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Does this make you mad?
    #5635806 - 05/16/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A lot of people thinks that drugs are 100% a mind/ spiritual experience. That mushrooms can lead to true awareness and light. I agree sometimes I have felt like that too, but some times tripping is just feeling crazy and shitty and figuring out why it's like this. It's not always enlightening. Put more simply; some people could get hit in the head with a shovel and find a way to beleive that there is meaning behind what they are feeling (like tripping). However, sometimes it's just getting hit in the head with a shovel and there is nothing there.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: accountant]
    #5635833 - 05/16/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Power plants cause a shift in perception. Drugs just get you high.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5635906 - 05/16/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im not mad..... You have to be a moron to not notice their potential though.

SO, I never felt like I was being hit in the head with a shovel. SOme high doses sure did change the way my brain worked hense the "mind/spiritual experience". If it doesnt atleast give you something then It doesnt respect you very much either.
No matter how shitty of a time I had or how much STUFF I was trying to figure out, I always got something out of it.

OR......I never would compare it to getting hit in the head with a shovel.
I honestly can say without any doubt you dont know anything about hallucinogens. Maybe you take them to often. Maybe you have no reference points because you are a very simple person.
Simple people dont typically have trips you would say, want to read about.
Im not saying you are that guy...... If you dont connect it with anything spiritual thats fine.
"its not always enlightening"<----- It depends on how you use them. Im not saying I have always used them in my ideal way, but I still learned something and it was always the polar opposite to "nothing there".


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: stemmer]
    #5635947 - 05/16/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not that it feels like you get hit in the head with a shovel. I meant that some people could get hit in the head with a shovel or inject a terrible cleaning solution concoction and explain to everyone that they just don't understand that they are learning from the experience. That it is magical. But sometimes, it isn't magic, they just want it to be so bad.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: accountant]
    #5635966 - 05/16/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms don't respect people. It isn't like that. It's like when someone gets drunk and angry it's not the alcohol teaching them a lesson. How come less people say, in a normal day, this happened to me because I didn't respect god. That the reason things are happening in my life are from the controller of my chemistry. Is it just while you're on mushrooms that you see life means something?


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: accountant]
    #5636016 - 05/16/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Not that it feels like you get hit in the head with a shovel. I meant that some people could get hit in the head with a shovel or inject a terrible cleaning solution concoction and explain to everyone that they just don't understand that they are learning from the experience".
<----thats a very good point.

Mushrooms have an endless amount of teachings. I do understand why you say mushrooms dont respect people.
It symbiotic.....If it were not for the human brain, psi alks would have no way of gaining respect, nore would the human brain have a way of gaining respect for a chemical unless "it" had encountered LSD or some plant hallucinogen.

I have had my own ego-driven/upsetting/cluster-fucked trips that seemed to have done nothing but bad things. Those trips never fail to bite me in the ass later though, and I have learned from them.
I see what you mean for sure.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5637074 - 05/16/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
Power plants cause a shift in perception. Drugs just get you high.




Man... power plants... personal power... you fucking love over using your quirky terms man!

When you use jargon in an audience who can't understand you, it does not mean you're knowledgeable, it means you're doing a bad job showing off what you know...

When you're using jargon that 99% of people can't understand, you may as well just be making shit up...


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5637106 - 05/16/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am sorry but power plants, personal power, empowered self, and similar terminologies are common amongst the spiritual. I understood him perfectly.

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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5637164 - 05/16/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I beleive some people will tend to 'write off' the things that the mushrooms help them to see. Mushrooms are proven in given people an alternate perspective to look at things from, which in turn can lead to lots of realizations not able to take place without the chemical in your brain. Some people are hyper sensitive and for each and every little thing they will absorb meaning, some people just don't give a shit and just take them to get high. It all depends on every little thing that makes you an individual as to what you will get from them. But for me, proven things that have happened since I have been eating them, low doses to high doses, while on the effects to days after the effects, is increased ability to communicate, increased dexterity a la testing my skills in fooseball and other games, faster-tighter reaction time, more awareness of EVERYTHING, increased confidence in myself, and the realization that I can do just about anything. Tis like Mario, Eat a magic mushroom, grow a little higher. Some people just can't see these facts of them, some benefit greatly from them. Try taking a really low dose, something that won't make you have any really noticable effects, something like half a gram or less and take notice of the vitamin qualities, ya its fun to lose it on 5grams but theres nothing like having just a little bit to play with in your brain.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: bent]
    #5637294 - 05/16/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what about the native americans? how do you explain them?


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: accountant]
    #5637366 - 05/16/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the experiance of shrooming is enlightening but i think alot of people alwyas forget that at the end of the day you are intoxicated up to your eye balls, shroom and the alike are the most powerful kind of drug. plus humans like to see connections between things adn when mixed with things like shrooms our mind runs riot. i always feel that the reason why we feel enlightened is just the residual feelings of the experiance. shrooms dont really enlighten but fool us into it and make us believe.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5637508 - 05/16/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Power plants cause a shift in perception. Drugs just get you high.




Man... power plants... personal power... you fucking love over using your quirky terms man!

When you use jargon in an audience who can't understand you, it does not mean you're knowledgeable, it means you're doing a bad job showing off what you know...

When you're using jargon that 99% of people can't understand, you may as well just be making shit up...




If they cant understand then they should feel obligated to learn. If they don't want to learn, they have already lost.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: accountant]
    #5637614 - 05/16/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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accountant said:
A lot of people thinks that drugs are 100% a mind/ spiritual experience. That mushrooms can lead to true awareness and light. I agree sometimes I have felt like that too, but some times tripping is just feeling crazy and shitty and figuring out why it's like this. It's not always enlightening. Put more simply; some people could get hit in the head with a shovel and find a way to beleive that there is meaning behind what they are feeling (like tripping). However, sometimes it's just getting hit in the head with a shovel and there is nothing there.




you might be asking for too much. not every experience is mind changing


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5637737 - 05/16/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Life is what you make it. The materials in life are what you make them. People in prison smoke banana peels because they think it gets them high...and thats not a myth, I have friends who spent time in jail. I'm not trying to discredit undeniable chemistry, but reality is very subjective.

As for the 'jargon'...if you don't understand the common 'jargon' used around this 'audience', then read more.


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5638291 - 05/16/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

ExplosiveMango said:
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EquilibriuM said:
Power plants cause a shift in perception. Drugs just get you high.




Man... power plants... personal power... you fucking love over using your quirky terms man!

When you use jargon in an audience who can't understand you, it does not mean you're knowledgeable, it means you're doing a bad job showing off what you know...

When you're using jargon that 99% of people can't understand, you may as well just be making shit up...




If they cant understand then they should feel obligated to learn. If they don't want to learn, they have already lost.




You are definite proof that not everyone can learn from psychedelics.
Nobody should feel obligated to learn any one particular way.
I have heard dozens of viewpoints on psychedelics, you are the only one who has had the idiocy to believe his is the right one...

Whatever this new religion of yours is, I suggest you give it up and go for something mainstream if you're into that kind of coercion...


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5638318 - 05/16/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No need for a personal attack. I was in no way saying that I have found anything that is "right" that is only your projection on to me. I use the words I use in order to avoid long explanations. If you don't understand it, then learn, or continue to not understand it. Makes no difference to me. I'm not going to change the language I use because some people wont understand it.  :smile:


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Re: Does this make you mad? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5638367 - 05/16/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ExplosiveMango said:

You are definite proof that not everyone can learn from psychedelics.
Nobody should feel obligated to learn any one particular way.
I have heard dozens of viewpoints on psychedelics, you are the only one who has had the idiocy to believe his is the right one...

Whatever this new religion of yours is, I suggest you give it up and go for something mainstream if you're into that kind of coercion...



awww chill out. he wasnt saying his is the only way at all. he presented his idea without going into detail explaining every term he used, so what? your arguement is useless, of course your not going to understand 100% of what everyone says. folks dont go around explaining everything they say, and just because you/people you know dont use the same terms he does, doesnt mean you gotta shoot him down without any thought! acceptance & understading are a wonderful thing.
equilibrium, right on man


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