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Amanita Muscaria
    #5634144 - 05/15/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i live in cypress texas n my friend said he found a mushroom with a red cap with white dots, he says he ate them n tripped n everything,he said it was amanita muscaria, but ive been researching this website n it says there is only 4 hollucinegenic shrooms in texas, amanita muscaria not in the list, i really wanna try amanita muscaria cuz i hear its totally different from p. cubensis, n e ways i just wanna kno if it grows in texas, if so what r the names of its lookalikes


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Mellowmaniac]
    #5634214 - 05/15/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm afraid your friend was wrong....

I have seen many red russula out lately..
But man if he was to consume them he would have been hurling!
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We don't get any soma containing Amanita here in south Texas..
At least with all my looking and reading and such I see no proof of them being found.
My 2cents... :wink:
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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Mellowmaniac]
    #5634215 - 05/15/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Amanitas arent called magic mushrooms because as you said its a totally different chemical from P. cubensis.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Feelers]
    #5634293 - 05/15/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thats strange man cuz they tookem told me about the trip an it sounded exactly the same as the trips i heard on the internet.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Mellowmaniac]
    #5634322 - 05/15/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's amazing what the mind can convince you of when you really want something to happen. But, Yessup is pretty well versed in the mushrooms of SE Texas, so I'd take his word about them not growing near you. Maybe your friend got them from someplace else? Or maybe he got super lucky and really found one.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: xmush]
    #5634361 - 05/15/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ya I'm not saying that they are not out there .. I have looked and looked. Believe me when I see a red mushroom I get "WOOD"
But the claimant and the Heat and the Humidity here just don't add up as far as how and when they grow.
Now with that said. Yesterday my hunting buddy and I did find some Amanita..
They are a sketchy genius and are not edible..."NOT"
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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: YESSUP]
    #5634464 - 05/15/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

it def. wasnt that, but i really dont kno what to think it is but u have been a real help man, ill try n get some pics from muh friend who got them but thanks man, peace out


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Mellowmaniac]
    #5634923 - 05/15/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just like how cubensis need a nice steamy pile of cow manure, an amanita needs a nice patch of grass underneath a confer tree. Unfortunately there's not to many confer trees in Texas.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: DaveTX]
    #5634979 - 05/15/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Also there is a danger when it comes to noob amanita hunters. Quite often some dumb ass noob will find a brown amanita thinking that its an amanita mascara that has sat in the sun or some shit. They look identical except one is red and the other is light brown. The dumb ass that eats the brown one will not make it to see the next day.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: DaveTX]
    #5635189 - 05/15/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to break this to you DaveTX, but conifers are pretty much all there are in SE Texas. Pines and Cypress - both conifers - are certainly the most abundant tree around the Houston area. Anyway, you're right though about something in the environment not being quite right for A. muscaria to grow.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: xmush]
    #5635336 - 05/15/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dont know, I'm origanly from washington state, came to texas to see whats hapening and never left befor sundown. So... ,shit.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: DaveTX]
    #5635346 - 05/15/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:wink:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: xmush]
    #5635470 - 05/15/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

also, you cant just eat an amanita mushroom, they need preperation
and it sounds like your mate just pulled em out and down the hatch,
which would do nothing except make you hurl!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: DaveTX]
    #5635492 - 05/15/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Also there is a danger when it comes to noob amanita hunters.  Quite often some dumb ass noob will find a brown amanita thinking that its an amanita mascara that has sat in the sun or some shit.  They look identical except one is red and the other is light brown.  The dumb ass that eats the brown one will not make it to see the next day.



indeed, in fact, the "death cap" the mushroom with the most recorded fatalities is an amanita mushrooms, purely white with no dots or anything.. people often regard them as being a common edible field mushroom... haha, wrong! it will entirely shut down vital organs like your liver, kidneys and bladder in a matter of hours.. i don't think anyone has EVER survived eating the death cap.., hospital or not :thumbdown:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomer_nick]
    #5635525 - 05/15/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That is a misnomer and I do not condone the eating of Amanita phalloides or the possible treatment using sylimarin but many people do survive eating this mushroom.

Toxicology and Treatment

"Amatoxins are cyclopeptides composed of a ring of amino acids that inhibit the production of specific proteins within liver and kidney cells. Without these proteins, cells cease to function. Following ingestion…five to twenty-four hours (average, twelve hours) pass before nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea begin. These initial symptoms are followed by a brief period of apparent improvement, but without treatment, severe liver damage and kidney failure often result in coma and death."
--Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America by Fischer and Bessette (1992, Univ. of Texas Press, Austin)

The delay before onset of symptoms, coupled with the intitial symptoms' mimicry of influenza and other gastrointestinal viruses and the marked (albeit temporary) improvement of most patients beginning two or three days after ingestion, pose inherent problems in prompt diagnosis and treatment.

In cases where early diagnosis is accomplished, effective therapies have included massive doses of penicillin; the use of milk-thistle extract (containing the flavinoids sylimarin/silybin/silibinin), which pharmacologically inhibits the amatoxins from effecting their most severe liver damage; and albumin dialysis (MARS-type). In more severe cases, especially those in which diagnosis is delayed further by failure to suspect amatoxin poisoning, liver transplant often becomes the only therapy offering a reasonable prognosis.

For most patients in whom diagnosis is accomplished tardily, full recovery to their states of health prior to hospitalization is very unlikely.

"The Sky is Falling!" -- Death Cap Poisonings Elicit Overreactive Statements
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In California, in January, 1997, some folks picked some wild mushrooms, cooked and ate them, without knowing what they were doing… without consulting a good mushroom field guide… without carefully comparing specimens to descriptions and photos… in short, without properly identifying the mushrooms they picked.

Once again, the mushrooms they picked were "Death Caps" (Amanita phalloides).

Once again, folks ended up with serious liver damage; several of them died.

And, once again, some "authorities" spouted overreactive nonsense, not merely implying but explicitly stating that it is inherently dangerous for anyone but an "expert" to pick and eat wild mushrooms.

The Associated Press reported (1/8/97):

An outbreak of wild mushroom poisonings has sickened at least nine people in Northern California, with three victims in intensive care Wednesday facing possible liver transplants.
The most seriously ill were felled by the "death cap" mushroom, known technically as Amanita phalloides, which can destroy the liver. One victim was Sam Sebastiani Jr., 31, a member of the Sebastiani wine family.

The Mushroom Council, which represents commercial mushroom producers and importers throughout the United States, said this in a news release:

The Mushroom Council urges the public to be extremely cautious when foraging for wild mushrooms outside, especially in fields and forests, because of potential health dangers that can be caused by some wild varieties [sic]… The untrained and uneducated person can make an innocent mistake when hunting wild mushrooms that could result in illness or even death… Commercially produced mushrooms that are in your supermarket or in prepared foods are carefully cultivated agricultural products, grown year around.

This was, perhaps, neither terribly unreasonable, nor terribly overreactive. It certainly was opportunistic for the Mushroom Council to steer consumers toward their industry's produce—and away from the free foods of the forests and fields—in the capitalist tradition. No one can blame them for that. Indeed, it can be argued that some folks would hear the news stories and react with a fear of all mushrooms, including the safe cultivated species, so the Mushroom Council was merely trying to mitigate against the danger of public misperception.

(Never mind that some of the most widespread cases of serious poisoning by mushrooms in North America have been the result of botulism caused by errors in the canning of commercially cultivated mushrooms… and be sure to take a good look at those "fresh" mushrooms in the produce department of your favorite grocery store, for this "short-shelflife" commodity often shows serious signs of decay at the supermarket.)

The problem here is that "untrained and uneducated" can be misinterpreted as "lacking formal training and education in mycology"… and that is simply not true.

Rose Ann Soloway, administrator of the American Association of Poison Control Centers, had this to say (and The Mushroom Council plugged it into their news release):

It is our strong recommendation that people not pick and eat wild mushrooms unless they, in fact, are experts, or the person identifying the mushrooms is someone with whom they would trust their life.

Hmmm… "expert"? What, exactly, is an expert?

Better question: how much of an "expert" should one be to identify wild mushrooms for human consumption?

The Truth

Millions of North Americans pick and eat wild mushrooms every year, without as much as a belly ache.

Are they "experts"? Yes! At least, they are experts on the edible wild mushrooms they know. Either their parents or grandparents taught them how to identify morels, or puffballs, or meadow mushrooms, or they have a good field guide and they read it… or both.

No one with a reasonable understanding of the importance of properly identifying mushrooms—with a serious awareness that some species are fatally toxic—falls victim to the Death Cap. The folks who eat Death Caps do not use field guides: they just pick the damned things and eat them. No trip to the library. No reading. No spore prints. No idea what a "partial veil" is or what "gill attachment" means.

So… Is it really dangerous to eat wild mushrooms?

How dangerous is it to drive a car? If you're drunk or careless, it is VERY dangerous; if you're sensible and pay attention, it is reasonably safe.

Consider this: Would you pick and eat an unfamiliar berry simply because it "looked good"? Of course not. Finding, identifying, preparing, and eating wild mushrooms can be a delightful pasttime—IF it is done intelligently.

Otherwise, it is a terrible "accident" waiting to happen.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: baycafe]
    #5635653 - 05/15/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah what shroomer_nick said about the preperation is is kinda true. You do have to peal the red skin with the white chunks off of the cap. The white chunks are a like some sort of consentrated make you puke stuf. But regardless the felling of puking comes and goes.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: YESSUP]
    #5635751 - 05/15/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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YESSUP said:
I'm afraid your friend was wrong....

I have seen many red russula out lately..
But man if he was to consume them he would have been hurling!
Russulas

We don't get any soma containing Amanita here in south Texas..
At least with all my looking and reading and such I see no proof of them being found.
My 2cents... :wink:
Soma




Yeah they grow in Texas man.  I found a nice little patch of them in 2004, under a lone pine in a cow field a little north of austin in granger.  Ask cube421, he was there. We didnt pick em though, just left em to make more.  I bet they are pretty rare in Texas but, they are out there.  :mushroom2:  :cool:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomer_nick]
    #5635907 - 05/16/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

shroomer_nick, I have no idea where you got the idea that, "i don't think anyone has EVER survived eating the death cap.., hospital or not".

The actual survival rates depend on the dosage of toxins, age and health of the victim, and *lots* of other things. A century ago the survival rate for amatoxin poisonings was 30 - 40%. Currently the overall survival rate is more like 85 - 90%.


baycafe, the key phrase in your bit is, "IF it is done intelligently." I frequently meet people in the woods who are collecting mushrooms to eat who have included mushrooms that almost no professional mycologist will attempt to identify without a great deal of time and effort with a microscope. The genus Cortinarius comes prominently to mind. These people swear that they know that these mushrooms are good to eat, when I have seen lots of prominent professional mycologists decline to attempt to identify them at places like mushroom fairs.

These people have probably eaten these mushrooms several times and gotten away with it. Of course, these people fall exactly into your last category: "a terrible 'accident' waiting to happen."


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Shrum821]
    #5635921 - 05/16/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you want to take them, keep the caps and dry them. You can eat the stalks if you want, but the actives are mostly in the cap. I have eaten them fresh(but cooked) and spewed, but others kept it down.

If you dry them you do not need to cook them, and they will not make you anywhere near as nautious as fresh ones.

Definately dry them, there's no doubt in my mind thats the best way to take them - dry them, steep in boiling water and consume.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Shrum821]
    #5636346 - 05/16/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Shrum821 said:
Quote:

YESSUP said:
I'm afraid your friend was wrong....

I have seen many red russula out lately..
But man if he was to consume them he would have been hurling!
Russulas

We don't get any soma containing Amanita here in south Texas..
At least with all my looking and reading and such I see no proof of them being found.
My 2cents... :wink:
Soma




Yeah they grow in Texas man.  I found a nice little patch of them in 2004, under a lone pine in a cow field a little north of austin in granger.  Ask cube421, he was there. We didnt pick em though, just left em to make more.  I bet they are pretty rare in Texas but, they are out there.  :mushroom2:  :cool:




Agreed.. Austin is about the farthest south if I would have to take a wild guess.
I would love to find a patch and I do know that your chances are the best in the pine Forrest's. Texas is covered with pine's for those of you who did not know..
Bassdrop lake aria has Cows in pin woods.. I have never seen a cube in pine needles but I have see my share of photos from a few fellow shroomers in the Bassdrop aria.. So like I said not here round Houston or the South East ... But Mother Nature loves to make lier's out of us now don't she? :wink:

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: DaveTX]
    #5991425 - 08/24/06 12:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I just got in some dried amanita muscaria that I ordered online, and one of the caps are brown. I would say it's a little more of a dark brown though. Any cause for concern?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: YouAmI]
    #5991427 - 08/24/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

This is the completely wrong area to post.


I wouldn't worry about the browning.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: toole]
    #5991432 - 08/24/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Toole, thanks for the quick reply. I meant to quote DaveTX since he brought up deadly brown amanita caps.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: YouAmI]
    #5991434 - 08/24/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ah yea, I just scrolled back a page..didn't see the 2 previous pages at first.

But again, I wouldn't think that would be any much of a problem, drying discolors and runs.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: toole]
    #5991455 - 08/24/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, I was almost certain it was ok, but after reading about these so-called deadly brown caps I figured I'd ask just to be on the safe side.

I just googled brown amanita caps and they don't look anything like muscaria (no spots), so I think I'm good. But I guess if I never post here again you'll know it was indeed the dreaded fatal brown amanita cap...


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