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InvisibleAlex213
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Would this have happened with Saddam too?
    #5632102 - 05/15/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So if we'd waited another few years would this happened with Iraq too? Or did the fact that Iraq had oil make the difference?

The US has ended a three-decade cold war with Libya and announced that it no longer considers the country a state sponsor of terrorism.
The move is a dramatic turnaround for a country that in the 70s and 80s was one of the west's most implacable foes.

Under its leader Muammar Gadafy, Libya was a prominent supporter of terrorist groups including the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, the IRA and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the southern Philippines.

Colonel Gadafy's ceaseless opposition to western powers and his support for CIA-style "dirty war" tactics in the 80s made his country an international outcast.

The Lockerbie bombing was considered the worst terrorist attack against the US until September 11, and Libyan agents are also believed to have been responsible for the 1984 murder of British police officer Yvonne Fletcher outside the Libyan embassy in London.

Britain, for its part, provided RAF bases for a series of US air strikes on Tripoli in 1986, which were launched in response to a bombing targeting US troops in Germany that Washington claimed had been orchestrated by Colonel Gadafy.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/libya/story/0,,1775526,00.html


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Alex213]
    #5632360 - 05/15/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt it. Recently Gadafy has been willing to work with the international community and to reform his actions, which I doubt Saddam would have been willing to do.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5632487 - 05/15/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Redstorm stated:

Recently Gadafy has been willing to work with the international community and to reform his actions


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One of the reasons why the USA is letting go of the noose over Lybia..........it seems that at face value Gadafy is not the tyranicial leader he used to be......


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Alex213]
    #5633772 - 05/15/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
So if we'd waited another few years would this happened with Iraq too? Or did the fact that Iraq had oil make the difference?

The US has ended a three-decade cold war with Libya and announced that it no longer considers the country a state sponsor of terrorism.
The move is a dramatic turnaround for a country that in the 70s and 80s was one of the west's most implacable foes.





Cold war??? I don't know about that. We did lob a missile into his tent in response to some of his "warmer" activities.
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Under its leader Muammar Gadafy, Libya was a prominent supporter of terrorist groups including the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, the IRA and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the southern Philippines.

Colonel Gadafy's ceaseless opposition to western powers and his support for CIA-style "dirty war" tactics in the 80s made his country an international outcast.





"dirty war"? Whatever the fuck that is.
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The Lockerbie bombing was considered the worst terrorist attack against the US until September 11, and Libyan agents are also believed to have been responsible for the 1984 murder of British police officer Yvonne Fletcher outside the Libyan embassy in London.






Weren't you just trying to argue in another thread that there were no other terrorists targeting the US beside al Qaeda? It's a wonder your head doesn't explode with all the self contradicting nonsense you carry in it.
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Britain, for its part, provided RAF bases for a series of US air strikes on Tripoli in 1986, which were launched in response to a bombing targeting US troops in Germany that Washington claimed had been orchestrated by Colonel Gadafy.





Yep, that would be part of the "warmer" activities I mentioned earlier

http://www.guardian.co.uk/libya/story/0,,1775526,00.html




Hmmmmm. Let's see. The US gets serious about Iraq. Builds up forces and a coalition and invades Iraq. Libya gets out of the asshole business. Yep, Libya just decided to cave for no other reason than the force of international diplomacy and a willingness to do the right thing. No correlation there. Purely coincidence. And Saddam was sure to be next. Yep. Coulda happened. In any one of several alternate universes. Probably one in which a single point defines a line. Just not this one.

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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? *DELETED* [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5633810 - 05/15/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Sanguine333]
    #5633855 - 05/15/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:puts on tinfoil hat:

see now, 'we' have the oil, and are making assloads of money off it...versus giving a shit about the common man and lowering prices, 'we' are charging these high prices

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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5636022 - 05/16/06 12:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt it. Recently Gadafy has been willing to work with the international community and to reform his actions, which I doubt Saddam would have been willing to do.



Yeah but in the 1980's you'd have doubted Gaddafi would reform his actions too.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5636043 - 05/16/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Weren't you just trying to argue in another thread that there were no other terrorists targeting the US beside al Qaeda?

No I asked you which others you thought there were. You provided an alleged "list", I demolished it, then you abandoned the thread to avoid looking even sillier than you already did.

You also buried your head in the sand when I pointed out which country had links with the contra terrorist group.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Alex213]
    #5636899 - 05/16/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
I doubt it. Recently Gadafy has been willing to work with the international community and to reform his actions, which I doubt Saddam would have been willing to do.



Yeah but in the 1980's you'd have doubted Gaddafi would reform his actions too.




Good point.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Alex213]
    #5638099 - 05/16/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Weren't you just trying to argue in another thread that there were no other terrorists targeting the US beside al Qaeda?

No I asked you which others you thought there were. You provided an alleged "list", I demolished it, then you abandoned the thread to avoid looking even sillier than you already did.




You did nothing of the sort
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You also buried your head in the sand when I pointed out which country had links with the contra terrorist group.




So they're a terrorist group now and the Sandinista were choir boys. I do not feel obliged to respond to every single one of your posts. Like I said earlier, I have no hope or desire to lead you to wisdom. I respond to your foolishness because it must be exposed for some of our more innocent and impressionable members. Some of your stuff doesn't require that, it is flagrantly ridiculous.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5638112 - 05/16/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
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Alex213 said:
I doubt it. Recently Gadafy has been willing to work with the international community and to reform his actions, which I doubt Saddam would have been willing to do.



Yeah but in the 1980's you'd have doubted Gaddafi would reform his actions too.




Good point.




Gaddafi became "reformed" when we sent a bomb into his tent and then invaded Iraq. I might've "reformed" myself if I was looking at what he was looking at. In a town of big gunslingers it's probably best not to have a gun at all if you can't keep up. Problem for Saddam was he thought he had big guns. Too bad for him.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5640453 - 05/17/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Gaddafi became "reformed" when we sent a bomb into his tent

The one that missed and killed a load of innocent kids?

You do realise that was in 1986 don't you?

I might've "reformed" myself if I was looking at what he was looking at.

What was he looking at? Seems to me like he's blown a couple hundred americans up and got away with it, then 18 years later said "i've given up WMD" when he hadn't any interest in them anyway. Now Bush has crawled on his belly to Gaddaffi because he desperately needs a "success" in his catastrophic "war on terror".

Gaddaffi 1, Bush 0.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: Alex213]
    #5642384 - 05/17/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Gaddafi became "reformed" when we sent a bomb into his tent

The one that missed and killed a load of innocent kids?




Oh it didn't miss, he just wasn't there. Killed some of his family though. He calmed down a bit after that, not enough but some.
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You do realise that was in 1986 don't you?




Why don't you quote the whole sentence, which was, "Gaddafi became "reformed" when we sent a bomb into his tent and then invaded Iraq." You do understand the word "and" don't you?
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I might've "reformed" myself if I was looking at what he was looking at.

What was he looking at? Seems to me like he's blown a couple hundred americans up and got away with it,




Well not exactly got away with it. 2.7 billion dollar settlement plus having some of your family blown up is not exactly getting away with it.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/28/libya.lockerbie.settlement/

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then 18 years later said "i've given up WMD" when he hadn't any interest in them anyway.




Ok Kreskin, whatever you say. What took him so long?. He so badly wanted sanctions to end he agreed to pay the rest of a huge settlement if they did. Hmmm, let's see, waits 18 years and then caves. I wonder what could have been the final straw.
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Now Bush has crawled on his belly to Gaddaffi because he desperately needs a "success" in his catastrophic "war on terror".




Why don't you enlighten us all with your description of the Bush belly crawl. Did we bribe him? Noooo. Did we offer him anything other than re-entry into the rest of the world on equal footing (In a UN legal sense) if he renounces terrorism and pays his bill? No. Come on A. A fiction writer of your skill can surely come up with something
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Gaddaffi 1, Bush 0.




zappaisgod 1,000,000,000,000, Alex 0. Keep 'em coming kid, keep 'em coming. Phred and I love you.


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Re: Would this have happened with Saddam too? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5644729 - 05/18/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh it didn't miss, he just wasn't there.

That's a good one  :grin:

So trying to kill Gaddaffi and missing him...that's not a miss in your book? So if they'd killed Gaddaffi what would that have been?

Why don't you quote the whole sentence, which was, "Gaddafi became "reformed"

He became reformed in 1986? Source? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass as usual?

Well not exactly got away with it. 2.7 billion dollar settlement plus having some of your family blown up is not exactly getting away with it.


Well he's never served a days prison time or been charged with it and he's still the leader of Libya living in absolute luxury. I'd call that getting away with it pretty good.

What took him so long?.

You're contradicting your first argument. You said he was reformed in 1986, now you say he was persuing WMD. Which is it? Do you even know yourself?

Did we bribe him? Noooo

You've contradicted your previous sentence. The sanctions were removed. That's a pretty good bribe.

zappaisgod 1,000,000,000,000, Alex 0.

Now you just sound desperate.

Keep 'em coming kid, keep 'em coming. Phred and I love you.

What's Phred got to do with it? Do you need him to hold your hand and give you support? Relax, I won't hurt you son  :smile:


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