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Afroshroomerican
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PF-tek and weak shrooms?
#5636303 - 05/16/06 03:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well everything is in gear. I ordered a B+ strain and am currently making my empty room (bedroom) into my lab area . I will be using the aquarium heating instrument-type incubator and the PMP for terranium.
However, in reading some more posts and grow logs a lot of people who eat their yields of the PF-tek report very weak mushies. One thread had a guy who had very nice looking shrooms and ate 3.5g (dried) and got only to a level one trip
I am usually very thorough in following teks and feel slightly confident in trying something more advanced, but I'd prefer to stick to the PF-tek as it's easier and has less chance for fuck-up.
Are there any modifications to the PF-tek I should make in order to yield healthier (more potent) shrooms? 
I keep reading that poo seems to have a lot of nutrients for shrooms. What step in the pf-tek should I add poo if at all?
Also does it matter what animal I get the poo from? I live in very rural PA so there are tons of animals around. However, I don;t live on a farm or near a barn so horses and cows aren't running about.
But there are tons of dear. They love to shit on my deck every now and again, it'd be nice to just open my door and yell, "Thank you my friend. Your shit is my shit" instead of being normally peeved.
If needed I could go to a horse barn around my area, but I'd feel weird trying to sneak some shit in some baggies. I doubt they'd mind if I took shit, but I mean how do u ask for that "Hey can a brotha borrow some shit please?" And some might know what my intentions for it are
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hpoo(horse poo) can't be used with the PF tek. It won't stay together well like the PF cakes need. If you want better yields and better potency start looking at casings. Casings of Hpoo seem to give people stronger fruits. And Hpoo definitely gives a larger yield by weight. Straw is also good. Its what was recommended to me. However if you want to stay simple try it out the pf tek on a small scale and see what you get.
I never did the PF tek so I don't know. Really grains and casings are harder but not that much harder. It just takes a few more steps.
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If you want to try hpoo just ask the stables for it. Lots of people use it for gardening. Tell them you are planting roses with your girlfriend at your new place. Its like a one in a million shot that anyone will ever guess hpoo -> Shrooms. Using poo for fertilizer is a common practice for people who want to get great gardens.
Best advice: You're not doing anything wrong. Repeat that to yourself before you ask for anything. Don't be sketchy. Be relaxed. A little talkative. And be friendly.
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Re: PF-tek and weak shrooms? [Re: nife]
#5636504 - 05/16/06 06:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Look up poo cakes. They're done with great success. All it needs is something to let it breathe, poo is dense. Stables are the place to go. Keep your eye out, I can't remember who it is but they have a pic of a poo cake in their signature.
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Deer eat protein, needs to be elephant, cow or horse. Not too many elephants here, but damn you're set if you find a mountain belonging to one. ;-)
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Afroshroomerican
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I saw a pink one around here who spoke spanish but that was after 4g's of good stuff and a few bong rips 
I was reading thru another B+ grow log and they said they had strong shrooms...odd.
I guess it's a toss up with PF cakes eh?
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PF cakes do produce powerful shrooms--I have tried at least four different cubies, and all of them blew me away. I have also grown with hpoo in outdoor grows, and the potency was the same for me as the PF tek. I think it boils down to the particular sub-strain that you get and the fact that everyone experiences shrooms differently. I know people who say they felt nothing off boomers that had me in outer space. GL.
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Afroshroomerican
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Re: PF-tek and weak shrooms? [Re: MLBjammer]
#5636786 - 05/16/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I see a lot of controversy on the topic. I think I am going to buy some hpoo ($30 with shipping) and use the cake/poo tek.
http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/23805
I mean providing it with nutrients is never a bad thing .
Plus I had to buy a pc (mom's was broke) so I'm using the sucker for pasteurization too now i guess hehe.
My only question now is should I skip mixing the water with peroxide? Will the peroxides kill the mycelium?
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Edited by Afroshroomerican (05/16/06 09:22 AM)
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Nah, peroxide only kills the bad, but it does stun it a bit at first. Usually its diluted enough (my preference), or a little spoon of pure is used. The time to use peroxide I've heard of so far are grain to grain transfers and dunk and rolls (which you should do). You'll want to sterilize the dung instead of pasteurizing if you're doing the cake tek, since it'll be in a jar with a verm. layer and pc'd.
The main thing that can affect potency in the end is how you dry them. If heat (100+) is used (or sunlight) is used, it'll break the psilocin down real quick (psilocybin is slightly tougher). I used a dehydrator at 95 deg., more cost efficient than using dessicants.
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That tek looks good, but you need that PC if you're in the mtns. I'd used the peroxide as it says. What's your elevation? Here's a chart of boiling temps - http://members.tripod.com/mkuenzler/id143.htm
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Afroshroomerican
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I am definitely using my PC. From what I've read, it's just as important as getting the syringe hah. So thank you for that link 
I don't know my elevation . I'm in Bushkill PA and all I know is it's a VERY mountainous region (for instance, you have to drive up 4 steep hills just to get to my house). So I'll have to search that. High enough to need a PC though hah.
As far as that poo tek, after some more research, I think I'm gonna go with the pre-pasteurized 5lb. bag from Tenn-Stud
http://www.tennstud.citymax.com/catalog/item/1676047/1147383.htm Good mix of straw and poo.
1) Should I worry about sterilizing it (the only thing I was going to do is spray the outside of the bag with Lysol & isopropyl 71%) even if it says pre-pasteurized (I guess that's an indirect question of Tenn Stud's integrity?)?
2) You said I should do drunk and rolls. I'm guessing you're referring to dunking and rolling in verm and DECing w/ verm as well.
I'm confused because according to the tek I'm using ( Poo-Tek I'm Using ) the fully colonized jar is broken up directly in the bag w/o Rolling&DECing (I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that it's better to dunk and cold shock the cakes overnight before breaking them up in this manner) But how/why would I roll and DEC if I'm just gonna break it up and add to a rubber-maid w/ verm already in it?
Sorry if I ask a lot of questions , I like to get instructions right. I have my teks printed and am writing down any extra info in a text file, so all your help appreciated greatly.
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Edited by Afroshroomerican (05/17/06 01:11 AM)
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MrMaddHatter
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Pre-pasteurized Tenn-stud is ready to go when you get it.
Also, no need to dunk, roll, or cold shock the cake if your just gonna break it up and use it for spawn or case it directly.
Hope that helps
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Re: PF-tek and weak shrooms? [Re: MrMaddHatter]
#5640707 - 05/17/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always spawn my cubes to straw. helps ^ the potency a lil bit.
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Re: PF-tek and weak shrooms? [Re: nife]
#5640709 - 05/17/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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nife said: If you want better yields and better potency start looking at casings
Spawning would give you better nutes(potency).
Casings will allow you to have a better yield (casing layer ect.), but not potency.
When you case you aren't adding any nutes, just a casing layer...
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Afroshroomerican
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Oh ok thankx for the clarification guys. I'm going to look at spawning. If it seems a little complicated, then I'll proceed as stated prior.
Better yields is always a good thing as well . I would've thought the hpoo gave it nutes. Seems people have mixed thoughts on whether or not it does ?
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Edited by Afroshroomerican (05/17/06 05:23 AM)
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Afroshroomerican
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I just thought of something. This could be wrong (my newb brain working here ).
1) What if I soaked the water that I planned on making a cake with in Horse Poo for about 24 hrs then (after I strain the solid poo out) put it in a container (water bottle or something) and PC'ed it? Then use this poo water to make the initial PF/BRF cake instead of regular still water.
Would this increase the nutes or is it a bad idea ?
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Edited by Afroshroomerican (05/17/06 05:57 AM)
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Just use plain water. Spawning is simply mixing a colonizied jar of grains or brf into a bulk substrate like manure or straw. Don't dunk before you spawn. Dunking cakes is to give them enough moisture to support a flush, and in your case that will come from the moistened manure. If you get the prepasteurized tenn stud, use it as is unless you let it sit for a month or so. If that happens, go ahead and repasteurize, but don't sterilize. Don't use lysol on the outside of the bag. Wipe it down with an alcohol soaked paper towel if you want to make sure it's clean.
There is no spot in PA that is high enough elevation to require extra time in the PC cycle. People in Colorado above 5,000 feet will add extra time, or they can use a slightly higher pressure to get the same steriliztion temps. You won't need to. RR
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Afroshroomerican
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Re: PF-tek and weak shrooms? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5644213 - 05/17/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thankx a bunch RR. Answered all my q's
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Afroshroomerican said: I am definitely using my PC. From what I've read, it's just as important as getting the syringe hah. So thank you for that link 
I don't know my elevation . I'm in Bushkill PA and all I know is it's a VERY mountainous region (for instance, you have to drive up 4 steep hills just to get to my house). So I'll have to search that. High enough to need a PC though hah.
As far as that poo tek, after some more research, I think I'm gonna go with the pre-pasteurized 5lb. bag from Tenn-Stud
http://www.tennstud.citymax.com/catalog/item/1676047/1147383.htm Good mix of straw and poo.
1) Should I worry about sterilizing it (the only thing I was going to do is spray the outside of the bag with Lysol & isopropyl 71%) even if it says pre-pasteurized (I guess that's an indirect question of Tenn Stud's integrity?)?
2) You said I should do drunk and rolls. I'm guessing you're referring to dunking and rolling in verm and DECing w/ verm as well.
I'm confused because according to the tek I'm using ( Poo-Tek I'm Using ) the fully colonized jar is broken up directly in the bag w/o Rolling&DECing (I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that it's better to dunk and cold shock the cakes overnight before breaking them up in this manner) But how/why would I roll and DEC if I'm just gonna break it up and add to a rubber-maid w/ verm already in it?
Sorry if I ask a lot of questions , I like to get instructions right. I have my teks printed and am writing down any extra info in a text file, so all your help appreciated greatly.
Bushkill PA elev. 371ft above mean sea level No need to PC longer. I also have ahd GT PF Cakes which produced sub-standard potency but that was the first flush. RR says it can increase with 2nd-3rd flushes and varies widely from cake to cake due to MS inoculation. I have a bulk sub going with coir/coffee which will tell me if the sub has anything to do with it but I also will clone some onsters to create an isolate to create a better potency. I ate 25g wet and got a strong level 1 and friend ate 3g dry and got to level 2 so grinding and putting 4g in a chocolate bar oughta give lift off!
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Re: PF-tek and weak shrooms? [Re: nife]
#9248629 - 11/15/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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nife said: hpoo(horse poo) can't be used with the PF tek.
Of course it can! You do the PF tek through and including complete colonization of the cakes. The Hpoo/straw, or coir bulk substrate is pasteurized, and the cakes placed in a zip-lok baggie and crumbled.
The crumbled cakes are then cased in the bulk substrate, and fruited when the bulk is colonized. It's a great way to improve the yield and ensure all requisite nutrients are provided.
FWIW, potency is 95% genetics and 5% nutrients.
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Edited by Nature Boy (11/15/08 11:25 AM)
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Re: PF-tek and weak shrooms? [Re: Nature Boy]
#9248747 - 11/15/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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oops. my bad.
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