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OfflineLegalize247
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Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs
    #5644015 - 05/17/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My friend takes haldal and he is ok but when he takes shrooms he is totally normal for say a day. I thought this is weird and Im curios to hear responses.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: Legalize247]
    #5645273 - 05/18/06 05:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Can you describe your friend's symptoms? He may not have schizophrenia at all.

Are you familar with panic disorder? Severe panic attacks can make you feel like you're going crazy, but it differs from psychosis.

Haldol tends to be one of the those drugs doctors sometimes give just to shut patients up. It's great at stopping anxiety, but it also kills all emotions and higher cognitive functions.


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    #5645274 - 05/18/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: soulcircus]
    #5646966 - 05/18/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe we're all just schizophrenic and he is the sane one?  :penguinmonkey:


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: soulcircus]
    #5647784 - 05/18/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

soulcircus I would say your right on the money. When he takes shrooms he becomes outgoing and is at a much higher conciousness. It seems like his brain is all there where when he is not on shrooms it seems like he is not all there.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: Legalize247]
    #5647832 - 05/18/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe he should post here. I'd like to hear from him directly.

What exactly is it that you want to know?


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: BloodNOil]
    #5647916 - 05/18/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He can't think straight when he's not on shrooms but when he is on them he can completly act normal. He is very paraniod and fearfull when not on shrooms but when he takes them for the next say 24hrs he is completely at ease without any fear, thinking clear.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: Legalize247]
    #5648564 - 05/19/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There's a theory that some types of shizophrenia are caused by elevated levels of DMT released from the pineal gland into the brain. I would be willing to guess that your friend may actually have unusually low levels of DMT in his brain, and that the tryptamine (psilocybin) from the shrooms causes him to feel more normal because it acts as a sort of replacement or filler for the low levels of DMT. So while he's tripping it gives him the feeling of being normal which gives him a somewhat positive frame of mind. That's just my own crazy guess, though.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: Legalize247]
    #5648701 - 05/19/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Legalize247 said:
soulcircus I would say your right on the money. When he takes shrooms he becomes outgoing and is at a much higher conciousness. It seems like his brain is all there where when he is not on shrooms it seems like he is not all there.




Obviously I don't know the guy so I can't say this for sure, but it sounds like he has some clinical depression issues maybe (Haldol makes depression worse but helps with anxiety). People with schizophrenia usually get intense audio hallucinations ("voices") and paranoid delusions.

I have panic attacks that I have to take meds for. Anybody that's had a serious one knows what I'm talking about- they make you feel like you're losing your mind.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: monamine]
    #5649260 - 05/19/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You would expect the opposite.

A lot hallucinogens are considered "psychotomimetic" that is, they seem to mimic natural psychosis.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: badchad]
    #5649397 - 05/19/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, this is an exspectable responce according to the particular nature of his actual condition.
I think he should consider trying a low dose and maybe in combination with 2-4 grams of syrian rue or other organic maoi to extend the therapeutic benefit.
See the psilocybe medicine thread articles, i think page 6?: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1581935/page/5/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: badchad]
    #5649402 - 05/19/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What kind of mushroom dosage must your friend take for the effects to be helpful? What happens if he takes a minimal dosage, say 250mg to 500mg of dry p. cubensis? If monamine is correct, I would expect a very low dosage to work as well as a large dosage.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: Seuss]
    #5649413 - 05/19/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It does, but you very quickly enter the realm of individual posology (dosing&frequency) and that's wht has to be refined. Too much/too frequent can bring on crisis type symptoms but the right combo can be helpful while other modalities are explored/incorporated.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: curenado]
    #5649496 - 05/19/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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No, this is an exspectable responce according to the particular nature of his actual condition.





Admittedly, I didn't look through the entire thread (over 10 pages). Was there any information in there concerning schizophrenia and psilocybin?

I'm sure you're aware that all the info on immune response, antiviral, and cluster headache effects are much different than schizophrenia. I've never seen any peer-reviewed, recent research suggesting the opposite. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

EDIT: for instance check out the following info:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...l=pubmed_docsum

do a pubmed search and cross reference "psilocybin" and "schizophrenia". All the reports are similar to the above one.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: badchad]
    #5649566 - 05/19/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

<<Admittedly, I didn't look through the entire thread (over 10 pages). Was there any information in there concerning schizophrenia and psilocybin?>>

on page 6 (I believe) is the article about psychiatry and neurotropic medicine. It is not specific to schizophrenia but does have something to say.

<<Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places>>

Public Medicine is always the wrong place....
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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: Legalize247]
    #5649684 - 05/19/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Legalize247 said:
He can't think straight when he's not on shrooms but when he is on them he can completly act normal. He is very paraniod and fearfull when not on shrooms but when he takes them for the next say 24hrs he is completely at ease without any fear, thinking clear.




Does he take mushrooms often? What dose does he use? Why does he
not come and post about it himself? I'm sure he must have some
insights of his own.

Is he psychotic? Does he hallucinate when he's not on drugs? Or is
he neurotic, which would match the fearful and paranoid description?

What does his doctor (who I presume perscribed him the
tranquilizer) have to say about his mushroom usage?


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: BloodNOil]
    #5651896 - 05/19/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He takes mushrooms every week if not more. He learned to grow them for self medication purposes. I think he hallucinates and has thoughts that are not true when he is not on mushrooms. By taking the mushrooms he remains in the normal realm/mindstate.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: Seuss]
    #5651900 - 05/19/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

To Seuss - he takes anywhere from 8 grams over a 12hr period of super potent cubes. The cubes are grown with 3jars of millet per square foot of a 6inch deep substrate of horsepoo/straw.The effects he claims last for as long as 2 days of piece from the evil thoughts that haunt him.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: badchad]
    #5652283 - 05/20/06 03:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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A lot hallucinogens are considered "psychotomimetic" that is, they seem to mimic natural psychosis.




Not really. There are extreme differences between serotongeric psychedelics (LSD,etc) and the common types of psychosis experienced by schizoprenics. That's why hardly anyone in the medical community refers to them as "psychotomimetics" anymore. And the drug induced "model psychosis" theory has lost steam as well.


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Re: Shrooms Cure my friends Schitzophrenia for 24hrs [Re: monamine]
    #5652557 - 05/20/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are still similarities. Take a look at one of the leading researcher's in the field, and what he has to say. David Nichols's recent review (2004).

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=6318

Heres a key sentence from the abstract: "These findings have led to comparisons of the effects of classical hallucinogens with certain aspects of acute psychosis "

So I'll rephrase and say hallucinogens mimic "certain aspects" of psychosis. However, as you stated, there are important differences.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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