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Jalruza
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Your a bunch of lunatics!
#5627627 - 05/14/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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And i said, you can not physically BREAK THRO on Salvia unless you use foilage. Discuss.
I used to have a glass on glass bong with a hooj BOWL, it was massive, you could pack about 2 grams of weed or salvia in there, thats how i used to smoke foilage, pack it up and the most my lungs could handle was about half the bong! Its not very practical to smoke foilage becuase it really not nice for your lungs.
But with extract, maybe i just havent smoked a large dose yet, or maybe because my shitty new bong has a small bowl?
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5627630 - 05/14/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did breakthrough with 5X extract... I forgot the dose. It is definitely possible.
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Asante
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5627993 - 05/14/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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'Breaking through' on salvia 'body high' of LSD
Strange lingo you see popping up every now and again. Breaking through means effectively ingesting a huge dose but is approached philosophically and LSD has no effects on on the body to speak of, its all mental.. Just a cultural note
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5628008 - 05/14/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's nothing to discuss about that. You don't need foliage. Extract and a good smoking method are what you need.
The formula:
1 water-filled bong + 1 lighter + (e.g.) 0.1g of 5x Salvia divinorum extract in bowl + lighter on + >30 second inhalation (x 2)
=
"breakthrough"
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Jalruza
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Lakefingers]
#5628014 - 05/14/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i didnt mean ingestion of .1 grams of 5 extract and then "breakthrough"
I meant ego loss
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5628147 - 05/14/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't mean ingestion of .1 grams of 5x either. I'm not telling you to eat extract. I meant inhalation(that's what I wrote "inhalation"). Following the steps, and then poof: breakthrough.
Breakthrough on salvia is egoloss. Salvia has been given it's own trip-levels (1-6 or S A L V I A). Level 5, or Level "I", stands for "immaterial" existence. Isn't this egoloss?
"Level 5 - "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence. At this level one may no longer be aware of having a body. Consciousness remains and some thought processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects--real or imagined (e.g. experiences such as merging with a wall or piece of furniture). At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to these deep levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented." source: http://tryptamind.com/salvia_divinorum.html
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5628173 - 05/14/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ewok said: Your a bunch of lunatics!
HAHAHA. Really, Ewok, really?
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Jalruza
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Herbus]
#5628298 - 05/14/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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why cant you take .1 g in one go why do you have to smoke it twice?
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5628304 - 05/14/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ewok said: why cant you take .1 g in one go why do you have to smoke it twice?
Experiment and find out what works best for you.....sheesh..
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Asante]
#5628351 - 05/14/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: 'Breaking through' on salvia 'body high' of LSD
Strange lingo you see popping up every now and again. Breaking through means effectively ingesting a huge dose but is approached philosophically and LSD has no effects on on the body to speak of, its all mental.. Just a cultural note
HUH??? There are very noticable effects on the body from LSD. They are even list at Erowid
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5628535 - 05/14/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know what you're trying to say really. I've smoked foliage, then different extracts, but I broke through with 20x. It could have been the setting, could have been my diet for the day, could have been something else but I never broke through until then.
After a year of not using salvia, I had to "break through" again. I know I'm hitting it properly because I'm a seasoned stoner, but I don't know... why does it really matter that much. You can break through on either. Can't you?
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Ekstaza]
#5631020 - 05/15/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ekstaza said:
Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said: 'Breaking through' on salvia 'body high' of LSD
Strange lingo you see popping up every now and again. Breaking through means effectively ingesting a huge dose but is approached philosophically and LSD has no effects on on the body to speak of, its all mental.. Just a cultural note
HUH??? There are very noticable effects on the body from LSD. They are even list at Erowid
Isn't WiccanSeeker joking about the way the terms are used/approached? i.e. "as if LSD didn't have body load 'cause it's all mental"
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Asante
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Ekstaza]
#5631308 - 05/15/06 03:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are very noticable effects on the body from LSD
They are psychosomatic, meaning they originate in the brain and therefore are not constants. Not even mydriasis occurs all of the time. The backache you might get on LSD is very real, but originates in your mind.
Its these words. "breakthrough" is approached as a special thing while it in fact means nothing other than taking a high dose of the drug. If you take enough Salvia you will get ego loss. Its like, translated to Alcohol, people try so hard to "breakthrough" when all they need is to drink a beerglass of vodka. "Breakthrough" is getting knocked off your feet by a high dose, nothing special about it. People on Salvia keep getting VERY high but "don't breakthrough" because they in reality did, but it didnt fit their perception of what this mythical state should be like.
My friends use the term "going in the red" (as in a meter with a needle) where others use "breakthrough". It's less misleading. because its clearer that its just a measure of (usually dose-induced) intensity.
Similarly there is the word "body high". Everybody means something different with it. Some people say Ecstasy has nothing but a "body high". I guess most people mean "pleasant effects felt in the body" with it, whereas unpleasant stuff like a dry mouth isnt a body high but side effects while it comes with the same package. Body high is also a word thats treated as a separate entity while in fact it is part of the package.
"No matter how hard I try, I get a lot of effects but I can't breakthrough, I just get a body high" What are you saying people You actually were "there" except you had strange ideas about the "breakthrough" so you didnt recognise it.
In the sixties you had to smoke pot until you "got there", and because people had fixed ideas about where "there" was they never got there, tho their frustration, no matter how high they got.
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Edited by Asante (05/15/06 03:48 AM)
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lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl
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Re: Your a bunch of lunatics! [Re: Jalruza]
#5631377 - 05/15/06 04:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I broke through on regular leaf my first time. I just used an apple pipe. It was quite hard to do though (ended up burning my lips a bit).
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redgreenvines
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wiccanseeker, that was an excellent summation
for me I can count the layers of sensation or of perception after ~30-40 layers I remember nothing. at around 15-25 layers it is about as good as it gets 15 is when extra people start showing up in the "ROOM"
but nobody else uses that kind of terminology, so big deal. it's like counting the tiger stripes of 3-d in a 4-d world. or counting the shells of the russian doll universe.
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MauiGanjaMonster
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Yes wiccanseeker gj on that summation
On my only trip I did on some very potent acid I took 1 liquid gel tab and I got very fucked... it was amazing melting in to a coffe table and being the coffe table and not knowing anything else but being a coffe table 
and I eventually floated down into my body in which then I actually walked around poking things and looking in the nite sky well 3 songs play in my head 
So i dont know what people are trying to consider a brake through ?_?
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