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InvisiblelIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl
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your own personal doctrine
    #5631362 - 05/15/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I seem to have this problem.

The problem is my personal doctrine is changing constantly. So I'm really inconsistant in the way I react to things. I guess I shouldn't say this is a problem, since it is not problematic... maybe it just bugs me?

Interesting how beliefs can change just like that.

How about you? Do you stick to your principals no matter what? Or are you like me and your principals change with time and new situations?


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5631375 - 05/15/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is called evolution.

Everything evolves.....even personal doctrines/beliefs.


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: niteowl]
    #5631384 - 05/15/06 04:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For some reason I'm attracted to the idea of having one doctrine, one set of rules or one philosophy that is permanent and guides all that you do.

Maybe this is unlrealistic.


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5631394 - 05/15/06 04:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have never met any sane person who kept the same doctrines from birth till death.

People change, then their personal opinions of their world change, then their personal doctrine changes, then the person changes...........

It is a never ending cycle.



Anything that is stagnant......dies.


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: niteowl]
    #5631460 - 05/15/06 06:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

true, my personal doctrine changes slightly from time to time, but overall its been the same since i was in like 8th grade (when i kinda turned my back on organized religion), even though my knowledge and awareness has greatly increased since then, my morals at least have stayed the same

yup

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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5631835 - 05/15/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The idea of living by a single doctrine is attractive, but it isn't an entirely realistic path for everyone. Some people are very principled, and have a very strict superego, believing that there is right and wrong, and that it should be followed. They're idealists, and have an instinctual sense of the way things should be.

The fact of the matter is, most people's emotions simply don't work this way. Mine included. For instance, some people are unmaterialistic out of principle, and believe you should be that way, while others are just naturally unmaterialistic and don't care whether you are or not. They are naturally inclined towards not owning a variety possessions. But, that can change, and if they want something, they'll get it. On the whole, people's emotions decide their beliefs, and how they act. Their doctrine can change just as quickly as their emotions.

So, don't beat yourself up because you haven't the temperament of a strict disciplinarian who tries 24/7 to keep his id in check. Just figure out what you are naturally inclined to, and make that your doctrine. If it changes, then let it change. Hold steadfast to the doctrine of Adjust. Make yourself your own person with your own ever changing culture and beliefs.


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5631859 - 05/15/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How can one learn and grow if they stick with the childs mindset?


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5632427 - 05/15/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Our environments change and if our doctrines are going to successfully serve us, they need to adapt to meet new challenges of change and the unexpected.

To me, the ideal doctrine would be not have any.

I like to study people and have watched how well having many principles "rules to live by", strictly adhered too, serves them. I think many miss out on more of life because of how they have them defined with meaning.

Examine if your personal doctrines put you under a lot more stress, frustration and pressure. Examine if they lead you to always be trying to get life and people to adhere to your personal principles for living. If so, they only serve to put wear and tear on you.

Life as it meets you isn't principled, let alone custom tailored to anyones personal ones.


When I first read the post, I thought to myself for a while about what doctrines and principles I have.

I really don't have any. What I have or would call one is more like shifting attitudes and perspectives that serve me.

An attitude shift can be applied to meet any new or changing situation in life successfully and so can a perceptual shift.

I personally think set rules to live by only serve those living in fear who need the security of staying within known boundaries.

I sat and thought for a bit to check myself and wonder if I have a fear of living within rules and forms and if that is a bad thing.

I look at them and think to myself, nothing stays the same forever. All rules can be broken by others, against you at any time and all forms crumble over time. So what really makes them so safe to live within?" :crazy:

Then the word self imprisonment or self entrapment comes to mind.  *shudders*

Some people may see being highly indoctrinated and principled with consistent application as a strength in life.

The more I look at it, it looks like the formula for creating a self inflicting torture chamber to me.

If you have them, keep em loose and easy to change if need be is all I say.


:peace: :heart:


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5632446 - 05/15/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed, there is no rock of ages in any form.


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5632497 - 05/15/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Your personal doctrine should be like the bamboo plant: flexible but strong, easy to bend but hard to break. Let it stand like a solid wall to the rest of the world, but keep in mind that you always have the power to change it - whenever you like to. Modify it according to time, the best mentor, to adjust it to your growing experience. The fundament on which it is built always remains the same.


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5632550 - 05/15/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

From my post in moonshoe's thread:

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Right now, I'm reading four books on philosophical doctrines. The problem is - one will have the converse belief as the next - but they all make perfect sense, which only makes me more and more confused. The more you know, the more you don't know, right?

I'm also working on a 3D project, learning a visual effects software, working on some freelance CG art, applying to several art schools, working a landscaping job and just today had an interview for a sales position (...and got the job), and playing my MSKorg200R keyboard synth while learning Sony's Acid. I'm a big fan of journals, projects and bright ideas.

I just feel that life is so short so I try to cram in as much things as possible. I can't see why a person would stick with one philophical doctrine and refuse the other, without having even read it or researched it.

I'll build my house out of the eclectic sponge that's taken in all the best bits and pieces life has to offer. If there's an oncoming storm, I'll just absorb the rain.




Follow your life like a scientist. If you see a formula that applies to your life best, accept it. Follow it. If you see a better one come up that serves your life better, reject the old, accept the new. Through this act of this discernment, you might just come across the code to the universe.


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Re: your own personal doctrine [Re: Fospher]
    #5633279 - 05/15/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

All good responses so far. I guess having an adjustable set of beliefs isn't so bad... maybe even a good thing.


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