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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#5643648 - 05/17/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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MAybe he has. ANd back to the point?
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: stemmer]
#5643659 - 05/17/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: Do what you will............. Some people would be able to be with this guy and help him along the way. He might even be able to be helped. No reason to be there with a guy who has killed someone(not unrealistic), and take shrooms with him though.
If he is really your friend, a 12 pack and some buds should do you just fine if you choose to be there. If you dont know anything about mushrooms I dont know what purpose that would serve either though.
Didn't Timothy Leary give shrooms to violent criminals during an experiment?
-------------------- [quote]Asante said: You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar. You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason. I disendorse you.[/quote]
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THE KRAT BARON
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: stemmer]
#5643671 - 05/17/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: MAybe he has. ANd back to the point?

-------------------- m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#5643677 - 05/17/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK.........well if he did(leary) it would serve a similare purpose.
This is about the guy who is wondering about tripping with a gang member, not me and my ideas as to how much he could help this clown while tripping. SO what was that fake-RA?
Edited by stemmer (05/17/06 08:57 PM)
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THE KRAT BARON
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#5643683 - 05/17/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: Do what you will............. Some people would be able to be with this guy and help him along the way. He might even be able to be helped. No reason to be there with a guy who has killed someone(not unrealistic), and take shrooms with him though.
If he is really your friend, a 12 pack and some buds should do you just fine if you choose to be there. If you dont know anything about mushrooms I dont know what purpose that would serve either though.
Didn't Timothy Leary give shrooms to violent criminals during an experiment?
Timothy Leary was also a government informant, go figure.
-------------------- m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#5643684 - 05/17/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v04n4/04422con.html
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The study, involving 32 inmates given psilocybin two to five times each in small group sessions in 1961-63, has most certainly been "publicly acknowledged" and described at length in dozens of books and articles since the early 1960s. Some of the books are still in print and most can be found on the shelves of public libraries or in used book stores. Among them, both Leary's High Priest (1968) and his autobiography Flashbacks (1985) include lengthy, detailed accounts of the study.
It is misleading to name Leary alone as the person in charge of the study. In fact it was a carefully designed and responsibly administered group project involving several of his colleagues and graduate students at Harvard, state prison officials and even the inmates themselves, whose input was encouraged. Furthermore the study was begun and essentially finished before Leary became controversial for his work with LSD.
NONE OF THE INMATES was lied to or misled about the possible effects of psilocybin, good or bad. All were volunteers screened in advance using tests that ruled out anyone with serious mental illnesses. As Leary stated in High Priest, the "first thing we did was to tell the prisoners as much as we could about the psychedelic experience. We brought in books for them to read, reports by other subjects, articles which described the terrors as well as the ecstasies of the experience." They were told in plain language: "Nothing in this project is going to be a secret. Weve told you everything we know about the drugs before you take them and well tell you everything we know about you after you finish the sessions". Numerous other authors have confirmed this crucial point about the prison study.
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IN SHORT, THE DRUG HELPED inmates achieve a "conversion experience" by disrupting, at least temporarily, their dysfunctional patterns of thought and behavior. Such patterns are the reason that most prisoners end up in jail again only one or two years after being released. By making the inmates more open to new possibilities psilocybin effectively pointed them in the direction of choosing to break this recidivist cycle. Their resistance to change had been strong but the drug was strong medicine.
-------------------- [quote]Asante said: You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar. You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason. I disendorse you.[/quote]
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#5643690 - 05/17/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This was about a friend taking drugs with a violent friend.
Id say no, get some beer and ride it out with them if you FEEL like it.....
You dont have to teach them anything even if you are capable. You sure as shit can be supportive though. It just depends....This is not a cut and dry questrion and answer.
Edited by stemmer (05/17/06 09:03 PM)
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THE KRAT BARON
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: stemmer]
#5643709 - 05/17/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: This was about a friend taking drugs with a violent friend.
It still is as far as I can tell. He didn't edit his first post did he? There are many variables to discuss about said friend. Chill out a bit. 
Good luck to Jon with whatever you choose to do.
-------------------- m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: Jon]
#5643712 - 05/17/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uhhhh, no dude, definately not. Can you say bad vibes?
I doubt hes doing shrooms for any other reason then having a "good" time.
Just say no. The kind of person who carries a gun with him and adopts a mob mentality and robs nail salons is not someone you want to trip with.
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#5643717 - 05/17/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it ok by me.......yes
Id often say no, get some beer and ride it out with them if you FEEL like it.....
You dont have to teach them anything even if you are capable. You sure as shit can be supportive though. It just depends....This is not a cut and dry question and answer.
For me taking shrooms with the guy is a "definately not". I dont know goddamn thing about the guy though.
Edited by stemmer (05/17/06 09:07 PM)
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: stemmer]
#5643736 - 05/17/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Leary's experiment with the inmates has some significant flaws in its execution that throw into doubt the value/significance of the results. Once these inmates were released, the experimentors provided many of them with jobs right out of jail, and continued having contact with them, influencing the course of their post-prison life. Not being able to get a job after getting out of prison is probably one of the primary causes or recidivism.
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: Entropymancer]
#5643772 - 05/17/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said: Leary's experiment with the inmates has some significant flaws in its execution that throw into doubt the value/significance of the results. Once these inmates were released, the experimentors provided many of them with jobs right out of jail, and continued having contact with them, influencing the course of their post-prison life. Not being able to get a job after getting out of prison is probably one of the primary causes or recidivism.
That's interesting and a valid point. I guess you'd have to compare it to other attempts at rehab with all similar conditions minus the shrooms. Even if he wasn't completely scientific it's still cool. The experimenters probably weighed the pros and cons of being completely scientific and decided to just go with the most humane approach. I'd like to read more about this.
-------------------- [quote]Asante said: You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar. You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason. I disendorse you.[/quote]
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: stemmer]
#5643829 - 05/17/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not all gangsters are horrible people, even if they've done horrible things. A lot of them simply made some bad decisions and got too far in to get back out without completely abbandoning everyone they know and care about. A friend of mine that I've known for years hung out with the gangsters at school. Really nice guy, honest, loved animals, great to be around. Bunch of his friends started getting involved in gangs, etc (this was a long time ago, we were young), he got dragged into it as well, and eventually found himself in a position where if he said he didn't want any part with it, they wouldn't just let him walk away. Sure, he carries a gun, he's robbed people, and he's fucked up a few people (though never killed). He's told me he doesn't like doing it and if he could get away from it all without having to pack up and leave the city then he would. But despite all the shit he's done to other people he'd never screw me over. He respects me as a good friend and he only fucks people over if they give him a damn good reason to. This may or may not be the case with your friend, I couldn't say. People have different views on life, if his is "fight for survival or be someone's prey" then that's his view on life, it doesn't mean that he's willing to turn on his friends though...
I wouldn't trip with him, it sounds like you have some concerns and those concerns will not magically go away once you've dosed.
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He, having been abused has little to do with the progression of his mind and life.
With all due respect that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You usually have some interesting points and opinions but come on... How can you think growing up with improper parenting, feeling unwanted and hated, not understanding why he's being treated that way and feeling like he doesn't have a family could have little to do with his mental health and the way his life goes? Sure, some people manage to overcome it but they're INCREDIBLY lucky. If he was abused as a child I'm sure he often had to fight for what he wanted, and I'm sure the idea that using violence to solve your problems is alright was imposed on him at a very early age. That stuff isn't easy reprogram...
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: StickyWater]
#5643890 - 05/17/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nah, it has alot to do with overcoming that in any way that is possible. LIKE I SAID my best friend was abused by his mother father and older brother. In more ways than one, asshole.......... I was talking about this within the confines of psychedelic use.
Most people are seriously injured for life after such abuse. He was able to get over it in a very uncommon way. In other words an experienced psychedelic user might be able to stear this gang member in the right direction, yet I did advise that he shouldnt do that while on some "trip" himself. So ya, that was one of the dumbest interpretations of what was an ongoing conversation I have ever heard, (with all due respect.........moron). I must say, I come from such a fucked up family, and after your condescending remarks I say fuck you. My best friend had it much worse than me. He couldnt tie his shoes correctly until he was 8-10 years old. His mom had to do it for him......... And what do ya know, hes a fucking genius. Clear blue, smarter than me and is his brother. Its a fact that just goes to show you...... No, its not easy to get over this type of crap. You certainly do learn alot. Its just part of your experience and tainted upbringing. Thus you can learn something from people and psychedelics.
I was just trying to make a point. "He, having been abused has little to do with the progression of his mind and life". For him it was just a part of the past. Its time and he can get over time. Sure it fucks with his fractal memory here and there, he is one weird dude. Thats why I hang with him. SO ya, the past has much to do with how you turn out, but the reprogramming that psychedelics offer is far more interesting than memory, learned behavior and defence mechanisms. He over came that bull shit(with me), crying and all many times on high doses. He changed his destiny if he ever had one, as did I.
So fuck you stinkywater.
It was all an analogy, the "fuck you part" was not. Thanks for the ridicule and "enlightenment" though, because that was pretty funny given the fact that I was just trying to make an analogy. ofcoarse a person scarred by their upbringing is indeed scarred. I was just saying something more uplifting and in a way that was coherent considering the thread's "title".
Sorry for all the bullshit name calling, (I was only fucking around), but try to read what I say in context next time if thats all good with you.
Edited by stemmer (05/17/06 10:23 PM)
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: stemmer]
#5644086 - 05/17/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Going back over your post I realize that yes, I did misinterpret what you had said, there wasn't much in the post linking that statement to the use of psychedelics as a tool for healing and I was under the impression that you were discounting his past completely in his behaviour, etc.
I never questioned whether or not it's possible to overcome these problems, as I also know people who have done so (and many who let it drag them down and pretty much ruined them). And I do agree that psychedelics can be a useful tool for this
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: StickyWater]
#5644192 - 05/17/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats cool, its all good. You had a good point yourself. Good for non-members who dont know what to think about hallucinogens for sure.
I was only messing around.
I wouldnt trip with a "gangbanger" if I was on the drug myself, or without providing some attention if I was just trying to have a good time. Fucking with someones head is reserved for shamans and the like. If you really need to help a gun toting ninny thats having a hard time dealing with hallucinogens thats your problem. Im sure I wouldnt be there while tripping is my point. Not any violent/trashy person for that matter. If this trashy person is your friend you could just be with him during the trip. No reason to trip with some freaky nail-salon robbing ass. Its just not a good idea.
Edited by stemmer (05/17/06 11:10 PM)
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: StickyWater]
#5644743 - 05/18/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: ]
#5644988 - 05/18/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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polio ay. Im sure he would read your posts after that remark.
Hehe, you moron
Edited by stemmer (05/18/06 02:35 AM)
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Re: Is it ok to take shrooms with gang member? [Re: Jon]
#5645000 - 05/18/06 02:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't hang out with someone like that in the first place, it's just asking for trouble to happen 
and if you must trip with him anyway make sure he doesn't bring any weapons!
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