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Honest Opinion of Salvia
    #5635667 - 05/15/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have used salvia accurately and obtained the effects. It was not comfortable. I felt pin-like pressure and the overwhelming trip wasn't enlightening. It was bad, but not like a bad mushroom trip. Not as "real" as a bad mushroom trip. Does anyone agree?


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5635735 - 05/15/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Like a terrifying rollercoaster through Hades.

I think Salvia is very unique, and is nothing like its psychedelic neighbors. It's a frightening experience, but also very intriguing and captivating. Not very recreational, IMO.

I agree with you, that it doesn't seem as "real." My mind is perfectly aware that I am tripping while on Salvia, but after eating mushrooms, sometimes I get so caught up in the experience that I have difficulty determining what is conventional reality.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Ashland]
    #5635759 - 05/15/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's true. The whole time I know I am tripping. I think it is a bad drug. Makes your body feel like plastic. The sun feels like it is 10X hotter than normal. I have one friend, who is quiet crazy, and he enjoys smoking it. Sits with his eyes closed in a lawn chair ingnoring everyone. I don't know how he can repeat tripping on that stuff; over and over.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5635761 - 05/15/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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accountant said:
I have used salvia accurately and obtained the effects. It was not comfortable. I felt pin-like pressure and the overwhelming trip wasn't enlightening. It was bad, but not like a bad mushroom trip. Not as "real" as a bad mushroom trip. Does anyone agree?




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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5636395 - 05/16/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

psychedelic is more for awebservation
than as a markettable consumer product:

among the psychedelics, salvia is most in a direction that makes no promise of pleasure and that has some potential of insight even horror.

I guess you didn't find it a party drug?


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5636746 - 05/16/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Bootleg ass DMT experience.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5637045 - 05/16/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I love salvia it really openz my eyes


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: PsychdlcMes3]
    #5637073 - 05/16/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

accountant, have you done it with your eyes closed?...


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5637185 - 05/16/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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accountant said:
That's true. The whole time I know I am tripping. I think it is a bad drug. Makes your body feel like plastic. The sun feels like it is 10X hotter than normal. I have one friend, who is quiet crazy, and he enjoys smoking it. Sits with his eyes closed in a lawn chair ingnoring everyone. I don't know how he can repeat tripping on that stuff; over and over.




People say the same thing to me about LSD, diff strokes for diff folks ya'know?


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5637226 - 05/16/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i love salvia. i dont realy find it unconforable i enjoy the feeling of being pulled in various directions. i do agree the trip is nothin like any other drug i have taken. i never get any visuals, everything looses depth and looks like a picture. sometimes after taking a hit i forget everything i know and just become a thought and have to climb back to reality. its good fun and i have never laughed so hard before too.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: TANZWUT]
    #5637261 - 05/16/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I never have had an enjoyable experience on salvia. Every few months I try it again, just to see where it takes me, but no luck with enjoying it yet. I get some full effects, just not something I like.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: dedjam]
    #5637759 - 05/16/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Salvia is the enigma of the drug world.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Ashland]
    #5637941 - 05/16/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I thought salvia was the worst trip Iv ever done .
I had the purple sticky shit and blacked out for 2-5 min.
and when I came around the after effects lasted for 30 min. or so
and I swore to never touch the stuff agian


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: clcduluth]
    #5637975 - 05/16/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

LOL you should have done a little research.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5637987 - 05/16/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've only done it once, and really enjoyed the expierence, and considering how much I enjoyed it, makes me wonder why I havnt and gotten some more. *shrug*


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: kaniz]
    #5638331 - 05/16/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

felt like i was being pulled backwards


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5638351 - 05/16/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

did it once and it was boring, got burned, trying it again soon, more.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: AA2277]
    #5638375 - 05/16/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

salvia was quite frightening for me...my room mate was sitting me while i smoked it...he said i lost it and rambled crazy stuff and acted like i lost my mind...i flushed my stash down the toilet!


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: AA2277]
    #5638392 - 05/16/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i always found the salvia experience was extremely interesting, had about half a year of taking it regularly, even though i still had the same anxiousness before every trip as the first time. If you can get the right dosage for yourself though it's an amazing experience, not particularly good, but it's not bad either, but it is a whole new world.

Curiosity of what's on the other side just keeps sending me back every now and again, but i've stopped doing it regularly after i had a few months of doubting reality.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: SapphireCat]
    #5638422 - 05/16/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i bet it would be really cool if you mixed with a j


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5639252 - 05/16/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the first few times i smoked it, it was great. i would laugh uncontrollably every time, and it was always a great few minutes. the last few times Ive smoked it (3 years later from when it was enjoyable) its more of a shamanistic like experience, where its usually uncomfortable as fuck while on it, but after i come down and "collect" my thoughts on the experience, I'm always glad Ive done it. but lately, i haven't been able to bring myself to smoke it(since the mush/salvia incident.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5639472 - 05/16/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i can understand how one would have a negative reaction to salvia. Salvia is the only psychedelic that i've ever felt uncomfortable on. A few times i actually felt scared for no reason. i was in a perfectly safe environment for exploration, yet i felt threatened by my surroundings. A few other times i've had great experiences on it. Its kinda hit and miss with me i guess. But, alas i love psychedelics and currently have no access to more preferrable drugs like LSD or shrooms...as of now...so salvia will have to do for a while.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5639506 - 05/16/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I remember thinking on salvia. Mushrooms are much better for me than salvia over all


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: freezepooter]
    #5639993 - 05/16/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

IMO Salvia sucks...


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: i8an8th]
    #5640017 - 05/16/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i8an8th said:
IMO Salvia sucks...




Why would you say something like that?


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5641232 - 05/17/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

my first time was very intense. i didn't expect what happened to me to happen. however, i've done it 6 or 7 more times since then and I can control it. i don't really see things, but i think my mind is in a dream state of some kind. it can be scary if you forget that you smoked it - that's what happened my first time. then i remembered and i calmed down. I find it a really great escape for a short period of time now.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: LazyCrash]
    #5641435 - 05/17/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Salvia is the enigma of the drug world.





ROFL!!!!


Enigma eh


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Jalruza]
    #5641702 - 05/17/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Salvia has definitely blown my mind many a time

if living the entire lives of multiple people isn't enlightening, i dont know what is


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Help on the Way]
    #5642133 - 05/17/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

To assume that everyone would react to it in a similar way is a little bold.

I'm not too interested in salvia, or at least not untill I've had some intense mushroom trips.

From what I hear, it's no drug for a first timer.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5642224 - 05/17/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with the pinlike feeling, as i get that almost anytime and agree with that i realize im tripping, but i love it. man it does wonders to just find a nice dark spot and just chill with no worries


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5642230 - 05/17/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Think its good to have a few trips or more under your belt to even be able to get alot out of it.
In particulare, for people who have never done any other hallucinogen, they seem to not notice much but light headedness.
After having tripped so many times at high doses, I notice 1/4 of a hit of salvia leaf big time, Alone with some nice but unique visuals.
I think If you can really trip off of it and enjoy contemplating something that you cant put into words as easily as with other hallucinogens, it great every time.
There is no drug out there that has ever made me feel like there is a geometric, metaphysical insect like presence inside my body as it interacts with my external world(prickly feeling, but I wouldnt describe it that way at all). No drug has ever made visuals and tactile hallucinations fuse in such an extreem way for me. They often will poor out of my heart(chest/lungs), and those energies seem to be playing a game of tug a war with my external surroundings. What ever that is(I have my theories), it is most palpable with salvia.
During my experiences as far as cognition goes, its less interesting than any other hallucinogen(for me) and reminds me of instant ego loss or selflessness, which creates a blank slate where only truely altered metaphysical properties and the primal logos are present. No words, just feeling and interpretation.

So in short, thats how I feel about salvia. It is a very strange tool. Best when used by people who are really into hallucinogens(and have used many), science, and spirituality.

I would never need to use anything more than 15x. I have found that besides adding longevity to the experience, thats as far as it goes.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: stemmer]
    #5645059 - 05/18/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was amazed - I had many experiences all at once, yet miraculously I obtained my notebook from my nearly invisible night table drawer
and began to write in isolated clauses
to help remember astonishing visions,
earthshattering insights,
astounding apprehensions of plastic noodle elves and beings and worlds, all at once.
but later when I read the drivel,
the half sentences and and wierd grammar held nothing in the least resembling this.
as if
only the mere-est fringe of some lower garment of an angel had remained after snagging on a barb of a rosebush, after the visit.

this has happened hundreds of times with me.
nearly every time I get a notebook, often I start with the date before lighting the pipe, sometimes I just ignore any effort to take souvenirs.
seldom is anything written that can help show the face of this experience.
a few times I have gone through the notebooks after the fact and have decided that one day I will use some sticky post-it notes and then scan the best ones and create a collection that might help to suggest at least a shadow of this highly ornate complexity.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5645192 - 05/18/06 04:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For me - I've never experienced anything more astonishing, real and liberating. I think that Salvia don't allow just anybody to her world. Some need to prepare themselves. That worked for me.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Kras]
    #5645548 - 05/18/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've tried salvia many times under different states of mind. I'm very light headed with it and every time it blows me away. I pretty much just end up freaking myself out everytime. There's always some fucked up looking carttoon wanting to kill me or some other crazy repetitive geometrical bullshit going on. Not enlightening whatsoever. In fact, it's nothing but annoying.

So I say screw sage.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5647072 - 05/18/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i forgot to add, my honest opinion is that salvia is something that you are greatly missing out on, if youve never really "tripped" from it. it like one of those things you may only do once or twice, but i can almost guarentee that you wont regret trying it


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5649552 - 05/19/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Each time I use salvia I learn something new about micro- and macrokosmos. Maybe you're not ready to "let it go".


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Kras]
    #5651544 - 05/19/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

me?


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5651810 - 05/19/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've only used salvia two or three times, and it was several years back. There was the very slightest hint of psychedelia in there, variations on a theme or tracing concepts deeper and darker (not negatively) and downward...but otherwise, and in some respects also, the experience was entirely reminiscent of a good hit of nitrous. I'll be curious to try again sometime when I've good much more ideal surroundings.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #5652188 - 05/20/06 02:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the_psychonaut - I replied to the accountant's post.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: Kras]
    #14549610 - 06/02/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It surprises me that so many different people in these forums have such a negative idea about Salvia. My first experience with Salvia was the most positive life changing experience I've ever had, and I will cherish it all my life. Salvia is a delicate, mysterious, strange, and extremely powerful teacher who requires respect and total dedication, but I assure you it is most definately worth it. Recreational potential is zero folks, sorry. Salvia demands interest in learning, not just having an experience. Please treat her with the respect she deserves.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: sanx]
    #14556165 - 06/03/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

respect it. salvia continues to be one of the most power full experiences. i wouldn't say its a good time but i always learn something.


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Re: Honest Opinion of Salvia [Re: accountant]
    #14556281 - 06/03/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i hate it,that poisoned feeling, cheap thrill thats all it is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


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