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Trippin' on Amanitas!
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Alright. A friend and I have been collecting Amanita Muscaria for the past few weeks (they just came out, and damn they are beauitful!). Finally, last weekend, we ate some: About two small fresh, sauteed caps each, and then four or five dried caps each. I know that sounds like a lot, but the drying process, for us, really seemed to decrease potencey.
So anyway, we had a babysitter, the setting was good, the time was perfect. We both tripped VERY hard, harder than I ever thought it possible to trip. Amanitas really opened my eyes to a lot of wisdom, a lot of powerful stuff. I heard voices from the Earth, saw visions of beings that don't live in "ordinary" reality, had the most extraordinary hallucinations.
My eyes are opened. What next? Is there anyone out there who can tell me where to find more information on Amanitas? The information on the internet and the local library is either dispicably biased or completely vauge. Or perhaps this is the way it should be? I truley believe that this is the Soma of legends, but I don't know where to go next. I must learn more! Help me, if you please!

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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fuck man, im tryin some amanita's!!, no clue on any info for you though, sorry. peace

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Sorry to burst YOUR bubble phrozendata, but the shrooms you're thinking of are the ones that are often confused with amanita muscaria. You probably read a story about people looking for muscarias, and picked the wrong ones, and died. Muscarias are very edible, the only downside, is they are very unreliable in terms of good/bad trips. Heaven and hell combined into one mushroom. *pop*

Oh, and methus, you said you checked the internet for info, well if you haven't yet checked the Amanitas section on the left, you should.

[This message has been edited by melter8or (edited August 03, 2000).]


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Try rolling up an cap and stuffing it in a bowl and smokeing it, the affects from this are supposed to be way different from just eating them.

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Naw, amanitas are a pretty safe way of exploring your consciousness... You just have to cook em or dry em to produce Muscimol (the substance that you trip off of). And Stoner420!!! Dude! Before you run off and eat some amanitas, be very very careful about it. They WILL fuck you up if they don't like you. This isnt superstition: If you do eat amanitas, please have respect for it. A lot of bad trips happen because of a lack of respect. (sorry if I offend you... Just don't wanna see a brother have a shitty trip!)
And yeah, I checked out the Amanita section to the left, and it's all really good information, but it's pretty much the ONLY information. I can't find anything that goes beyond what's there. Hmmmm....
Peace, my friends! Thanks for the help!

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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oh i know methus... i always do my stuff in moderation and with respect. i wasnt planning on goin out in the woods and picking it and eating it right there. i always do my research and i also make sure what im taking doesnt kill me. drugs are great, but can hurt you if not done right, which is bad. i was just stating that im gonna see if i can try some because im having an extremly hard time finding some shrooms in my town and im not sure why. and hard time finding acid too. hmm not sure why either. thanks for tryin to look out for me though! peace

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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How many people are going to confuse Amanita Muscaria with another shroom? It's a very distinctive, unique looking mushroom.
Several other amanita species are deadly, but none of them even remotely resemble muscaria.
So unless you're seriously vision impaired I don't see how anyone could mistake another, more unfriendly shroom for amanita muscaria.

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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McKenna said that he was never able to trip from Amanitas--he said this in Food for the Gods. I think he only tried them a few times though. Is the trip as psychedelic as cubensis or is it more "dissassociative" ?

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Actually the Napkin Amanita (Amanita citrnia) looks alot like the yellow variety of Amanita muscaria, but i dont know how toxic it is.

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Moth-
McKenna probably didnt eat as much as he should have. It took me a few tries to actually trip... The first time we ate 'em, we had to go through about a dozen large dried caps each before feeling even the slightest effects. And dried amanitas taste fuckin' wretched!
As for the trip, it's a combination of introversion and extroversion. You get a lot of intense emotional feelings, but at the same time, you are giddy like a baby. So it's interesting. When we tripped, we really tripped hard, though. My friend was babbling in tounges for a while, then all he could mutter was "Oh.... SHIT! Oh SHIT!" for the next half hour. You be the judge of that.
I just mostly got a lot of incredibly varied hallucinations. At one point I thought I was all alone in a giant grey room with a one-eyed blob beast staring down at me from above. Don't have a clue what it means......
This mushroom is a powerful, powerful force. It really has changed my life around. It won't take you where anything else does. All I can say is, if you are ready for it, be prepared for a whole other experience.
Peace y'all!

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Milkman, I was only thinking of the red Muscarias since I've never seen the yellow variety before. Amanita Citrina does look a little like a yellow Muscaria, but it is a safe, edible species anyway.

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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I remember when I used to live in moscow when I was very young,like 6 and I lived on this giant house on a farm and I could ALWAYS find amanitas.....Of course at the time I didn't know what the heck they were but I ALWAYS remember my mom telling me to stay away from them.....But at every turn I saw a huge red mushrooms with white spots all over it and I even remember picking one but my dad took it from me and chugged it...God I wanna go back to that place now


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Me and some friends recently went out into the woods near my house and picked nearly 50 mushrooms (A. Muscaria)

I am really eager to try them for the first time, but I am reluctant to do so due to the fact that every second story I hear about this mushroom sounds like a tale out of hell.

I don't want to go through that, so I am currently doing research on the topic of Amanitas.

If anybody has ANY info that I would not already have read here at the shroomery, or any PERSONAL accounts (like the one Methus gave us - thanks for sharing) of A. Mus. use, PLEASE PLEASE e-mail me at

billy_james5@hotmail.com

thanks.

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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I don't know much about em except that they're not classified as a hallucinigen like other shrooms are...it's classified as something else I forget what tho....I can't say from personal expirience but from the reports I've read at the lycaeum amanitas are a totally different ball game than p.cubensis..Just 1 would be enough to send a first timer to the moon....But if you're feeling uncomfortable about it then you shouldn't do it...I felt the same way about p.cubensis but after a few months of research at the shroomery I was ready and I was glad I DID research it because I knew what was gonna happen, and what was normal and what wasn't......Anywho I'm just rambling on, peace

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Murder Monkey-
The reason why every other Amanita story you hear sounds messed up is usually because the TRIPPER is messed up, not the mushroom. That's why half the trip reports out there make it sound like it's not a good thing; Too many folks out there messing with powerful forces and with the wrong intentions. The mushroom sits and waits there with it's knowledge, and you can tap that knowledge whenever you want. What makes the difference between a "good" and "bad" trip is totally and completely in the tripper.
So don't worry about it. Meditate on it, think about it, get to know your mushrooms. (And when you decide to trip, give it some structure. I didnt do that last time and I sort of lost control for a while there...)
Be strong, be cool, be thankful. That's how you handle the amanitas.

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Aciducki-

Well, what you said wasnt true.
Amanita Muscaria can be one of any number of different colors, depending on where they're growing etc.

There ARE other deadly amanitas that look closely to the Muscaira's.

Everyone, STAY AWAY FROM AMANITAS.


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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ummm... Shut the fuck up DJ Faggy Gee

Anyways, the thing i dont like about amanitas is that when you boil them in water then drink the water you get extreme nausea (more than with psilocybe mushrooms) and you have to smoke weed every 30 minutes or so to calm it down..

does anyone has a better technique of preperation to suggest?

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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It doesn't matter if some amanita muscaria look sort of like an amanita whateverthefuck, because an amanita muscaria doesn't look like anything else- and those are the ones you should pick. Right?

[This message has been edited by Xibalba (edited August 19, 2000).]


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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i have reasearched alot about amanita muscaria and i know i am ready to try them. but the past two weekends i have gone into the woulds around my house and i haven't found any. does anyone know a place where they grow alot in ky?
anyway methus here is a really good amanita link for you. (really spiritual) www.sirius.com/~holy/mushroom.html

stay up yo :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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I thought Fly Agaric looks exactly like the A. Muscaria but is very deadly. Or is Fly Agaric just another name for A. muscaria.


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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fly agaric = amanita m.

i gave them a fair try.
got some from jlf and had a friend in australia send me some fresh picked.
found the high to be minimal
while the body load was extreme.
not much 'fun' and not very 'spiritual' either.
i shared, and my friends felt the same way.

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Hippie3 (And anyone else interested)-
A lot of people'll tell you that Amanitas are either bunk or bad, but they have a few saftey guards, a few little catches. I have been experimenting further with Amanitas and to get a "real" trip, this is what you need to do:
Somehow get some fresh Amanitas, like a dozen medium-sized caps (Those would be four or five inchers, diagonal). Take off the entire stem and scrape off most of the gills. The active chemicals are found in the red skin and the dyed yellowish flesh underneath that skin.
Then, dry the caps in your oven (with the door open... keep an eye on them, and do NOT let them burn) at 200F or so until they are just slightly browned and pretty crispy.
The taste, to me, is almost unbearable. I had to mask the taste of my last few amanita consumptions with hummus, bread, beans. Those things have a lot of fiber and protien and stuff in em, and they cover the taste reasonably.
After a while, you should have a good batch of mushrooms.
Smoke a little herb when you eat em. Nausea WILL hit ya. All I needed was a toke to feel right as rain, but you might find you need more or maybe even none, but it's always a must when I eat Amanitas.
But anyway, that is the method I use. It is based off of the ancient shamanic techniques of the Koryaks. Drying is probably the most important part of the process. They stress, over and over again, that you must dry the Amanitas before you eat them (as opposed to cookin' them), and I would concur, because I have only tripped off dried caps.
Anyeay, what I'm basically saying is that you probably should be involved in the whole process, from picking to eating. It seems that unless you follow the traditions to an extent, you probably won't trip or if you do it could be bad. Just something I've noticed...

Big Boomer- Thanks for the link!! I especially dig that part about how Amanitas were often described by the first Christians as the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. That sounds about right. Man, you KNOW those old saints were popping back the shrooms!


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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Is the trip similar to cubies? o totaly diferent?


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: LOBO]
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go and read up on jamesarthur.net

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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: phrozendata]
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Hey phrozendata - Dont go throwing in nasty shit like that without being sure, I am fairly certain that they are only dangerous fresh and that proper drying makes'em'sound .
BTW no offense intended


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Re: Trippin' on Amanitas! [Re: methus]
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I don't know much about amanita's. I've done a little research when I first got interested in psilocybes because I was looking for a different trip. A friend of mine, who has tripped on amanita's a few times has told me some things about it. These might be false facts or whatever but amanita muscaria can really fuck you up if you don't know your limits (as with any drug, however it takes a lot more P. cubes than amanitas). It also depends how you ingest them. You can eat them raw, saute them, dry them and eat them as chips, or broil them on a grill, make a broth with extracts, and drink 1 or 2 tablespoons for a trip. If your really adventurous alongside with the fact that you don't mind drinking urine, you can experience more potent effects than ingesting them in their original state (when they pass through the body it is believed that they become more potent). These various forms of ingestion will effect potency and/or properties, so remember the be cautious with your limits with the form of ingestion in mind too.

(A classic example of mushrooms changing properties in different forms of ingestions would be the experience of the family that went to a restaurant and ate the left overs the following morning. They ordered a salad with delicious mushrooms. They were given the salad in a doggie back when they left. The next morning at their home, they decided to eat the leftovers by frying the mushrooms with eggs. The frying of the mushroom caused the once delicious and edible mushroom to become deadly poisonous. Everyone who ate the mushrooms died. Temperature can change chemical structures and therefore properties of mushrooms. This doesn't happen with all mushrooms, but it is just an example of how things can change when they are ingested differently).

From what I was told, I would consider amanitas definitely a harder drug. So if your going to do them be cautious about it and make sure you respect it for something that could kill you.

Do your own research (talk with peope who have done it or are knowledgeable on the subject) and decide if it's for you. But remember, these mushrooms are lethal.

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