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No Drugs?
    #5639999 - 05/16/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've been getting on this site, but for over two years I haven't done a single illegal drug. I'm under 21 and that means no alcohol either. I just have always enjoyed talking about drugs and reading about drugs. I've realized that was always the best part. Their alsmot more mystifying if you never do them. Any of you guys not trip and just get on here to contemplate the topics?


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5640011 - 05/16/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You have used Salvia...


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5640043 - 05/16/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

When I was in high school, i smoked weed, ate mushrooms, and tried other random subtances. However, for the last TWO YEARS I have not used a single illegal drug.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5640049 - 05/16/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

salvias legal though....

but any reason why no drugs, or just never have done em?


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: AA2277]
    #5640059 - 05/16/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Saliva's legal in some places. Besides, what does it matter legal/illegal? Salvia is one of the most powerful hallucinogens on the planet.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5640061 - 05/16/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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accountant said:
I've been getting on this site, but for over two years I haven't done a single illegal drug. I'm under 21 and that means no alcohol either. I just have always enjoyed talking about drugs and reading about drugs. I've realized that was always the best part. Their alsmot more mystifying if you never do them. Any of you guys not trip and just get on here to contemplate the topics?




I much enjoy doing them than reading... I have been sober for a wile and fantasize about it wile I read them and try to soberly experience it but It just makes me want them more.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: mikeownow]
    #5640119 - 05/16/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You guys are right, salvia is legal where I am too. I wasn't thinking right. I quit using drugs because I liked being sober better. I remember tripping and telling myself that I don't like drugs and after thinking this for a year, I told myself i will never use them again. They wer good for a long time. Eventually tripping was more important to me then the goals I had in my life. The ones I dreamt as a kid. I also liked the idea of being someone who everyone knows doesn't cuss or use substances, but doesn't think it's that big of deal you do.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5640200 - 05/16/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Don't let anything get in the way of your chosen path.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5640274 - 05/16/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

unless its drugs, thats ok


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5640275 - 05/16/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen (in my own life and others') drugs take priority over a lot of things... but I think it's all about self-control and being able to realize when what you are doing becomes harmful to the rest of your life. Personally, I smoke a lot of pot, but I've cut back a lot (hard to believe, haha), not because it was getting in the way of work and university, but because it was getting in the way of my passion - music. I found that lots of times I'd just get too stoned to want to pick up an instrument and lay down a track, or what I would record would sound like shit the next day. Don't get me wrong though, I love to smoke and jam out on guitar... but when you take it to the next level it becomes a bit of a hinderence.

I definitely see what you mean though, drugs are a lot of fun to read about. There's a lot of drugs I've read about and studied that I have never done (although plan to do some of them at some point in the future).


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: Ashland]
    #5640393 - 05/17/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i use drugs to teach people or get into the mind state of people so i can better relate to them so that i can unlock their true potenial or heal them i am a shaman


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: thedudenj]
    #5641020 - 05/17/06 07:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was a drug-reader-only for a couple years before I started using.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5642167 - 05/17/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think a lot of the scientists you'll find here were readers long before users. I've been reading this site for about half a year, joined the forums recently, and am planning to trip soon.

I just find it incredibly interesting to read the reports of others (as long as they're divided into paragraphs... :laugh:) and to read the chemical agents present in certain drugs.

I am now informed on how most drugs actually work, and their effects, from unbiased sites such as Erowid. Otherwise, I'd still believe that dealers grow all their mushrooms on cow crap. :grin:

Which, now that I think about it, is still a ridiculous reason to not eat something, because most of our veggies are fertilized with cow manure. The sin of spin, ladies and gentlemen.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5642434 - 05/17/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I like reading about them and doing them. However, with my last several mushroom trips I just didn't feel the same magic. I was confused and sketched out about my life and what my friends were doing. I would spend the first couple hours so confused and disoriented that I wouldn't be able to sit and enjoy the hallucinations. Then, when I'm not tripping, I picture myself dropping some mushrooms and seeing all the beautiful patterns and lying there being really happy and contemplating things... but lately it hasn't gone that way. Wish I could get my hands on some LSD


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: CUBErt]
    #5642447 - 05/17/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

try stopping for a while, and read on some material about native use of mushrooms, i feel you might receive some more insight from them if you understand people's different use of shrooms.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5642488 - 05/17/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yea thats kinda what I did. I first used them as a sophomore in high school (earlier that year was the very first time I drank/smoked pot) so I was kinda new to it all and like "sweet im tripping out look at all this crazy shit happening." I began to read more and more about them and learn that they weren't just there for seeing pretty colors and patterns. At the same time, my trips began getting a bit darker and I started sketching out about getting caught (We would always have to drop them in a friends bedroom after his mom went to sleep). I concluded that I probably stumbled upon mushrooms too early and wasn't mature enough. I went from tripping every weekend to once in a blue moon. I'm a senior now, and in regards to drugs I feel I have matured alot. However, still living with parents and finding it difficult to get away for long enough to trip out in a safe place, I rarely do mushrooms. But with college just around the corner, I look forward to some more enriched psychedelic experiences. Until then, I am reading and learning all I can.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5642663 - 05/17/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i rarely use psychedelics any more. i dont really plan on using them in the future either, other than maybe some MDMA(or alike chemicals) occasionally.

i started using drugs when i was about 15 and am now 21. in those six years my feelings towards drugs has drastically changed. i used to take drugs that make me "trip" now i take drugs that make me "high".
from drugs like LSD, ecstacy, & mushrooms to drugs like heroin(and all other opiates), benzos, & alot more alcohol.

i have always loved ketamine though. and i have used it since i was about 16. ketamine can produce both trip-like and pleasurable feeling so it is pretty much in the middle of the two phases that i went thru with drugs & and is as much as a "trip" as i care for these days.

i did ALOT of psychedelics when i was younger, and by "alot" i mean more than enough. i honestly dont think that there is much more for me to learn or explore with drugs such as LSD, and mushrooms. usually when i take them (2c-i was the latest) i just feel very uncomfortable and overwhelmed wishing that i would just come down.

its possible that i am just "burned out" on psychedelics
now i mainly just take drugs because i dont usually like to be sober.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5642676 - 05/17/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I also liked the idea of being someone who everyone knows doesn't cuss or use substances, but doesn't think it's that big of deal you do.




lol?

no further comments...


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #5642755 - 05/17/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im burned out due to psychedelics, and still find them more interesting than getting "high".

By burned out, I mean I have been changed greatly by them(my brain functions also), and I am now very sentavive.
I certainly have more room to learn. STill, I was driven almost crazy. Like no natural process could provide. After 170 trips, I learned about the magic, or defying god and time. That is, you feel like you are defying god. You really are not upsetting anyone.
I have experienced even death in a very interesting and divine/uncontrived way for moments in time because of these hallucinogens.
I would not sell any of this knowledge let alone speak about it in detail, just so as to not taint the message. The more serious shamans wont even let cameras into their sessions. There is a reason for this.
The metaphysical is more complex than most people could possibly fathom if they have never used hallucinogens.
There is so much to learn that after all those doses I felt like my head was going to explode. Not because of the questions it poses, but how I was able to answer those questions. To apply the stranger things I had learned did drive me crazy. How to understand synchronisity, or how to allow for time dialation any time I wanted to(too many cognative associations within one thought).
That did drive me a bit crazy, but in a way that I would not trade for anything in the world. To trade it would mean separating me from that which I hold sacred, and would steal away about a half of my capabilities. Im a jazz musician, and even that stricktly mathematical/logos part of my life would be vastly different had I never eaten even one hallucinogen let alone 170 trips. That effect does not blow my mind though, (It goes far deeper)...........


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5643096 - 05/17/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I just have always enjoyed talking about drugs and reading about drugs. I've realized that was always the best part.




To me that makes as much sense as saying that the best part of organic chemistry is going to the lectures and memorizing synthetic routes, but actually going to the lab and synthesizing shit takes all the mystery out of the experience. Or for a more mudnane example, it's like saying that the best part of rain is reading about the precipitation cycle, but walking through the rain with a pretty gal at your side takes all the mystery out of the experience.

I realize drugs aren't for everyone (though I'll admit this isn't something I can really wrap my mind around), but it doesn't seem to me like this is something a person could discover without trying them all (plus many people just mean that illegal drugs aren't for them; they have no problem with sugar or caffeine). I guess what I'm really wondering is what's so great about not having an evolving frame of reference on which to hang your knowledge?

And if I may finish with one more crude transposition of your assertion: I've always enjoyed talking about sex and reading skin mags. I've realized that was always the best part. Having sex would ruin the whole mystery of the thing.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #5644124 - 05/17/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if your point holds its ground. People like reading about serial killers, would it be better to be one? People like talking about dying, do they want to die now? Some things are fun to learn, but aren't neccessarily something I want to pursue for my life. Personally, I like reading about every drug and I definetly would not have tried some of the ones I enjoy reading about.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: accountant]
    #5644855 - 05/18/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I find it tellng that both of your examples are exceedingly morbid, whereas mine (at least th rain and the sex examples) stem from similar human motivational drives as the one to do drugs. Drugs are generally pleasurable and tend to ontribute to one's growth as an individual. The same can be said of sex (well, the individual growth thing goes more with mate selection than sex, but the two are intertwined)..

Murder, on the other hand, infringes severely upon the basic rights of others and is not usually pleasurable (to the stable mind) nor does it tend to contribute to personal growth. And dying is generally considered to be the ultimate end to any personal growth, nor is it generally considered to be pleasurable. (Though people interested in death can seek the experiential equivalent through drugs such as DMT or ketamine if they're truly interested in it).

If you read about murderers, you probably become quite familar with the human suffering they engender. If you read about death... well, that's just pretty morbid, I'm not sure what you come out of that with. And if you read about drugs, then you probably inevitably become aware of the nearly limitless potential they have for unlocking creativity and personal developement. There's obviously very different sets of motivations at work here.

And of course I realize that not all drugs are for all people. Meth, for example, I stay away from (not because I percieve it as a negative drug, I just know that it'd be way too good and I could easily find myself addicted). Scopolamines I stay away from because I don't want to wander around in a fevered fugue for a couple days and wake up maimed or in the custody of law enforcement. But I find it hard to believe that someone inerested in and educated about drugs doesn't see a single drug that's worth their personal exploration for one reason or another.

I'm not trying to attack here by any means, I'm just curious as to why someone educated about the manifold potential benefits of drugs would not want to utilize any of them. On the other hand, I'll admit that I'm significantly biased against sobriety as an unproductive state of mind.


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Re: No Drugs? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #5645315 - 05/18/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Great post Entropy :thumbup:


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