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Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals
    #5630216 - 05/14/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It seems to me that just about every year it's a toss up as to who's gonna win the Stanley Cup. There's no definitive powerhouse team it seems in professional hockey that dominates year after year. There's rarely a three-peat dynastys as there might have been decades ago. NHL clubs are lucky to get back to back championships these days. In basketball people predict who's gonna be in the finals before the playoffs even begin, it seems. Since 1999 5 different NHL teams have won the Stanley Cup, and this year another fresh team will get a shot at it. In the NBA since '99, only 3 different teams have dominated the finals, and that again probably will not change this year.

So why the distinct differences in the Stanley Cup finals versus the NBA finals. Any theories?


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Basilides]
    #5636453 - 05/16/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hockey is a proper sport.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Thin White Duke]
    #5636467 - 05/16/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What defines "Proper"?

A spectator sport is a sport. If you can get injured playing it, it's proper.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Basilides]
    #5636477 - 05/16/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think we all know the differences :smirk:


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Basilides]
    #5636697 - 05/16/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hockey doesn't matter after your home team loses, basketball does.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Stein]
    #5638660 - 05/16/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My theory is that professional basketball has a higher bar of talent than professional hockey. There's alot of anarchy in hockey because each team is basically depending on the goaltenders to hold the fort down.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Basilides]
    #5638705 - 05/16/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You don't know anything about hockey. Not even a half dozen goalies in the NHL right now could even come close to regularly carrying games for their team.

How many people do you know who can ice skate like a hockey player? How many people do you know who can sink free throws?


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5639072 - 05/16/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Getting the basket is only 10% of the play. You have to penetrate the defense. You have to find the open man. You have to exploit the double-team. AND you have to use the rim to your advantage, otherwise 17 seconds of play making could go right down the drain.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Basilides]
    #5643708 - 05/17/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thats exactly like hockey, except pare time from that 17 seconds of playmaking to about 10 for hockey.

Look at it this way: positioning, offense, defense in basketball and hockey are paralell on many levels, so don't even go there. But moving quickly on skates is harder than moving quickly on your feet. Dribbling a ball with pressure is easier than carrying a puck with pressure. Shooting a 90mph slap shot to the corner is harder than sinking a fade away.


I'm not saying hockey takes more skill, but to say basketball takes more skill than hockey is absurd.

Just because you don't understand hockey, and therefore think it simple, doesn't make it so...


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5643726 - 05/17/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not to mention playing on an unsteady surface. I would say hockey requires more single body coordination than basketball.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Basilides]
    #5647201 - 05/18/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

To reply to the first post I would say that the economics involved in each sport play alot to the outcome of playoffs. Their are not many great players in the NHL like Garnett or Kobe who stick around for a decade while a whole team gets built around them. In hockey, players move around alot more like in baseball. This levels the playing field, so to speak


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5647226 - 05/18/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I hate trades. I'm glad there's more consistency in the NBA.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5647364 - 05/18/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've played both sports for several years, and I don't think there is much of a difference in difficulty between the two sports.

There is one real big difference, actually. It's a lot easier to become moderately good at hockey than it is basketball. To become very skilled, though, it's much harder to cross that threshold in hockey than in basketball, though.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Basilides]
    #5656107 - 05/21/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
My theory is that professional basketball has a higher bar of talent than professional hockey. There's alot of anarchy in hockey because each team is basically depending on the goaltenders to hold the fort down.




You couldn't be more wrong. If you had any hockey knowledge you'd realize that good hockey teams are successful because of a series of systems that are designed to trap, pressure, create turn overs, and make the opposition make mistakes. Although the goaltender plays a important and decisive role, hockey is a team sport and requires each individual on the bench to contribute to the game plan.

As much as I love basketball, having played over 10 years of competitive hockey it is in my opinion that hockey requires more talent. The physical aspect alone makes it a much more intense sport.


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Re: Stanley Cup Finals vs. NBA Finals [Re: Stein]
    #14554258 - 06/03/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Not to mention playing on an unsteady surface.  I would say hockey requires more single body coordination than basketball.




Hockey players work out after the game, then they get up at 6am and skate the next morning, work out some more, and then study the last hockey game.  Then they skate, work out, skate, and sleep.  Rinse and repeat.  Those guys are crazy athletes....even football players are in awe of them.  I've seen football players talk about hockey players and they praise them for the incredible training they do. 

Also hockey is a great sport to study brain damage through hard impacts.  They've learned so much from concussions. not to mention its fun to watch bare knuckle fighting!


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