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MustardMan
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PF Tek question - Tamp down or no?
#5631428 - 05/15/06 05:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey, my questions is, should I tamp down the substrate after filling the jar?
This source says never : http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek
This source says always :http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/23593
Thanks .
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Babo911
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: MustardMan]
#5631436 - 05/15/06 05:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't recomend you pat down, when scooping in try to get as "fluffy" as possible and use an LC. A combination of thies 2 and incubating should give you good results
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Afroshroomerican
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: Babo911]
#5631482 - 05/15/06 06:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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From my reading of the FAQ only (newb), it said that patting the substrate down is a bad idea because u want it to be loose for mycelia growth. Every tech said to not to pat it down.
Hope I'm not hijacking your thread with this one but it seems relevant:
Should the dry verm layer be smoothed out and patted down lightly? Since it's keeping out bacteria should it be a bit more compact or smoothened?
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Afroshroomerican
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Yeah I just double checked.
From: http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek#a2 (Based on original PF-tek)
" it's very important to fill the substrate in the jars without tapping it down at all. It should stay very airy and loose to provide optimum conditions for the growth of mycelium."
But none of the techs seem to address the packing-condition of the dry verm layer as stated prior 
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Edited by Afroshroomerican (05/15/06 06:42 AM)
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hyphae
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PFTek properly done does require you to hit the jar on a hard surface slightly to settle the substrate somewhat. This works perfect I can tell you from experience also the dry layer on top only needs to be level and to the top of the jar, dry verm settles well on it's own. GL
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monstermitch
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: hyphae]
#5631890 - 05/15/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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one tap on the table.
that's it.
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MustardMan
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: monstermitch]
#5633107 - 05/15/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for your help everyone
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Afroshroomerican
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: MustardMan]
#5633604 - 05/15/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah thankx for the help as well .
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CrazyPsilocybe
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I tapped it down several times to settle - you don't want to force any in, just as much will naturally settle. You definately want to do this though, more food=more shrooms. To me it doesn't matter if it may take 3-5 days more for better yield. I didn't do it at first and my cakes weren't as sturdy (and the yields were embarrassingly low).
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hyphae
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: monstermitch]
#5634563 - 05/15/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
monstermitch said: one tap on the table.
that's it.
You got it!
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: hyphae]
#5635156 - 05/15/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No tamp!!!!!! Fuck tamping! Quick colinization. Most of the time I do the rezivior and max fruiting.
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Re: PF Tek question - Tamp down or no? [Re: em_bre_O]
#5635259 - 05/15/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What I do is fill it loosly to the top of the jar and then hit it on the table till it gets down enough for the verm seal.
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