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Stonehenge
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Ethroxylum Novagranatense
#5629071 - 05/14/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is a photo of my main e nova plant. The leaves are a source of a certain banned substance along with e coca. The difference is that e coca is illegal in USA while e nova is not.

Here is a photo of a couple of the seedlings I have. I have 7 altogether.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
#5629144 - 05/14/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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that's erythroxylum novogranatense
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
#5629198 - 05/14/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what do these substances do?
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Stonehenge
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: cybrbeast]
#5629246 - 05/14/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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snyder, I've checked and there is no consensus on novo or nova. I call them nova.
cybrbeast, those substances used to be found in coca cola around the early part of the 19th century. Also known as cocaine. Naturally, I'm not growing them for that. I just like the beauty of the plant.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
#5629266 - 05/14/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why is e coca legal then? So basically it's the same plant where coke comes from?
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: cybrbeast]
#5629275 - 05/14/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hmm. Any clue where i can get some seeds to try out. If you got extras now or sometime soon, hit me up im willing to trade. Ive been looking for coca-like plants for awhile, but not too hard to be discouraged.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: cybrbeast]
#5629316 - 05/14/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: Why is e coca legal then? So basically it's the same plant where coke comes from?
Hey everyone: cybrbeast just tried to make sense of the US drug laws. Let's all point and laugh.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: AlephOne]
#5629322 - 05/14/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually E coca is illega.....its E nova/novo thats legal.
but yes, theres no sense in most laws
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: NumberThree]
#5629423 - 05/14/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are correct, NumberThree, but if too many people find out about it, they will definately close that little loophole. That's why I never make tea out of the leaves or discuss doing it. Even though e nova is legal, they will usually sieze it at the borders if you try to import it. Likewise, the tea is always grabbed by customs if they find it. I don't have room to grow all 7 seedlings into mature plants plus the one large plant I have is only in a 1 gallon pot so it can't get much bigger. I might be willing to swap a seedling or two for the right trade. Only within USA, too much hassle going over the border with it.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
#5629483 - 05/14/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Beautiful plants!....
Way long time ago, I had a nice size tree/bush of e. novo going. Was a very veracious plant once it was a couple months old(from seed)..
Then, it didnt quite survive the great move. Was very saddened by the loss of that one.... It definatley was one of the favorites in my collection
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
#5630835 - 05/15/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I read that you need 1 kilo of leaves to get back 1 to 10 grams of powder, then you need the right climate, which isn't really so much of a problem for american coca cultivation, you could find a mountain range that was somewhat similar to it's natural conditions, but of course it's not gonna be as good, so estimate low on your alkaloid yields, but then it takes several years for your giant FIELD to mature so you can harvest it.
Any kind of actually profitable scale coca cultivation will never occur in the US, and thankfully so. Junkies don't need to get more crack for their money, they are just gonna smoke more then and be even worse off. Damn junkies.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Anonymous]
#5632508 - 05/15/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you grow e nova or e coca with the intention of producing grams or kilos of cocaine, you will be disapointed. It's like poppies, to produce a pound of heroin, if that was your goal, would take an acre of plants. Likewise, with e nova, if you are trying to produce a pound of cocaine it will be just too hard. Now if someone theoretically were planning to just use the leaves for tea, then that is very doable. People use the tea all the time and it works very well, from what I've heard.
That's what hobbyists grow it for, for the tea, not to produce so much they could sell it. In theory, if you had a warm climate or a lot of indoor room you could grow enough to do that but I don't recommend it. One thing going in your favor is that if you were detected, they would have a hard time prosecuting you. They would have to prove you were extracting it or using it in an illegal way. It's kind of like san pedro in that respect. San pedro is legal but if you extract mescaline from it or eat it to trip on, it would be illegal.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
#5636372 - 05/16/06 04:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Anonymous]
#5636826 - 05/16/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So how old are the plants in the pictures?
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: 8086]
#5638060 - 05/16/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The seedlings are about a couple months old. The large plant is ove ayear. It can't really get much larger since it's in a 1 gal pot. It produces and drops leaves all the time. A bigger pot would allow it to grow taller and bushier. They get up to 6 foot or taller outdoors in the ground or in a large enough pot.
It's a myth that coca or e nova needs high altitudes to grow properly. They grow it at sea level all the time. It would have to come in during the winter and seems to like it indoors. I've had several nibbles on the seedlings but no definate deals have gone down so I still have about 5 I could let go of. It's not going to keep you in toot if that's what you have in mind. The best way the natives in S America use it is in the form of tea. Like I say, I only grow it to look at but it does produce a lot of leaves. I would not take any leaves off it until it gets bigger than a seedling. They will even drop leaves for you. People order the tea from overseas but customs is always looking for it and will grab it. Plus, who wants any attention from something like that? Best to just grow it quietly in your home or back yard. I'm going to look into rooting cuttings but can't at this time guarantee a cutting will root for you. Air layering might work well or some other tech.
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
#5794100 - 06/26/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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those plants look really good. any updates on the pics?
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: davros]
#5795001 - 06/27/06 06:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi, I've just gotten one of these. Can you guys provide any more info than I've been able to find on growing conditions.
I've got it under 250w HID right now and it seems to be doing ok, I'm a little worried about soil moisture though. Right now I'm keeping it moist & trying not to flood it or keep it too dry. Any advice on the right level.
It's growing in standard potting compost now but I'll be repotting it in 30% perlite, 50% potting compost & 20% stones/gravel, does this sound ok. I've heard that they like iron, is it worth mixing some iron (in gardening form - not old nails) into the new soil.
Also what do you do for fertiliser, I haven't put anything on it but would like to know what works best. Thanks
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: BlueDruid]
#5795042 - 06/27/06 07:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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want seeds
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Re: Ethroxylum Novagranatense [Re: Mitchnast]
#5795054 - 06/27/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mitchnast said: want seeds
You want seeds, or your offering seeds?
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