person who wants to be bad, they're both on the right track.. although i'd rather be friends with the good person.


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Amoeba665]
    #564467 - 02/27/02 03:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

but the "good" person doesn't WANT to be good, what he wants to do just happens to be the "good" thing to do.
Is a person whose nature is to be good actually a "good" person any more than a lion is "bad" for killing antelopes (in the opinion of the antelopes that is:)?


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #564470 - 02/27/02 03:20 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

What I'm getting at is is it logical to praise something for behaving according to its nature be it "good" or "bad"? Should you praise a cow for eating grass?


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #564471 - 02/27/02 03:21 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

no.. that's why i said, they're both on the right track. they're completely relative terms, who can say what is a good action and what is a bad action? of course we all have our preferences, but who are we to judge? we don't know everything. just do what feels right to you and don't let yourself believe that something feels right just because someone says its right - whether it's giving to charity or shoplifting - and you'll be fine. maybe later you'll change your mind, but then you know what actions to take in the future..


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #564475 - 02/27/02 03:24 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

thats a good point.. but i think the nature of praise really is positive reinforcement, what that persons nature is is really irrelevant, the important thing is, is what their doing in line with your own nature? if the cow eating grass is in line with your own opinion or beneficial to you, then you should praise it because it will hopefully encourage the cow to continue eating grass.

(this part i just edited in)
to answer your question (forgot to do that.) if everyone knew how to trust their instincts, and form their own opinions, then yes it would be illogical to praise people for acting according to their nature. but people don't act according to their nature, they act according to what their environment has trained them to believe is the best way to act. and some people out there are going to take advantage of that and manipulate people, so.. if it's in your nature at all to care about the world around you and the way it grows and changes, then you should offer praise to people for doing things that is in your nature (or their nature, if that's your nature to help people act according to their own nature)..

hmm. did that make sense? sometimes i say things that don't make sense.


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #564496 - 02/27/02 04:06 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I think a person who resists being bad is the better person because circumstances can change and the good guy could easily become bad and not question his badness, the bad guy has a very admirable quality in that he doesnt just jump into any situation, he thinks about it first and then comes to a decision.


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #564574 - 02/27/02 08:44 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

There is no better. Who would set the standards?

If you're asking who is more likely to become an asshole, then I have no clue.



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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: missulena]
    #564576 - 02/27/02 08:47 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yes but sitiuations could come up which dictate a quick, instinctual response. I'd rather be with someone who is inherently good than someone who is inherently bad but just pretending to be good.


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #564631 - 02/27/02 10:25 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Karma is baggage.
Good, evil, it matters not.
Baggage is Baggage.


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Seuss]
    #564772 - 02/27/02 01:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Seuss: Very Yoda like words!  I like :wink:

Anyone who turns out good in the end is ok with me.  Although I have to say I too would rather associate with folks who are naturally "good".  I dont really like the thought of associating with "pretenders".  But what do I know?  Maybe I'm a pretender............damn, now I have a headache! :smile: 


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Re: who is the "better" person? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #565968 - 02/28/02 04:57 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm pretty much with amoeba. Since good and bad are subjective terms, the person who is enjoying their time here on earth and is happiest would be the more successful. I know that I'm not happy when I'm doing a bunch of "good" shit I don't want to do. And when I'm happier, I'm easier to get along with, so I guess in the popular opinion most of the time it would be the one who follows his "basic instinct" anyway because he or she will be the happier person and in the end probably give more of a carefree vibe and in turn be more enjoyable to be around.


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