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non blueing panaeolus cyanescens
    #5643331 - 05/17/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I found some panaeolus cyanescens yesterday (N Thailand). Normally when I pick them I squeeze the stems to make sure they turn blue, because panaeolus antillarum also grow in the same area and can look quite similar. Many of the mushrooms I found did not turn blue after squeezing them, although I am sure they are not panaeolus antillarum. I am almost sure all the mushrooms I have are panaeolus cyanescens, (they were found in the same clumps as the ones which turn blue, spores are black, stems are hollow and visually they are identical). Could this be because sometimes these mushrooms are much lower in psilocbin / psilocin because they are on a third or fourth fruiting? Do I bin them because they don't pass all the test criteria? Have not come across this before, any help much appreciated. Some photos below

Photo of blueing mushrooms



Non blueing mushrooms



Blueing and non blueing side by side



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Re: non blueing panaeolus cyanescens [Re: dungsearcher]
    #5643357 - 05/17/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Personally, I can't see any convincing bluing in the pictures.

There are other Panaeolus species that can grow in the same habitat as pan cyans and not be active.

I'd probably only save the ones that blued for sure. Make sure it's really blue and has a true black spore print. People have mistaken the bluing reaction in the past.
I'm not trying to say you are mistaking it, but keep in mind it has happened. The copelandias should blue unmistakably.


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Re: non blueing panaeolus cyanescens [Re: dungsearcher]
    #5643412 - 05/17/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First off never squeweze more than one mushroom or so. Copelandia cyanescens oxidise when squeezed and lose 80% or more of their potrency. And when handling one should lift them gently form the manure or ground and this can be done without squeezing the stem.

I ahve posed dozens of images on proper handling and harvesting various collections of this species and they are posted here in many forums

Check out the Copelandia 2005 at the Shroomery's Ultimate Shroom Guide in the Species ID sevtrion. There are more than 700 large sized screen 8 inch high images of Copelandia form around the world.

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Re: non blueing panaeolus cyanescens [Re: dungsearcher]
    #5643420 - 05/17/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First off never squeweze more than one mushroom or so. Copelandia cyanescens oxidise when squeezed and lose 80% or more of their potrency. And when handling one should lift them gently form the manure or ground and this can be done without squeezing the stem.

Also, do not pick damaged, old or rotted shrooms. they only make the others rot along with them while touching them. Use a bag or plastic tray or box to collect specimens. Never put them into plastic and also carry your bag of shrooms with the same care you would a ccup of hot coffee so that nothing in the bag moves casuing oxidation. Lay all shrooms in the same direction in the bag..

I ahve posed dozens of images on proper handling and harvesting various collections of this species and they are posted here in many forums

Check out the Copelandia 2005 at the Shroomery's Ultimate Shroom Guide in the Species ID sevtrion. There are more than 700 large sized screen 8 inch high images of Copelandia form around the world.

mj


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Re: non blueing panaeolus cyanescens [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5643443 - 05/17/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Bluehelix had a pan grow and they didnt bruise blue at all- however they were very strong, so it is not necessarily ture that all pans bruise blue. Obviously it makes ID'ing them way harder though :frown:


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Re: non blueing panaeolus cyanescens [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5643571 - 05/17/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First off...never double-post. :wink:

Second...Good advice! :smile: :thumbup:


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Re: non blueing panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Dragonaut]
    #5645393 - 05/18/06 07:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am having a hijacked trojan problem and when I post the page does not return to the forum but opens to a blank page which says done. Then i have to go back one page and hit the submit button again to get to the forum page. hence a partially doubled post.

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