Home | Community | Message Board

Original Seeds Store
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6  [ show all ]
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness
    #5629907 - 05/14/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have been a serious student and practitioner of shamanism for over 8 years. In the past on this forum I would only grudgingly and rarely discuss matters not firmly based in the realm of absolute science. This was due to an insecurity within myself. Maybe some would say that I have crossed a line over to losing my rationality. Maybe I am becoming less sane as time moves on. Maybe I have hit the point where my social programming has become less relevant to my world view. I prefer to believe the last choice as true. In any case I would like to discuss some of the techniques that i have learned to live by during this last decade of my life.

The issue I would like to discuss concerns manipulating ones day to day reality through the manipulation of the awareness. The basic premise of this is that by manipulating one's awareness that one can cause a change to the consensual reality that we all share. In order to practice this it has been helpful to me to view the world as it truly is....a matrix of energy. Our perception of solid matter is merely a conveniant means through which we can percieve our reality. It consists of our layers of cultural programming layered on top of the material frame of reference that makes up our world. In science, and in my world view, the sum total of creation comes down to the conversion and the transfer of energy. When we eat, exercise, communicate or otherwise interact with our environment and each other we are engaging in transfering and converting energy. The ability to efficiently convert and transfer energy is based on our level of what many tribal cultures refer to as personal power...the subject of this post. Personal power is a very simple concept with very complex ramifacations. It is, simply put, the energy we get from food, air, and sunshine.

If one has plenty of personal power one can use it to effectively apply the will. Unfortunately, most of us are weak in this area of our lives due to the inefficient application of our personal power. Often people develop behaviors which exhaust our supply of personal power without giving us much in return. This leaves precious little for improving ourselve or effecting change. Examples of these types of wasteful behaviors are addictions to substances, practices, or people, non-productive or counterproductive interactions with other humans, and other similarly dogmatic behaviors and beliefs as well as intense ego based emotional baggage. These actions (or beliefs) require energy to maintain them, but give little or no return. Some behaviors like addictions can actually become a power sink that constantly drains us of our personal power. The key to making power available to us is in eliminating these wasteful and counterproductive behaviors. It is easier to start by eliminating minor behaviors first freeing personal power little by little. If you try getting the really strong behaviors first you will likely not have enough personal power to finish the job, so start small and work up to eliminating strong behaviors, beliefs, and the emotional baggage that causes these behaviors and beliefs. Interacting with extremely needy people is an easy type of first behavior to eliminate. These people drain our power through their lack of empowerment. They use our time and emotional energy to effect energy conversions that they never learned to make themselves....they are similar to vampires. They always have problems or complaints and often seem ecstatic to relate them. This is an expression of their relief from finding someone whose power they can drain. They do not engage in this conciously. Another type of small behavior easy to cut out is time wasted reading junk mail and junk email. Gradually work upwards until one can conquer the big ones like addictions.

If one learns to live in a simple, pragmatic manner one can amass a large store of personal power. This power can be used to effect changes in our reality that can extend from simple to changes that are preternatural in nature. Later I will discuss techniques that can be used to effectively apply personal power to the will such as dreaming and stalking.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630004 - 05/14/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

addictions to substances, practices, or people, non-productive or counterproductive interactions with other humans, and other similarly dogmatic behaviors and beliefs as well as intense ego based emotional baggage.




IMO, the central theme to these energy-draining behaviors is an unwillingness to accept reality as-is, and as it is ever-becoming.

(Otherwise known as neurosis.)

My cultivation of personal power began with the elimination of small drains on my energy, progressed to major simplification of my daily life, and continued inward as I recognized my neurotic behavior patterns.

The process of developing an honest relationship with reality, which includes facing up to both my personality AND my divinity, has reclaimed much of the personal power I was taught to give away.


Edited by Veritas (05/14/06 08:45 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Veritas]
    #5630040 - 05/14/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What is reality "as is"? Is it what your culture programmed into you? How do you define this? Once you define reality you set your limitations. My paradigm for reality has shifted many times in my life opening new doors each time. To me it is a mystery and I prefer to keep it that way. If I accepted reality as is I would have never embarked on a spiritual path. Define what you mean as I am not clear on it.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630046 - 05/14/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Again powerful ideas, and you are preaching to the choir here also. I have been striving to store power using this little step technique. I would add that setbacks are part of this process. You don't have to feel you are done because you have backslid for some time. Any moment you can decide to move your energy.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5630054 - 05/14/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am the king of "backsliding".


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630083 - 05/14/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I said "as-is and as it is ever-becoming" :grin:

This means keeping your eyes open, watching your habitual reactions to your perceptions, getting out of your own way.  It also means letting go of each momentary reality as it passes, not believing that it is persistent or real after it is done.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Veritas]
    #5630096 - 05/14/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I got you. I agree totally. The "as is" threw me off. Like buying a car "as is" is how I first interpreted it.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630118 - 05/14/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, for me "as-is" means without my romantic embellishments, wishful thinking, deliberate denial, escapism, etc...  My relationship with reality has been a bumpy one. :grin:

The real world I lived in, without any desire to change it or escape it, was the forest.  Whenever I returned to the civilized world, I wanted to turn away & deny what was in front of me, cling to what was behind me, and long for what I imagined was ahead of me.

Living in the moment, no matter what is happening, is my greatest challenge.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Veritas]
    #5630126 - 05/14/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, we must be ruthless with ourselves.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemoog
Stranger

Registered: 02/15/05
Posts: 1,296
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630144 - 05/14/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is fascinating. I have a question for you about something i tend to have trouble with: Where do you stop at what you "know"? Like, you know a tree is "just" a trunk of wood with branches and green or purple leaves at the top. But there's more to a tree than that. It's alive. There is some sort of life-force that keeps the tree growing. When is it OK to accept a certain level of knowing? Or should one always be open-minded to all possibilities, even in the simple case of a tree? You could sit for hours pondering the existence of a tree. And i'm just using the tree as an example here; put anything directly observable in its place.

Is it useful to draw a line and say "this is what i know about this" without closing off your mind to new possibilities or dimensions to things?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: moog]
    #5630154 - 05/14/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, that all depends on what is practical to acheive the end that you desire. One extends ones level of knowing only as far as it is practical IMO.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630177 - 05/14/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is still all within the realms of desire. Nothing amazing here, just cheap wizardry. :grin: :cool: :smirk:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5630189 - 05/14/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I will accept that to a certain extent, but I must point out that one sure way to waste personal power is through attachment. Learning not to indulge goes beyond desire. I am drawn to many Buddhist practices because of their inherant impeccability.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5630196 - 05/14/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

IMO you need to look a little deeper. Look where the road is heading.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630215 - 05/14/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Although your view maybe open to the sky, your actions must be as fine as a grain of sand" - Guru Padmasambhava


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5630228 - 05/14/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I love that. It is the very spirit of impeccability as far as I am concerned.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5630248 - 05/14/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
IMO you need to look a little deeper. Look where the road is heading.




The road is infinite in two ways, one in our dualistic karmic vision, and one in the infinite expanse of non-duality.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630250 - 05/14/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:cool: :thumbup: Have u checked out my sig? :lol:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5630259 - 05/14/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

And I'll choose the warriors road. I have a feeling I will meet you there.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5630267 - 05/14/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am familiar with the quote. I concur


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630281 - 05/14/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:braindamage: :braindamage: :braindamage:

Three guys trying to manipulate reality through awareness, see above, :lol:


--------------------


Edited by Sinbad (05/14/06 09:43 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5630330 - 05/14/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Where can I sign up?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5630587 - 05/14/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

"Although your view maybe open to the sky, your actions must be as fine as a grain of sand" - Guru Padmasambhava






Your actions are only as fine as a grain of sand upon viewing. Stop viewing and your actions will be nothing, and the fruit of your actions will be everything. We only view as long as there is something be to viewed. Rid yourself of reasons to view(karma) and you will no longer live in accordance with dharma, because you are dharma.

Rewardance of fruit is always good, it always satisfies. Satisfication is always good, it rides us of desires. What we are satisfying is not always good. Don't start until you are unsatisfied, and don't stop until you are satisfied.

The fruit that we are rewarded with are of the three modes of material nature: Sattvic, rajasic, tamasic.


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Edited by Smoker For Peace (05/14/06 11:10 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5630619 - 05/14/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Our level of "personal power" is dependent upon how spiritualy evolved we are. One can only use what one is aware of. The best thing to be aware of is nothing.


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5631517 - 05/15/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Smoker For Peace said:
Quote:

"Although your view maybe open to the sky, your actions must be as fine as a grain of sand" - Guru Padmasambhava






Your actions are only as fine as a grain of sand upon viewing.  Stop viewing and your actions will be nothing, and the fruit of your actions will be everything.  We only view as long as there is something be to viewed.  Rid yourself of reasons to view(karma) and you will no longer live in accordance with dharma, because you are dharma.

Rewardance of fruit is always good, it always satisfies.  Satisfication is always good, it rides us of desires.  What we are satisfying is not always good.  Don't start until you are unsatisfied, and don't stop until you are satisfied.

The fruit that we are rewarded with are of the three modes of material nature: Sattvic, rajasic, tamasic.




Dharma means all phenomena, so yes we are dharma, we can have that realization. But dharma gates are limitless, as is our real nature. Intention, action, and satisfaction all belong to the karmic bank, the one in which we all have our investments. But we need to close our accounts, lets get rid of this investment in order to be free from this karmic condition.

Its like an infinite railway track, that is beginning-less and endless, it would make you dizzy to look at it. So we don't look, we let someone else take care of it, we Buddha take care of it, we just sit and enjoy the scenery without engaging our judgment. :lol:


--------------------


Edited by Sinbad (05/15/06 07:25 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5631619 - 05/15/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Smoker For Peace said:
Our level of "personal power" is dependent upon how spiritualy evolved we are.  One can only use what one is aware of.  The best thing to be aware of is nothing.




:rofl2: Your dogma is barking. :mushroom2:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5632038 - 05/15/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How so?


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5632083 - 05/15/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What is sitting if there is no action? What is enjoying the scenery if there is no intention?


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5632087 - 05/15/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Za-zen?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5632118 - 05/15/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,534
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5632124 - 05/15/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the decosntruction is good but the assumptins are not so good.

truly we composit reality and what we have composited is plastic and artificial, and, by conditioning we have managed to make it a consensual reality.

with psychedelic you can see the fragmentary flaps of it being fit together and we can even abide in the gaps that are more consensually unseamly and not yet knit together.

HOWEVER,

the record player which creates the sound form the concentric grooves does not also press the albums.
a kind of reverse creation is not at play here.
same as the genetic engineer cannot repair the replicants in Blade Runner.

for coming to the precipice and seeing how unreal our reality is, you get a gold star, but in trying to buy something with that star you lose perspective, and leave the land of angels to suffer among men.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5632260 - 05/15/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
IMO you need to look a little deeper. Look where the road is heading.




Looking at the road ahead is just a fruit of the constructive-imagination. One can only predict where things will go and then hope; predicting may be fun for a time, but it uses up energy, and what difference does it make once one drops hope? And one should drop hope, because there is no way to have hope and indifference towards the fruit of the hope simultaneously, because hope is always for the fruit of it.

Once you're fully mindful and aware of the present moment, then you will truly be able to appreciate the road. If you're busy imagining the future of the road, then you will miss out on the real road as it unfolds. And if you aren't fully aware of the present moment, then you will be less able to respond to whatever future events you may imagine if/when they actually occur.


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5632471 - 05/15/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I hear talk of nothing. Isn't that something. :wink:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5632940 - 05/15/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I hear talk of nothing. Isn't that something. :wink:




Talk of nothing is something, but you can't listen to nothing.


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Edited by Smoker For Peace (05/15/06 02:45 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5632980 - 05/15/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, my interpretation is an individual interpretation of an existing body of work filtered through many years of personal experience. I also do not think psychedelics are necessary to the warriors path, but they can be a help when confronting the self on ego issues. My interpretation is not perfect, but it works for me and anyone should automatically realize that their mileage may vary.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5632988 - 05/15/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is my belief that personal power is an energy issue, and it is based on the energy the individual has available. It is a practical issue, and not a moral one at all.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5633949 - 05/15/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its more than that, its a body, speech and mind issue! :grin:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5634134 - 05/15/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

All these are manifestations of energy.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5634143 - 05/15/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5634200 - 05/15/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not true, energy is a manifetstation of mind, just as our physical body is a manifestation of our energy.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5634206 - 05/15/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Really? A dogs mind creates the sun?


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5634224 - 05/15/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What is your working definition of mind?


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5634261 - 05/15/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That which is empty in essence and cogzniant in nature.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5634287 - 05/15/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The dog has a mind in proportion to its energy, and has energy in proportion to its mass, so its mmind is limited ti how much it can effect the human dimension So it works the other way around also. nothing exists from its own side. Remember interdependence.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5634314 - 05/15/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The dog has a mind in proportion to its energy

Aren't you saying the dogs mind is energy?

This gets into an area of pure speculation for me at least. I would rather work with techniques that give me more joy and power in my life and I can think about nothing :grin: on my coffee break. :wink:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5634346 - 05/15/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No im sayin that they are totally interdepenent. The cognizant aspect of the mind can either result in the manifetstation of karma, or the manifetstation of wisdom. Its capacity to influence its reality however is determined by its capacity to manifest energy through its cognizant aspect, when engagded in discursive thought, gets trapped in duality, which manifests the potentiality of our karmic vision. Hence why a dog is a limited speicies, and would find it diffcult to realize the nature of mind.


--------------------


Edited by Sinbad (05/15/06 07:18 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5634367 - 05/15/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I couldn't prove it one way or the other. It's like asking, "is there a God?" How does one prove such a thing? :confused:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5636630 - 05/16/06 08:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im talking about our three gates, body speech and mind, and how they function in relation to our concepts of "reality". This can be discovered easily through observation.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5636669 - 05/16/06 08:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One thing must be understood. I am not discussing particle physcis here...it is not science, but a philosophical paragigm, that is rooted in the traditions of Central America, but that has been modified to be a model for my practice. Discussing the true nature of personal power is difficult because there can be many points of view. Sinbad, for example, has been influenced by Buddhist tradition more than I, so his concepts are different from mine. One cannot define the true nature of a concept that is not rooted in science. One can only choose a model that works for them. I presented my model...that doesn't mean that I possess the only model that can work. In other words...quit arguing...you are all potentially right. In the end, one cannot describe the indescribable....like the blind men searching for the true nature of an elephant...each of us can only touch a small part of the whole.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5636763 - 05/16/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree to that. :mushroom2:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5636917 - 05/16/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Do away with all descriptions and models! Traditions are always based on human limitation. The essential point is not to be conditioned by any 'veiw'. The view is as vast as the sky, how can it be so if it is limited by a model or a description that is based on causes and conditions?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5636945 - 05/16/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Do away with all descriptions and models!

Tall order Sinbad. I'm not able. I need to work within the most expansive discriptions and models I can muster right now. Maybe someday down the road but not today. I have to start where I am. :thumbup:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637009 - 05/16/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are operating on models as well man. You base your views on the words of others at some point as well. Wake up.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5637681 - 05/16/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Words are never the basis of a view that goes beyond concepts. Words are like a finger pointing to the sky, never mistake the finger pointing for the sky itself. Wake Up.

The castaneda books are all about exchanging one description for another. But that is like exchanign a small cage for a bigger one. We must be free from all cages.


Edited by Sinbad (05/16/06 02:14 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5637760 - 05/16/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
You are operating on models as well man. You base your views on the words of others at some point as well.




--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5637791 - 05/16/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Who says you have to operate on a model? Any model, in the end is just a limitation that imprisons you. I understand that we need to learn to fly in the cage first, in order to be able to fly outside of the bcage, and into the wild. But let go of all models is almost always taught as the way to discover the meaning of words and descriptions. Letting go of all your assumptions and expectations is always the most direct way of doing this. Its could be called "Stopping the world". I always belived that was symbolic for letting go of all limiting descriptions, judgements and concepts.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637845 - 05/16/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said, it's too speculative for me. I don't see you doing it or anyone else I know. I do know people who have expanded their models and I feel in my own way I have too. Maybe I'm just too primitive for what you're talking about. I'm not interested in that concept anymore and don't think I haven't considered the idea for many years. I can shelve it until further conditions warrant its use.

Stopping the world is IMO is the trading in of one model for the potential of a multi-verse of models.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637869 - 05/16/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"The castaneda books are all about exchanging one description for another. But that is like exchanign a small cage for a bigger one. We must be free from all cages."

You need to read the books well...or not, but the goal of the warrior is freedom. Your ego is showing here. The Buddhist way is too dogmatic for me that is why I chose shamanic philosophies. To say you do not use models is naive....the Buddhist way provides a clear template. To think your truth extends beyond the self makes it clear that you are not understanding of even your own path at this time. As long as your goal is baseless criticism I will not respond...I feel that injured ego are your motivator here.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5637877 - 05/16/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What did you think all of the stuff on erasing personal histroy was about then, and how it was explained that you needed to do this before you could stop the world. I can quote some castaneda if you like?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5637926 - 05/16/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Of course, i agree. I never said i was free of all models, or that Buddhism didnt employ the use of such roadmaps, but what im saying, is that eventually, all of these things need to be abandoned, whatever path/map you might be walking. If you need to cross a river, you require a boat to get to the other side, but once u r there, u no longer need the boat, it is the same with any model or description one might be using. Castaneda mentioned many times that a man of knowledge  should erase his personal history, that means shedding our identification with the concepts that form our descriptions of reality. He was pointing the way to insight, using the tonal and nagual symbolism as examples of (restuarant scene) "within concept" and "beyond concept". This is only my interpretaion of course, but ot seems to fit.

FYI i just finished reading Journey To Ixtlan for the second time. Its a great read! :thumbup:


--------------------


Edited by Sinbad (05/16/06 03:16 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637942 - 05/16/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Erasing personal histroy means to lose all emotional attachments to ones actions. I feel it is very important to the path, and after losing personal importance it is the most important part of the path. Why do you think that I have studied and engaged certain Buddhist practices....to lose attachments. I often apply other disciplines to augment my own. Without losing our attachments to our actions and self image one can never be truly dynamic. My summary of course was JUST a summary...not complete.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637955 - 05/16/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The purpose of spirituality and religion is liberation. There are no cages. What good is getting out of a cage if all you do once you're out is to look back in? The different forms of spirituality/religion come from the fact that we are all individuals working with our own karma. If someone has found a system that works for them that allows them to live the life they want to live, what is the point of debate? You cannot control time.


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637968 - 05/16/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Of course, i agree. I never said i was free of all models, or that Buddhism didnt employ the use of such roadmaps, but what im saying, is that eventually, all of these things need to be abandoned, whatever path/map you might be walking. If you need to cross a river, you require a boat to get to the other side, but once u r there, u no longer need the boat, it is the same with any model or description one might be using. Castaneda mentioned many times that a man of knowledge should erase his personal history, that means shedding our identification with the concepts that form our descriptions of reality. He was pointing the way to insight, using the tonal and nagual symbolism as examples of (restuarant scene) "within concept" and "beyond concept". This is only my interpretaion of course, but ot seems to fit."

My goal is different from yours. I aspire to gain maximum control over my reality as possible...ensuring my personal freedom to the maximum degree. I have no interest in life after death or acheiving peace of mind. 8 years of being diligently on my path has brought me much peace of mind....but it is a requirement of the path....not the end result. That is why the book addresses the subject of sorcery...it is about the training of a diablero. I must say that erasing personal power, dreaming, and stalking were not part of erasing personal history. They are techniques for working with energy. They were considered an efficient means to do this...not philosophically based ideas, but purely practical methods. If someone taught me a useful skill I would not forget it because I need to erase personal history. Practical matters are dealt with by practical means.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5637974 - 05/16/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nagualism is a magical practice...not a religion.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637981 - 05/16/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yes have you read the other books? Ixtlan was just one aspect of the teaching. Ixtlan addressed personal power.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5637982 - 05/16/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sinbad said:
What did you think all of the stuff on erasing personal histroy was about then, and how it was explained that you needed to do this before you could stop the world. I can quote some castaneda if you like?






Erasing personal history? Yes please quote them and lets discuss this. :thumbup:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCherk
Fashionable
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 46,493
Loc: International Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638076 - 05/16/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We are religion.


--------------------
I have considered such matters.

SIKE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Cherk]
    #5638098 - 05/16/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I have been discussing a spiritual practice...not a religion. Religion means dogma....a practice eliminates dogma.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5638102 - 05/16/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You want me to quote the whole chapter on it? Or just the parts i think are relevant?

Ill quote these litte parts for you, as a taster :

"Little by littele you must create a fog around yourslelf; you must erase everything around you until nothing can be taken for granted, until nothing is any longer for sure, or real" Chapter 2 Page31 Journey To Ixtlan.

"Lies are lies only if you have personal history" - Same page

"From now on you must simply show people whatever you care to show them, but without ever telling exactly how uve done it" - page 33

"Take yourself, for instance. Right now you dont know whether you are comming or going. And that is do, becuase i have erased my personal history. I have little by little created a fog around me and my life. And now nobody knows for sure who i am and what i do." - Page 30, same book

The last quote sounded alot like how tibetan yogi's renounce attachments when they go into retreat in the caves to cultivate there practice.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5638134 - 05/16/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are many similarities in certain aspects of this practice and Tibetan practice. They have divergent goals for this practice however. The end result are different animals completely while the path does go a similar general direction.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638154 - 05/16/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But Tibetan Buddhist practices are pretty much based upon Bon Shamanism, the pre-buddhst shamanic tradition of Tibet, so i agree, there are similarities in that respect. I just really feel after reading that book, that the goal isnt so different, its just only pointed to in subtle ways, as i feel that much of the book was deeply sybolic in its expression. But that is of course just my humble opinion.

But no-one should listen to me. I still find hidden symbolism in old Sting tracks, :lol:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5638174 - 05/16/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Dude... Sting is Harkonnen swine.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5638185 - 05/16/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Shamanism is a magical practice that views the self as an aspect of the universe. You may have noticed that they seem concerned with "evil spirits". that is because everything...even divergent aspects of self are viewed as being outside the self. Western magical traditions see the Universe as an aspect of self instead of the other way around. In view of the fact that Buddhism grew out of shamanic tradition, it is no surprise that eastern philosophies focus on minimizing the ego while western philosophies indulge it.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5638196 - 05/16/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You support House Atreides I assume.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5638218 - 05/16/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sinbad said:
You want me to quote the whole chapter on it? Or just the parts i think are relevant?

Ill quote these litte parts for you, as a taster :

"Little by littele you must create a fog around yourslelf; you must erase everything around you until nothing can be taken for granted, until nothing is any longer for sure, or real" Chapter 2 Page31 Journey To Ixtlan.

"Lies are lies only if you have personal history" - Same page

"From now on you must simply show people whatever you care to show them, but without ever telling exactly how uve done it" - page 33

"Take yourself, for instance. Right now you dont know whether you are comming or going. And that is do, becuase i have erased my personal history. I have little by little created a fog around me and my life. And  now nobody knows for sure who i am and what i do." - Page 30, same book

The last quote sounded alot like how tibetan yogi's renounce attachments when they go into retreat in the caves to cultivate there practice.




I'm familiar with these quotes. I'm inclined more along the lines of what Hue said. Although Don Juan seemed to have erased personal history he still modeled the ideas and methods of the new toltec seers . He says this many times in several books.

If you are able to find a path to no model then I suggest you go for it. I will work with what I have. Remember I'm an old man and I don't have much time left. :grin: You young whippersnapper. I hope you make it all the way to wherever you're headed. :heart:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638266 - 05/16/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed. The nature of the indivduals vision of this universe, in both Buddhism and Shamanism is taken to be a manfestation of the inidividuals being energy.Hence why u can influence your vision with awareness.

Taoism speaks of energy and the world being a reflection of our internal energy system in the same way. Tibetan cosmology, which arose directly out of Bon shamanism deals with this very same principle. I agree that all traditions have an esoteric aspect that deals with these principles of the illusory nature of reality, in realtion to an indivudals understanding.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSinbad
Living TheMoment
Male

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5638285 - 05/16/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

Sinbad said:
You want me to quote the whole chapter on it? Or just the parts i think are relevant?

Ill quote these little parts for you, as a taster :

"Little by little you must create a fog around yourself; you must erase everything around you until nothing can be taken for granted, until nothing is any longer for sure, or real" Chapter 2 Page31 Journey To Ixtlan.

"Lies are lies only if you have personal history" - Same page

"From now on you must simply show people whatever you care to show them, but without ever telling exactly how uve done it" - page 33

"Take yourself, for instance. Right now you don't know whether you are coming or going. And that is do, because i have erased my personal history. I have little by little created a fog around me and my life. And  now nobody knows for sure who i am and what i do." - Page 30, same book

The last quote sounded alot like how Tibetan yogi's renounce attachments when they go into retreat in the caves to cultivate there practice.




I'm familiar with these quotes. I'm inclined more along the lines of what Hue said. Although Don Juan seemed to have erased personal history he still modeled the ideas and methods of the new toltec seers . He says this many times in several books.

If you are able to find a path to no model then I suggest you go for it. I will work with what I have. Remember I'm an old man and I don't have much time left. :grin: You young whippersnapper. I hope you make it all the way to wherever you're headed. :heart:




Age should never be used as an excuse. Death is always stalking us. Death comes without warning, soon this body will be a corpse, who knows how long i will live for.

Its a myth that wisdom always comes with age. I'm currently on a path with a well defined model, I'm just saying that in every tradition, there is almost always an esoteric aspect that deals with the nature of the individual in relation to universal principles of body, energy and mind. Which leads to discovering our state of awareness or knowledge, beyond our ordinary conceptions of consensus "reality".


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEquilibriuM
dream stalker

Registered: 07/17/05
Posts: 2,323
Last seen: 16 years, 7 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5638293 - 05/16/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think don Juan used his old age as a way of tricking Carlos.


--------------------
HELP!!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sinbad]
    #5638337 - 05/16/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Age should never be used as an excuse. Damn! :grin: You sound like Hue who often takes my jokes seriously.


Which leads to discovering our state of awareness or knowledge, beyond our ordinary conceptions of consensus "reality".

This I agree with. Maybe I misunderstood you. :wink:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638380 - 05/16/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

When dealing with the sense of personal importance, what techniques do you think are effective? And also what book in the Castaneda series do you think discusses this in the most depth?


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: dblaney]
    #5638456 - 05/16/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Of Castaneda's books "Journey to Ixtlan". Read "The Four Agreements" by Miguel Ruiz. he presents very clear cut and practical methods for doing this. One must constantly monitor ones thoughts and actions. One can also engage in behaviors that minimize self importance. Understamding what self importance is also helps. Meditation is an excellent tool to use also. I have found much to help me in the Tibetan Buddhist ideas and meditation practices as well.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: dblaney]
    #5638470 - 05/16/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Find yourself a petty tyrant.:hitler: That will take care of it.  I guarantee it.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5638474 - 05/16/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"You sound like Hue who often takes my jokes seriously."

That is because I take nearly everything at face value. I try to not assume.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5638484 - 05/16/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl:


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638489 - 05/16/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That is because I take nearly everything at face value. I try to not assume.

What value does a face have? :confused:

:grin: :wink:

Thanks for the tip, I just added Ixtlan to the top of my 'reading queue' of books to read.


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: dblaney]
    #5638557 - 05/16/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

When one assumes one is taking what is not known "for sure and real". Only the "for sure and real" should be taken at face value. Assumptions can get you killed. The Lakota tribe had no word or concept for "assume".


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Icelander]
    #5638564 - 05/16/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just don't let your defeat of the tyrant increase your self importance. Pride is the real petty tyrant in our lives.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638573 - 05/16/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
The Lakota tribe had no word or concept for "assume".




They never assumed that we would take their land and murder them. :frown:

:headbang: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5638583 - 05/16/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You missed my point. Reacting to a situation as if you know the outcome can lead to a bad outcome. Our domination of their land was based on firepower and numbers and not much more. Guns can win out over philosophy any day.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638591 - 05/16/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I caught your point, I was just making a bad joke. :grin:

Its safe to assume that I'm always making bad jokes. :lol:

If I still had my Lakota to English dictionary, I'd check up on that. The only word I remember was chonleska (not sure if it is all one word like that or "chon le ska", or if that is exactly right anyways :wink:), which was cigarette. Coincidentally, I don't smoke, and never have. :smirk:

:headbang: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5638727 - 05/16/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am glad to hear you have a healthy lifestyle. I was refering to ancient Lakota...the modern version has modern influences.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5638947 - 05/16/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Just don't let your defeat of the tyrant increase your self importance. Pride is the real petty tyrant in our lives.




I don't want to defeat the petty tyrant. I want to learn to love petty tyrants. I want to use them to defeat my self-importance. They are valuable only in that way.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5639025 - 05/16/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
When one assumes one is taking what is not known "for sure and real". Only the "for sure and real" should be taken at face value. Assumptions can get you killed. The Lakota tribe had no word or concept for "assume".




When someone says "at face value" I take that to mean that a literal interpretation is used. I was pointing out that there can be other interpretations of a statement, aside from a literal one (eg. metaphorical, symbolic) without jumping to conclusions or making assumptions.


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: dblaney]
    #5639381 - 05/16/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

True, but I am hard headed, and I often do not see the other possible meanings.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekaiowas
lest we baguette
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/14/03
Posts: 5,501
Loc: oz
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5641579 - 05/17/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

cool subject hue...

It seems that throughout my life, anytime I tried...I would be met back with that same force (ie manipulating).  I know these are words that I am latching onto, but for me its important to look at them to see where the subconscious is coming into play. 

I really enjoy Zen Buddhism, because of the mode of thinking it puts me in.  What I have got from it thus far, and by no means have I 'got' anything at all :wink:, is that seeing everything as relative to each other puts my rational, objective-dividing mind at ease.  this way the power needs not to be stored as it just flows in an out, without hinderance. 

to store the power is to still use the objective dividing mind (to store means that before you agree in your head that you were without), which to me, is the key reason personal power is afflicted. again, its the mode of thinking that I'm trying to look at. 

doesn't the idea vampires only exist if there is the idea of victims as well?  Do they not co-exist? having and holding the idea of people taking your energy away allows the idea to do so, doesn't it?

is being 'ruthless' on yourself giving you the illusion of draining of power as any other mode of conventional thought (such as addictions)?  sure intensity might be different but the thought still has its impact


--------------------
Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: kaiowas]
    #5642443 - 05/17/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My only description of personal power is the energy you get from food, sun, and air. This energy can be wasted on non-productive activities or it can be utilised efficiently by efficient living. Your reading more into this than I meant. Personal power determines the amount of intent that can be used to focus the will. If your physical energies are being utilised by less productive behaviors it makes less energy available to other behaviors and actions. Think of the way a computer uses system resources and you will have my point. The resources are divided among the processes. If there are too many processes then the computer runs out of resources for taking on new processes.

Being ruthless means to not have pity....not for the self or others. Pity is a demeaning emotion. Either act or do not...if you act out of pity you act out of self importance alone.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSporetacus
Swashbuckler

Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 152
Last seen: 17 years, 8 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5642450 - 05/17/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Where does all the energy go that we fritter away with meaningless discussions on The Shroomery? Is it being accumulated somewhere?


--------------------
I'm Sporetacus!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5642463 - 05/17/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, the site owner is absorbing it in the form of your time and effort and converting it to money.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekake
The answer to1984 is 1776.
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/06/99
Posts: 2,782
Loc: The 66th harmonic
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5643986 - 05/17/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Yes, the site owner is absorbing it in the form of your time and effort and converting it to money.




:rofl2:


--------------------
The answer to 1984 is 1776.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSyle
Kenai Sigh
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/16/05
Posts: 6,678
Loc: WA
Last seen: 10 months, 26 days
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5646427 - 05/18/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Yes, the site owner is absorbing it in the form of your time and effort and converting it to money.




Honest question: was that a joke?

If so, hilariously funny, if not, disturbingly sad.


--------------------
https://kenaisigh.bandcamp.com/ <- Just completed the 2021 RPM challenge for February - An EP in one month (5 songs or 20 minutes). Check it out!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Syle]
    #5646596 - 05/18/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is true...completely. It was a joke, but it IS true. This site don't run on deep thoughts...it runs on money.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSporetacus
Swashbuckler

Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 152
Last seen: 17 years, 8 months
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5646607 - 05/18/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I like your idea of coming up with a new form of intanglible currency though.


--------------------
I'm Sporetacus!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,685
Loc: On the Border
Re: The Manipulation of Reality Through Mastering Awareness [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5647037 - 05/18/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is nothing intangible about it. This site makes money from advertisers. Advertisers will not pay if the site is not busy. You trade time and thought for interaction. Because the site is busy with your traffic advertisers will pay up and keep advertising. You cannot fill a bank account with something intangible....they get hard currency for your time.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Reality vs. the mushroom
( 1 2 3 4 all )
AbstractSoul 10,548 64 02/18/02 03:36 PM
by AbstractSoul
* Herd Manipulation
( 1 2 all )
Sclorch 2,392 28 04/14/04 02:41 PM
by Grav
* Awakening The Master InDiCaToRgReEn 714 2 06/25/02 04:45 AM
by Swami
* no longer thoughts, reality. tak 1,263 5 08/25/01 09:11 AM
by benM
* reality created by consciousness
( 1 2 all )
Lallafa 3,930 31 02/22/02 11:47 PM
by ArCh_TemPlaR
* Simulated coded reality...
( 1 2 all )
theshiftingwalls 2,046 25 09/12/03 09:22 AM
by HidingInPlainSight
* The web of confusion and the spider of mundane reality world Dogomush 2,062 12 08/12/03 11:57 PM
by Dogomush
* Why do people consider this "reality"?
( 1 2 all )
silversoul7 2,912 20 12/17/03 02:57 AM
by SkorpivoMusterion

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
6,669 topic views. 0 members, 9 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.043 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.