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Epidemic
    #5638384 - 05/16/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The Canadian government has sent a statement to our hospitals about the emminent bird flu outbreak. They have said that it will most definatly hit us as early as the fall and that there is nothing we can do about it. There is no vaccination available to us, apparently the governement cannot afford it.

The governments plan is to set hospitals up to quarrentine victims and simply intend on shutting down all major cities when it hits. They are looking for places to make mass graves.

They are likening this to the plague.

They are expecting thousands of Canadians to die. I'm assuming that if this affects us, it also means it affects the states.

We've been talking about this alot reccently in my house and as nutty as it sounds have come up with a plan if there should be an outbreak.

The safest thing to do is to stay inside to avoid infection, so we would need enough supplies to survive in the house possibly without electrcity for 2-4 weeks maybe more, our other thought is the fact that people may begin to riot, once they themselves run out of supplies, therefore we are even considering driving as far north as possible.

Granted, my family is a bit extreme sometimes, and alot of this plan is speculation still, but I think it would be better to have a plan, then not to.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638397 - 05/16/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You have a link, or are you getting this from Fox News?


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Re: Epidemic [Re: blissedout]
    #5638399 - 05/16/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638405 - 05/16/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You only have to worry if you are under 10 and above 50ish. When you are younger you can fight off any flu.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5638406 - 05/16/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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How is this funny?


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638413 - 05/16/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe you should go stay with TM. It is safe there.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Taskenti]
    #5638414 - 05/16/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pay attention to who my post is directed at. Re: blissedout

Fox News

funny


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Re: Epidemic [Re: blissedout]
    #5638415 - 05/16/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You have a link, or are you getting this from Fox News?





You mean CNN right, cause this just has to be Bush's fault...


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638424 - 05/16/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

emmm... bird flue is for BIRDS as far as i know...
the only way to get infected is eating contaminted chicken i think!

although i don't take this thing too lightly i think we should get used to these things because this is probably just the start! there are going to have to be majoure changes in society to avoide these catastrofical situations IMO!

recycling stuff is a must...
more sensible farming and livestock managing...
propper city planing and creative solutions for energy production...

there are too many things to worry about really and it takes hard core people to really make a change (i only wish i could be as hard core but i'm a fucking brat :smirk:)


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638426 - 05/16/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They have said that it will most definatly hit us as early as the fall and that there is nothing we can do about it. There is no vaccination available to us, apparently the governement cannot afford it.




I highly doubt this. Canada is a modern and wealthy first-world country. There are plans on the shelf to deal with stuff like this. Don't worry.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5638449 - 05/16/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

randal you're a little naive to think that... canada is a BIG place and unless they inlist tens of thousends of people RIGHT NOW to deal with this all over the country they're going to have a hard time enforcing the rules and helping farmers cope with this kind of problame...

i hope i'm wrong but... :shrug:


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Re: Epidemic [Re: blissedout]
    #5638450 - 05/16/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wish blissed, but I'm smart enough to know fox is all lies, its actually from a report my friends mom that works at the hospital has.

I'm currently looking online to see if I can find a good link for it, if I can't I'll get the report back from her and post it verbatem.

Its something, I myself am not loosing sleep over, but its something I'd like to be ready for should it happen.

I mean wouldn't you feel like an idiot if people had beat you over the head with the fact that you could prepare yourself for this and live, but you ignored them got it and died?


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5638457 - 05/16/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You only have to worry if you are under 10 and above 50ish. When you are younger you can fight off any flu.




Apparently it is not the case with this virus. For some reason the strength of the immune system doesn't have as much of a difference as with regular flu viri. Just google the reports of who died from it, a lot of the victims are young adults, over 18 below 40.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638477 - 05/16/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As of RIGHT NOW, you can only get bird flu from coming in to direct contact with a diseased bird.  The flu has not yet mutated to be passed from person to person.  They are ANTICIPATING this happening, and predicting a huge global issue, yes.  But the fact of the matter is that the disease has not yet made it possible for this to become a huge deal.  There are drugs that work well against the particular H-551 strain that is out there now, I believe it's called Teraflu?  Anyways, I wouldn't go panicking yet.  When you get the first report of it somehow making its way across the ocean, and mutating to be an airborn disease...then you can worry!  :tongue:


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638479 - 05/16/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The report I looked at said that the strain of the avian flu that has the ability to transfer from person to person attacks those with the strongest immune systems, therefore not the young or elderly.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638491 - 05/16/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"H5N1. A string of numbers and letters that has the World Health Organization deeply concerned.

It's one of 16 varieties of avian influenza or bird flu. So far, it's the only one that's shown any ability to directly pass from one human to another. It has spread from Southeast Asia to China, Russia and now Europe.

American researchers now say the deadly H5N1 form of bird flu has split into two distinct strains, a development that could make it harder to develop vaccines to stop the spread of the disease."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/avianflu/index.html

This article is a few months old and not what I was exactly looking for, I may have to wait till I have the report again.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638496 - 05/16/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well then...my mistake!  I was under the impression it wasn't passed human to human yet  :crazy:

/me runs into quarantine


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638498 - 05/16/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The report I looked at said that the strain of the avian flu that has the ability to transfer from person to person attacks those with the strongest immune systems, therefore not the young or elderly.




Call me crazy, but that sounds like propaganda. It has not mutated to a person-person transferable virus. And diseases don't target people with the strongest immune systems, that'd be counterproductive. Diseases start with the weak then mutate and are gradually able to attack the strong.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gumby]
    #5638523 - 05/16/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I just read on Wikipedia that there's no evidence that it has mutated yet. Hopefully that's true!


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638530 - 05/16/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/avianflu/index.html




Damn....that article is kind of scary.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gillette]
    #5638533 - 05/16/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

From the CDC:

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The spread of avian influenza viruses from one ill person to another has been reported very rarely, and transmission has not been observed to continue beyond one person.




http://www.cdc. gov/flu/avian/gen-info/facts.htm


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Re: Epidemic [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5638562 - 05/16/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gumby]
    #5638567 - 05/16/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I last saw a show about this 2 weeks ago.  It claimed person to person transmission hasn't happened yet, bird to person transmission has only killed about 50 people in the last decade, and even after it starts transmitting person to person it should be a very long time before it transmits rapidly enough to be a problem.  There is some small chance of the right mutation for it to be a person to person catastrophe happening tomorrow but the odds against are astronomical.

OTOH, if anyone wants to put down on a missile silo and stock it with acid count me in :laugh:


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Re: Epidemic [Re: jp411896]
    #5638575 - 05/16/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I hope we don't all die like we did from SARS.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: moog]
    #5638593 - 05/16/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so far this has been the only proposed solution from any and all governments about bird flu

http://www.executivegourmetcatering.com/images/pics/LEMONED_CHICKEN_a.jpg

something is greatly wrong with the world...bird flu so far hasn't even affected humans yet we go around mass executing birds.

if a human catches it to we execute them?

also in nature when you catch something over time you build up an immune to it...by killing these birds they don't get the chance to do this...therefore we are helping this virus become stronger....and ruining the chance for any birds to become immune and live on.

its like using pesticides on insects...the ones that don't die become stronger. except in the case of birdflu we are killing the ones that could live from it too!


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Re: Epidemic [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5638602 - 05/16/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Human's HAVE caught it. People have contracted it and died from it over in Asia, Europre and I think Africa.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5638607 - 05/16/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

we over population comes hunger, and with that comes food shortages...what if they want these birds to die? think about how much food these birds eat off farms....you know how many birds have died from pesticides? 67 million. what if a gov. somewhere somehow engeneered this flu to wipe out birds?

almost every month you hear about another animal put on endangered list...there is a reason for this..earth can now only support one thing, humans. anything that isn't human doesn't belong here in our eyes, we value ourselfs greater than anything. yet its these animals and other wild life that make it possible for us to live and without them we wouldn't be here today....if its not a slave animal who's sole purpose is for food...theres no point in having it around.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Liz]
    #5638609 - 05/16/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Human's HAVE caught it. People have contracted it and died from it over in Asia, Europre and I think Africa.




well that guy above stated only 50 people have....that i consider nill when you think about the total population of the world..which is something like 60 billion


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Re: Epidemic [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5638617 - 05/16/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If your wacky conspiracy theory was even remotely true, we wouldn't devote organizations and so many of our resources to save endangered species like insects, bears, types of whales, frogs, etc.  I've been watching lots of National Geographic movies regarding these things lately  :blush:


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Liz]
    #5638624 - 05/16/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

them so called efferts have only taken a few animals off the endangered list while 1000's are put on it. but its very clear these birds lives hold no meaning to anybody when it comes to killing them because there sick. there's animal lovers out there but i mean...nothing is going to stop this.


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Re: Epidemic [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5638625 - 05/16/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

Liz said:
Human's HAVE caught it.  People have contracted it and died from it over in Asia, Europre and I think Africa.




well that guy above stated only 50 people have....that i consider nill when you think about the total population of the world..which is something like 60 billion




Try about 6.5 billion :wink:


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Re: Epidemic [Re: Gumby]
    #5638631 - 05/16/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

youyr right my bad, i knew there was a 6 in there thow lol

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/world.html


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Re: Epidemic [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5638638 - 05/16/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

they come up with vaciences for humans for this bird flu...but have they ever stopped to think HEY maybe we could develope one for the BIRDS!!! then we won't even have to get sick!


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Re: Epidemic [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5638794 - 05/16/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

Liz said:
Human's HAVE caught it. People have contracted it and died from it over in Asia, Europre and I think Africa.




well that guy above stated only 50 people have....that i consider nill when you think about the total population of the world..which is something like 60 billion




50 people died. Not sure how many have caught it.


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