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Invisibleshymanta
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Smoking Mimosa Hostilis
    #5636279 - 05/16/06 02:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Has anyone tried taking an MAOI like syrian rue and then smoking a plant with DMT in it?

Example: a rolled cigarette of Chakruna (psychotria viridis) with some fibers of mimosa hostilis root bark, too. A capsule of syrian rue extract (3g of seeds) is taken and the cigarette smoked as soon as the rue is felt.

It may be completely subjective, but it does something and it feels intense. Someone talking makes your skull vibrate and your balance is off.


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: shymanta]
    #5636284 - 05/16/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

it's probably mostly the rue that you feel. Concentrations of DMT in plant material are too low to have an effect when smoked


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: stefan]
    #5636293 - 05/16/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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it's probably mostly the rue that you feel.




Yeah, but it has a very distinct... something that can't be attributed to the rue alone.  The feeling is in addition to the rue and kinda subtle in an intense way. :shrug:  I think it might be the root bark because the Chakruna doesn't do it.  I've read the mimosa hostilis might  be active without an MAOI.
http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=137
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_info2.shtml


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: shymanta]
    #5636556 - 05/16/06 07:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is impossible to get a sufficient dose of DMT from smoking straight root bark or other plant matter. It's only about 0.57% concentration in mimosa hostilis and maybe 0.2% in psychotria viridis; that's why it's necessary to extract it. You would need to smoke an impossible amount of plant matter all at once to get an effect. Whatever you are feeling is a placebo, spurned by your intake of an MAOI.

Also, DMT is active without an MAOI, if smoked; (though the MAOI will intensify the effects of almost any drug.) However, if it is consumed, you need an MAOI.


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: Land_Crab] * 1
    #5636823 - 05/16/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i vaporized mimosa once it feels like dmt but very very very light not worth it at all


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: shymanta]
    #5637472 - 05/16/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5637485 - 05/16/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you tried it? If not, I don't see how you can have any opinion about it. You see, dispute the wording of your statement as fact, it is an opinion. An opinion on a subjective matter. You forget to consider the energetic sensitivity of the human body.


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: shymanta]
    #5638717 - 05/16/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I'm trying to keep it as scientific as possible. I just checked Erowid, and they say the minimum threshold dose is 2-5 mg. Let's assume the best, and say that you would feel some sort of effect from 2mg. It's easier to assume the best if you've taken an MAOI, of course.

If we assume there is a 0.2% concentration of DMT in psychotria viridis (QT), we can deduce that you would need to smoke 1 gram of psychotria viridis very quickly (within 30-60 seconds in order to overcome the very rapid tolerance that comes with DMT) to feel a slight tingle that could not be attributed to the placebo effect.
If you were smoking mimosa hostilis (0.57%) somehow (i.e. out of a non-resinated glass bong with a large bowl,) theoretically you would need to smoke 350 mg to feel minimum threshold effects under ideal circumstances.

So it's not an impossible thing that could never happen; but my opinion is that it's not worth it, and one would be better off learning to extract it. I have not smoked straight DMT-containing plant matter, but I have smoked DMT, and I would much prefer to be blasted into hyperspace with 50mg+ than suck down a huge volume of smoke for the possibility of experiencing minimum effects. (Plus I'm on meds and shouldn't take any MAOIs.)
If it has a worthwhile effect on you, then more power to you. Disregarding that last statement, the placebo effect is very real, and I do not dispute it.


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5640801 - 05/17/06 03:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about blasting into hyper. I'm talking about being a little dizzy and thinking funny. Dreams were amazing after smoking this stuff. The rue had a distinct feeling and the smoke definitely changed the dynamic of that feeling. No elves, just funny thoughts and vivid dreams. It was as noticeable a difference in thought process as would be caused by a hit of commercial weed. The two are not comparable, though.

I've smoked just Chakruna alone and gained an effect. A gentle uplift in mood. It only lasted while smoking, though. If taken before bed dreams can be effected.

BTW, concerning tolerance, none of this worked after having a normal dose of any other tryptamine. That is why I don't consider the placebo effect to be a valid argument.

This is all experimentation. If we take the word of what's written on the Internet, we might as well not have a forum like this one. Information would be static and unchanging. We can't depend on government officials or professionals to study these things for us. We have to do it.


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: shymanta]
    #5640860 - 05/17/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yo I believe it may be possible to get effects this way...never tried it myself though.
I liked this phrase though, "kinda subtle in an intense way".


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Re: Smoking Mimosa Hostilis [Re: shymanta]
    #25444310 - 09/08/18 03:40 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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shymanta said:
Has anyone tried taking an MAOI like syrian rue and then smoking a plant with DMT in it?

Example: a rolled cigarette of Chakruna (psychotria viridis) with some fibers of mimosa hostilis root bark, too.  A capsule of syrian rue extract (3g of seeds) is taken and the cigarette smoked as soon as the rue is felt.

It may be completely subjective, but it does something and it feels intense.  Someone talking makes your skull vibrate and your balance is off.




I created a account to back up what this guy said.  I have a jet flame lighter and a large bowl.  no rue tho.  Very similar to a certain thing being legalized in most of the us.  Might be because of my tolerance.  waiting on rue.  i didnt buy enough and didnt want to waste it.  but gave it a shot and its ok.  not like wonderful but its something.  im not a 12 year old that has no experience.

I second this man.


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