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Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s
    #5639685 - 05/16/06 11:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I know ecstasies very popular now and i know of a ton of people who do it. On comparison, is it as popular as LSD was in the 60's?


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: tripstr]
    #5639702 - 05/16/06 11:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

maybe


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5639705 - 05/16/06 11:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I dont think so


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5639726 - 05/16/06 11:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i never liked ecstasy nearly as much as LSD, i think if is the new LSD as you were saying, its only for the lack of LSD available in comparison. i think if given the choice, most people would choose LSD.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5639776 - 05/17/06 12:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's much more popular. I also think LSD is more popular now than it was in the 60's. Drug use across the board is far more common, I think.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5639784 - 05/17/06 12:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i never said it was the new lsd but i think it could be as popular


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5639787 - 05/17/06 12:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

OMFG absolutely not. Not even CLOSE!!!! yOu could buy LSD from magazines, people were passing it out FOR FREE. You could call and get some dilivered, it wasnt elligal at first so it flooded the "scene". Nothing has even come close to this, especialy not MDMA.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5639795 - 05/17/06 12:07 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's much more popular. I also think LSD is more popular now than it was in the 60's. Drug use across the board is far more common, I think.





Some drug use has gone down, much actualy. However newer drugs like pain meds, perscriptions in general, drugs that werent known or well known then have gone up. It depends what your looking at.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: satori85]
    #5639891 - 05/17/06 12:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ive herd that mdma is the fastest growing drug in america


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: tripstr]
    #5639926 - 05/17/06 12:28 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

mdma grows?


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5640099 - 05/17/06 12:59 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hell yeah it does, i got 5 mdma plants out back :smirk:



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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5641066 - 05/17/06 09:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i never liked ecstasy nearly as much as LSD, i think if is the new LSD as you were saying, its only for the lack of LSD available in comparison. i think if given the choice, most people would choose LSD.




I disagree, I know many people who use MDMA and give me a crazed 'what the fuck?! you do LSD?!' look when I tell them I use LSD.

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OMFG absolutely not. Not even CLOSE!!!! yOu could buy LSD from magazines, people were passing it out FOR FREE. You could call and get some dilivered, it wasnt elligal at first so it flooded the "scene". Nothing has even come close to this, especialy not MDMA.





MDMA was similar. It started off being legal, and in the hands of psychatrists/etc, then eventually it started to filter down to the street level and was legal. You had people handing out pills like candy for free at parties. Hell, you'd get handed a bunch of pills once you entered the door - they wanted everyone loved up. It took some time before the black market / organized crimes / etc started to get involved.

I dunno, I think MDMA is far more common place now.

Now, this is some data from 2003 - so I wouldnt be supprised if its even higher. But in 2003, 2.2% of the UK population (730,000 people) use MDMA and more then 120million tonnes of MDMA is produced there in a year, and "The National Criminal Intelligence Service estimates 500,000 to two million ecstasy tablets are consumed each week in Britain."

Now, thats statistics for ONE country -- let alone the entire world.

I also think that MDMA has probably had the largest cultural impact since LSD. Not more of an imapct however. Pretty much the entire house music/rave scene spawned from MDMA which spawned a whole subculture around it, and that subculture has also greatly influenced mainstream society also over the years.

So, I think : MDMA is more widly used now than LSD in the 60s, however its had less of a cultural impact than LSD, but its probably been the biggest influence since LSD.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: tripstr]
    #5641106 - 05/17/06 10:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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hell yeah it does, i got 5 mdma plants out back :smirk:






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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5642345 - 05/17/06 05:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's much more popular. I also think LSD is more popular now than it was in the 60's. Drug use across the board is far more common, I think.



talking numbers or perecents. numbers of course, more people in the world, more drug users. percents, not even close.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: gumball]
    #5642637 - 05/17/06 06:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's much more popular. I also think LSD is more popular now than it was in the 60's. Drug use across the board is far more common, I think.



talking numbers or perecents. numbers of course, more people in the world, more drug users. percents, not even close.




I tried looking for stats but I got lazy. If anyone wants to link God bless. But I think that on a percentage basis recreational drug use is way up from the sixties. Especially if you count the whole decade against the last ten years. The late sixties verses today? I still say today. Drugs were just getting there start back then. Until we get some stats it's all just conjecture.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5642996 - 05/17/06 08:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

just to clarify, i agree with your drugs as a whole statement, just not the LSD then vs now. but your right, its not something easily measured or proved, so until then, yours & mine :smile:


Edited by gumball (05/17/06 08:11 PM)


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: satori85]
    #5643043 - 05/17/06 08:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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OMFG absolutely not. Not even CLOSE!!!! yOu could buy LSD from magazines, people were passing it out FOR FREE. You could call and get some dilivered, it wasnt elligal at first so it flooded the "scene".



Sounds like a golden age. :smile:


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: kaniz]
    #5643311 - 05/17/06 09:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I also think that MDMA has probably had the largest cultural impact since LSD. Not more of an imapct however. Pretty much the entire house music/rave scene spawned from MDMA which spawned a whole subculture around it, and that subculture has also greatly influenced mainstream society also over the years.




I have to disagree with this. LSD is a psychedelic. It makes you reinterpret the whole set of sociological cues and values that shapes national policies/ideologies and their ramifications. People turning on with LSD represented a group of people who were becoming cognizant of their role in society (i.e. pawns to be pushed around to suit the interests of industrialized powers, motivated by the life-long identured servitude we call wage labor).

MDMA is primarily a stimulating euphoriant, and the people who take it in clubs are usually ravers looking for a euphoriating experience. I don't see ravers risng as a social force in the modern world, acting out to try to force the government to change its opressive dogmatic stance. To be honest, I have no idea what you mean by, "that subculture has also greatly influenced mainstream society also over the years." Examples?

I'm not refuting its value as a psychiatric tool (or as a recreational drug for that matter), and I don't really know the statistics on current MDMA use vs past acid use, but I think calling it a "new LSD" is an extreme misnomer. I would also contend that it has not impacted culture anywhere near as significantly, largely as a result of its lack of overt psychedelic manifestations. The use pattern simply doesn't lend itself to worldview-shattering revelations the way that our lysergic friend does.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: Entropymancer]
    #5643401 - 05/17/06 09:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Around where I live people jump on the chance of MDMA. Most of it is either laced with ketamine or methamphetamine though. Pretty much everyone around here who has tried it liked it. I can easily see it eventually gaining momentum like a snowball and blowing up to the degree LSD once was. The only problem I see is that all of the tablets are laced so it wouldn't be the same thing as pure MDMA.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: MorphMan]
    #5645728 - 05/18/06 12:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

my town is all about pot and coke :frown:  no mdma, no lsd, no mushrooms.  its dreary, one of many reasons i'm moving to cali.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: kake]
    #5646613 - 05/18/06 04:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

its a hell of a lot easier to get ecstasy than lsd now (at least for the average person) i think we all can agree on that. Now i might be getting some acid pretty soon. I hope it is a decent quality. I think lsd is far more underground then mdma is now


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: i8an8th]
    #5646621 - 05/18/06 04:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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hell yeah it does, i got 5 mdma plants out back :smirk:






Sassafras tree?





no, i was jk. I wouldnt know how to manufactur it with those plants :rolleyes:


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: tripstr]
    #5646648 - 05/18/06 05:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well it's definitely the most popular now but in comparison to LSD in the 60s, like you said, I doubt it. I dropped acid a few times before I tried mdma and I remember when experiencing it I pondered whether it was more enjoyable than acid and thought it was at the moment. But LSD and other psychedelics provide the whole spiritual and memorable aspect so I still value them more than mdma.

All I know is that I can find some E faster and easier than weed O.o


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: Crowsnose]
    #5646672 - 05/18/06 05:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i agree with that, lsd and other psychedelics have a lot more potential then mdma. I think when someone takes ecstasy they are pretty much guaranteed to have a good time. When someone takes mushrooms, you have to be more prepared to have a good time. Ive had some scary times on shrooms before but in the end they were very beneficial, Ive learned so much on shrooms, and even though when you are rolling you are having the best time of your life, after its over, its over, you dont learn as much from it.


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Re: Is MDMA as popular now as LSD was in the 60s [Re: tripstr]
    #5647126 - 05/18/06 07:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_timeline.php
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1970 An estimated 1-2 million Americans have used LSD.




http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/LSD.html
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In 2004, 9.7 percent of Americans aged 12 and older reported using LSD at least once in their lifetimes,




The population of the US in 1970 was about 200,000,000. If 2,000,000 people used LSD at that point it was only one percent of the population compare to nearly 10 percent now. However, because many acid trippers from the sixties are still living it's inconclusive. However, 3.5% of current 12th graders have used acid. That's higher on a percantage than the total number in 1970 and doesn't even include people who wait until college to trip. I'd say it's pretty fair to say that LSD is more popular now than it was in the sixties and X is way more popular than acid ever was or is.


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