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Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding
    #5639234 - 05/16/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, quick disclaimer:

What this is not:  a tek that anybody in their right mind should actually attempt to follow on purpose!

What this is: a summary of a grow that started with a goof up, and turned into an experiment in abusing the hell out of growing parameters.

What I hope people learn:
- Cubies are resiliant little buggers.  They love to grow and will when given a chance!
- If you make little goof ups along the way, don't panic, you're probably going to be alright!  Relax.  We like to be exact with every little detail, but there's some leeway.  Don't freak out if you accidentally put 1/4cc too much spore solution in somewhere or forgot to fan your FC for a day or something like that.  Its really not the end of the world, I promise.
- There's always some luck involved.  Don't get discouraged if you fail.  Don't take success for granted either.
- Be creative, but base it on research.  I know people are always shouting "follow the tek to a T" but if you read all the teks, and the board, and some books, you'll have a good intuitive understanding of how things work, and you can modify things within reason if you have a sound understanding of what you're trying to do.
- Most importantly: PATIENCE.  Its been said so many times but needs to be repeated.  When things go wrong, folks start messing with stuff rather than waiting it out, and usually make things worse.  Just chill.

Ok, with that out of the way... it all started with a jar that wasn't covered tight enough with foil during steaming.  Lots of water got in.  LOTS.  The jar was a brown gooey mess.  Looked like brown jell-o in there.  It weighed about twice as much as the good jars, so you know a lot of water got in.  It was inoculated with GT spores anyway, just for the hell of it... this is how the experiment was born.  To give a time frame, it was inoculated back in the third week of March.  Unfortunately I don't have pictures of the earlier steps because I never imagined any of this would work!

Surprisingly it colonized.  Took almost 3 weeks, but finally the surface was covered.  Time to open it up!  Was expecting that the insides weren't finished because it was so thick and gooey, and was right.  Scraped off the dry verm and low and behold the top wasn't done, there was brown rice goo right there lookin' back at me.  Well you're not supposed to birth unfinished jars, so that's exactly what I did!  Decided to make a "short bus" casing out of it, haha.  Dumped the cake into a ziplock and proceeded to crumble it.  Decided to give it a complete idiot's dunk: sprayed the insides of the bag down liberally with a mister.  (It DID have 10% h2o2 in it, perhaps one of the only things done "right").  Got it nice and wet so I had a brown soggy mess in the bag.  Perfect!  Took one of those disposable gladware plastic containers, put down a layer of unsterilized verm straight from the bag.  Also misted it down til it was nice and soaked.  Haphazardly laid the sloppy mess onto the verm, not being careful to make sure it was level.  Tossed a few handfuls of verm from the bag right on top, and misted the hell out of that too.  Put the lid on, and made no attempts to cover the sides to keep light from the sides.  Threw it in the incubator to recover.  Arbitrarily decided after 3 days "good enough" and took it out.  To my surprise the brown gooey center was a nice fuzzy white!  Leaving the lid on being sure to give it no gas exchange, it was placed on a bookshelf to sit.  Days past.  Weeks past.  About 3 weeks... and then it happened... a pin!  A day later, many more!  Time to put this into the cheapest fruiting chamber I could devise!  (This was 6 days ago.)

Used a disposable alum. foil baking pan that came with its own plastic lid.  For humidity, laid down some paper towels in the bottom of the pan and wet them down with the mister.  Put the gladware container in the middle, lid on the alum container, and put in complete darkness under a pile of dirty laundry.

That brings us to today.  No fanning, no misting, no light even.  Dug it out from under the laundry and to my surprise, this is what it looks like:  (this is the first time its been exposed to light, or fresh air in 6 days.) 



It won't win any awards (unless they make cultivation an event at the special olympics) but its looking like it will produce enough for a trip.  Sure the casing has shrunken and pulled away from the sides.  Sure the fruits are going in every which direction and have fat bottoms and small tops.  Sure there's tons of pinning on the side you can't really see in the picture.  But guess what?  There's still something there.  And I did it almost entirely wrong.  :thumbup:

Hope this is helpful in calming some newbie nerves.  :cool:

P.S. I'd like to dedicate this thread to "chris999" and "Anthony707"  :tongue2:

edit again - update with some pics.  later in the thread you'll see the two bigguns were pulled off today so the others could have a chance at it.  here's what it looks like, a little over a day since that first picture was posted, with 18g wet already taken off it (yes i think its from a different angle, if you're also confused):



and a shot of those side pins, this is why you're supposed to keep light off the side of your cases, and why i didn't :smile:  look at 'em go!  i bet they'll get even bigger and maybe find the top haha



Just a final update on this (5-19-06), the remainder of the 1st flush was harvested.  Wet weight was 42g.  Added to the 18g pulled off from the two big guys that grew quicker than the rest, that's 60g total.  Not too shabby.  Probably better than a well-cared for average cake of the same size.  Some second flush pins already on the way too.  :thumbup:


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: creamcorn]
    #5639321 - 05/16/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think this is how penicillin was found!  IMO by the time you birthed the soggy jar enough of the myceliums antibiotics were excreted and mixed into the soggy mess to ward of invaders.

Very good lesson in patience :thumbup:, I give you 5 shrooms for experimentation :regularshroom: :regularshroom: :regularshroom: :regularshroom: :regularshroom:.  I wish more people would do this with a dedicated jar every now and then.


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5639350 - 05/16/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thanks :smile:  i think the H2O2 helped a little as well, especially considering how soaking wet i got everything.  i should mention though that mold just doesn't seem to be a problem in my house.  i live in a brand new house, apparently in an area/climate where mold isn't very prevelant?  or maybe i have a badass filter on my a/c?  i don't know but i leave food out all the time because i'm a slob, and it dries up well before it molds.  if i leave coffee grounds in the pot for a week they look the same as when i put them in (my old place, they'd be covered with white fuzz in 24 hours).  so i guess i'm lucky in that respect, your mileage will vary, so don't anybody take this as an endorsement not to be clean when working :smile:


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: creamcorn]
    #5639555 - 05/16/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Reminds me of the bulk neglect tek a little too. I'd also agree with the H2O2 part.


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5639614 - 05/16/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I think this is how penicillin was found!




Read Paul Stamets "The Mushroom Cultivator." Pinicillin comes from the mold penicillium.

Colonized mycelium is truthfully quite hardy. I bury all my spent bulk substrate. It's a good way to see your depleted indoor grow turn outdoor.


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5639700 - 05/16/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Giggity - penicillin was found by Alexander Fleming in 1928 when he noticed a halo of inhibition of bacterial growth around a contaminant blue-green mold. I was just using it as a metaphor for the aforementioned resilience.



Damn I wish i had a backyard, how are the yields outdoors per sq. ft?


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5639742 - 05/16/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Read Paul Stamets "The Mushroom Cultivator."




Love that book.

5 shrooms for the entertaining read, and for the patience and experimentation.


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: whatever123]
    #5640044 - 05/16/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Overall, this post proves that while following proper procedure as close as possible is ideal, making a mistake here in there isn't going to be the utter end of your crop. I can't name all of the times, I've panicked realizing I had done a step improperly, only to have everything work out just fine.


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5640128 - 05/16/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

exactly!  they grow in fields on piles of poop for cripes sake.  they've survived and thrived for thousands of years, well before things like pressure cookers or humidifiers or marthas were ever even a distant thought in the future. :smile:

mother nature provides an inherent amount of resilience and sometimes things only get as complicated as we make it for ourselves.  the science of it is fascinating though as is pushing the limits and heading towards that ever impossible "ideal"...  :thumbup:


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: creamcorn]
    #5640536 - 05/17/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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creamcorn said:
*edit* P.S. I'd like to dedicate this thread to "chris999" and "Anthony707"  :tongue2:




Maybe there wont be so many "OMG, I was upsatirs and sneezed! Are my jars contamed??" posts:lol:


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: HSIHd]
    #5641043 - 05/17/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

*Wild round of applause for a well stated and written post!*

5 shrooms for experimentation!


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5641262 - 05/17/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Giggity - penicillin was found by Alexander Fleming in 1928 when he . I was just using it as a metaphor for the aforementioned resilience.

Damn I wish i had a backyard, how are the yields outdoors per sq. ft?




Your metaphor is lost on me. As for the yieldage: there is too much to consider to give you a straight answer. I'm sure such has been asked atleat 50x on this site though and perhaps one such post got an answer worth reading.

You got me all wrong. I don't put work into an outdoor grow. All my time is consumed as is keeping a martha stocked and doing multiple neglectable monotubs. I do a lot of poo spawning, so when I'm done harvesting the last flush I have pounds and pounds of spent spawn. Well, I've got to get rid of it somehow, so it's buried in the backyard.

A hole is dug and it's laid to rest. I've noticed, on multiple occasions, healthy suckers poking out of the dirt after rainstorms in the spring/summer.. Like I said, mushrooms are pretty hardy. I don't pick and dry what I see outside, but it's neat enough to see psychedelics growing in the backyard.


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5642229 - 05/17/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok just a little update, the two big guys became mature, viel just about to tear, so they were picked to give the others a chance (and because they were about to bump heads on the roof of the ghetto fc).  was done very carefully and the one on the left came up clean, the one on the right came up with the two smaller ones attached.  18g wet so far.  the big ones were both close to 4" tall and caps were about 1" in diameter.  bruised blue almost instantly despite very careful handling.  looks like some perfectly good specimens to me. :smile:



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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: creamcorn]
    #5642459 - 05/17/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:

i've been doing my own ghetto grow and been very impressed with the return i got from my efforts (or lack there of :tongue:)


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: Simisu]
    #5676086 - 05/26/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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:thumbup:

i've been doing my own ghetto grow and been very impressed with the return i got from my efforts (or lack there of :tongue:)




and now when i can back that up with a few photos...
i PCed 10 PF cakes (in 200ml drinking glasses covered with two layers of foil) cleaned a small dish with alcohol and scraped the spores using a sterile knife in open air... i took a sterile syringe and sucked water out of a water bottle i bought then mixed the water with the spores and sucked back... waited 24 hours and inoculated!
i put the cakes in a box and within a few days they were all colonizing nicely (no contems at all)

i fruited using cut up 1.5 liter plastic bottles lined with wet verm (and made a couple of casings)
my last cake produced 105 grams wet off of the first flush (GT) it's still drying so i'm not sure how much it actualy is but for such a crappy FC that's one hell of a first flush for a 200ml PF cake!

check out these pics...



casings made with two PF cakes each (GT on the left TKS on the right) double end cased with 100% verm (covered with those plastics in the backround and placed in my closet) first GT flush was 8.5 gram dry (not that impressive but it looks great and considering i pulled around 65 grams dry off of this whole grow (maybe more.. it's still not finished) for ten PF cakes... and it's all for me! it's much more then i need so... i'm happy!)






so yeah... you don't need to be super sterile and techy to produce enough mushrooms for yr self! chill out and let the mycillium do it's thing  :tongue:


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: Simisu]
    #5676265 - 05/26/06 08:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I found this post after I made my first batch of jars(just 3 at a time till i get it worked out) to dry, I figured that they probly wouldnt produce so I made up some new ones that are right and decided to mess with these jars. I injected sterile water in to them to see if I could hydrate them enough to grow and damn if they didnt. One of my friends got a book awhile back that made him to nervous to grow because it talked about how sterile it all has to be but I am getting it to work and I do open air innoc and things like that, it is amazing how tough these liyyle things are. I thank you for posting this other wise I would have lost 3 jars and not even had tried to mess with them


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: kilroy]
    #5949041 - 08/09/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Im so glad i havn't done anything yet... the more i read the more i understand.. I was so worried i was going to stuff up & not get a grow.. but looks like you can pull it off wthout that much worry :smile:

my syringes are waiting hehe :smile:


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: Delkor]
    #5949910 - 08/10/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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It won't win any awards (unless they make cultivation an event at the special olympics)




Thats funny!  :grin:


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    #5949969 - 08/10/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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It won't win any awards (unless they make cultivation an event at the special olympics)




Thats funny!  :grin:




Haha... yeah and now I've got the official spray bottle of the special olympics cultivation event:



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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: creamcorn]
    #5949994 - 08/10/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

LOL!

You may be on to something here!


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Re: Breaking all the rules and STILL succeeding [Re: creamcorn]
    #5950063 - 08/10/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha... yeah and now I've got the official spray bottle of the special olympics cultivation event:






lolzz

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