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low potency?
    #5626870 - 05/13/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just got done dosing my first grow, first flush, B+ on rye, just rye, not spawned to anything

dosed about 4 grams, then 2 hrs later 4 more, and experienced a lvl 1 trip

I know that hpoo is more potent, but I would've thought that 8 g would've got me farther along than that. Is it just my substrate, or is a combo of sub, particular strain, cuz I got my second and third flushes dry, but I don't even know if it's worth my trouble.

Any thoughts, suggestions, besides get some hpoo, which I am now going to do for my next, PR's?


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626891 - 05/13/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

8 grams dry and a level one?

where they all bruised up and blue??

hmmm....


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5626922 - 05/13/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dry, food dehydrator

turned blue where I picked em, and handled em


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626928 - 05/13/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

first dose about 6 hrs ago, second four hrs ago

had a friend try em out too, he dosed 5 g total, and simular experience


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626936 - 05/13/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

too much bruising?

blue means inactive

inactive means no or less trip

some substrains don't produce many alkaloids
some substrains are much better than others I think...
right from the same syringe results can very...

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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5626973 - 05/13/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

results can vary from the same syringe, huh? I hope so, else my first grow was garbage

yeah, the places they were handled were a dark blue, changed color pretty quick if I recall correctly


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626987 - 05/13/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yup, each syringe has lots and lots of substrains in it.

the stronger ones produce your fruits usually.

your particular sub strain from those mushies could be a strong colonizer and fruiter but not be very potent.

If you used multi-spore inoculation (vendor/spore syringe) you have a good chance of them not all being equal potency.

However your case sounds very disturbing.

I've eaten 8 grams before and had quite a time. Level 5 I believe they call it.

This does suck.
try fasting for six hours, powdering the shromms in a coffee grinder, and drinking the powder with fresh squeezed lemon/lime juice.


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5627004 - 05/14/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What level did you have the dehydrator set on? it needs to be at the lowest setting (95 deg on my wal-mart special Nesco that seems to be familiar around here). Psilocin (especially) and Psilocybin are fairly sensitive to heat.


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Re: low potency? [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5627100 - 05/14/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah it was, i got the wally world nasco

thanks for the info/assurance


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5627122 - 05/14/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I thought bruising didn't effect potency, or if it did it would be hardly noticeable... sure i read that in the common newbie FAQ or somewhere.


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Re: low potency? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #5627217 - 05/14/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Also people have dried in Food Dehydrators up to 150 degrees, with no noticable loss in potency, probably a substrain issue, I myself had two f+ batches from the same syringe come out so vastly different as to not be funny, one was like yours 10 grams and I peaked at lvl 3. The second was so potent I ate 6 grams and had a serious lvl 4 lasting a total of 9 hours from ingestion to baseline.

Same syringe, same WBS, same bulk, one batch so weak they sucked ass (see my post entitled I Officialy Grew the Weakest Cubes Known to Man) and the very next more potent than almost any cube I have ever had (Have had one batch stronger).

Multispore inoc can be very much a potluck.

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Re: low potency? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #5627218 - 05/14/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

B+ in general produce fairly weakly potent fruit bodies compareed to the average cubensis. Ive tried four seperate spore matchs and they were all the same - dissappointing even off millet.


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Re: low potency? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5627622 - 05/14/06 07:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My one and only experience with B+ was exactly that. Zero potency. I guess it all depends on the particular substrain you end up with. You could probably try again with the same print or syringe and get good results.

Blue stains means active, not inactive. Also, bluing doesn't destroy the potency.
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Re: low potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5628423 - 05/14/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks roger, was just about to post that.

Funny you guys have had bad luck with B+, the one time i grew out that strain i loved it. Nice fruits, and the trip was so euphoric it felt like i had infused it with some MDMA prior to ingestion.


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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628437 - 05/14/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

blue means active yes.
didn't explain well enough...
blueing is active chemicals (psilocin) oxidizing.

blueing does diminish potency though, correct?

is this not actives oxidizing and becoming ineffective?

after the blueing/oxidation the oxidized chemicals (psilocin) still work?

seems to contradict what I've read or I'm confused.

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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628441 - 05/14/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah the temp on your dehydrator does not matter and will not affect potency.

Half a year ago I did 2 BRF grows and I ate like 8 crack dry grams and had no visuals. Strain was also B+ and the potency was the most disappointing thing in my life.


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5628451 - 05/14/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

bluing holds no adverse effects on potency.


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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628455 - 05/14/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thank you coda...

I stand corrected.

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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628456 - 05/14/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

When spores germinate into Monokaryons they begin colonizing surrounding area to find another Mono. When two Monos meet they form a Dikar (using shortened versions of Monokaryon and Dikaryon) which then begins consuming substrate. When a Dikar meets a Mono it immediately absrorbs it into its myc network, if two Dikars meet one may consume the other or a line of contention may form (explaining voids in the hyphae network and why sometimes two sides of a tub will fruit differently), as a jar colonizes it solidifies into a single network or a mix of contentious networks. Once you spawn to bulk the process continues. In the end you get an uncertainty of your end result. As you don't know wether a potent or good fruiting network won out. This is why agar work is adviseable once you get a good potent fruiter you clone it, and using agar isolates gurantee that you can at least keep it for a while. If you alternate between Malt and Potato Agar you can prolong the onset of seniscence (degradation of the genetic structure). You sadly can only clone for so long before it just dies....

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Re: low potency? [Re: mungojerry]
    #5628663 - 05/14/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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the trip was so euphoric it felt like i had infused it with some MDMA prior to ingestion.




this is how my last batch of shrooms were too, i love those trips. i know the feeling you are talking about, its bliss man, and i say its better than mdma infact. i have some b+ spores now and i was gonna grow them for the big shrooms i hear they can produce, im glad to hear some positive feedback rather than all the shitty. i hope im not disappointed like the others. :frown:


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Re: low potency? [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #5628680 - 05/14/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

big doesn't mean better.

look at pan cyans.


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5629145 - 05/14/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks everyone for the feedback, good to know I'm not the only one this has happened to.

Got some hpoo for my PR's (expecting better results, hah), hopefully I'll be getting a digi soon so I can post some pics of it


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5629450 - 05/14/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i know that :heart: i just like to pick fatties :grin: and i always enjoy beating my record. the biggest ive been able to grow thus far is 87g fresh. which isnt too bad, but i know people have grown twice that. This is an awesome hobby :mushroom2:

i rememebr seeing 160g+ B+ shroom. it was either here or at the nook, not for sure where i saw it.

but i want to try my hand at pan cyans as well for the potency. i think i would just stick it to the pans if i can get them to grow. id just make all .5g capules so dosing is convenient. would be great to take one lil capsule and trip balls like i ate a couple or few grams of cubes :laugh:


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5629464 - 05/14/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and i hope that your next batch of mushies kick your ass into the blissful trip that you deserve for taking 8g's and not feeling much of anything. that just sucks. but hey at least you didnt buy them, thats the good thing about growing your own.


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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5629721 - 05/14/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Funny you guys have had bad luck with B+, the one time i grew out that strain i loved it.  Nice fruits, and the trip was so euphoric it felt like i had infused it with some MDMA prior to ingestion.



Same here.  The B+ I grew a few years back had similar effects.  They were also on cakes which are supposed to have less potency.  No complaints here. :mushroom2:


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Re: low potency? [Re: Mushit]
    #5629797 - 05/14/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

shrromsnotwar.

low potency is a harsh revelation to the first time grower. the HP is going to help dramatical in this aspect but like was already said this has to be done right, lots of good teks here on using HP.

for my first grow i had some very week Golden Teachers. i found that what was needed was just to consume more. however eating 10 grams of dry or 75g wet can be fairly unpleasant. I used a cold grapefruit juice extraction that was fairly effective and ended up doing an anhydrous alcohol extraction for the rest of the weight. The second approach was the most effective as it allows for uniformity in dosage as the final product is very nearly pure psilocin/psilocybin. you will lose a little of the active alkaloid this way but IMHO it is far better to lose a bit than to have the "trip doubt" (did i take enough? is this it? am i peeking, is this going to get any stronger, should i take more???? WTF is this it???) the alcohol extraction is outlined in the recipes section of the shroomery and is exceptionally easy to do. Be carefully with an eye to dosage, this will result in very nearly pure crystals and you can over do it very easily. Of course I'm a firm believer of overdoing ti so go to it  :smile:

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Re: low potency? [Re: Mushit]
    #5629821 - 05/14/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Funny you guys have had bad luck with B+, the one time i grew out that strain i loved it.  Nice fruits, and the trip was so euphoric it felt like i had infused it with some MDMA prior to ingestion.



Same here.  The B+ I grew a few years back had similar effects.  They were also on cakes which are supposed to have less potency.  No complaints here. :mushroom2:



I have to also add some of my most memorable trips were on B+ very euphoric with awesome visuals!


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Re: low potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18664952 - 08/05/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I know this is an old thread. 

I would think that there would be incentive for one to do strand isolation for high potency.   

I'm a novice and a bit dim to boot -- I need to study things a lot more.

I remember in college many years ago -- 1 gram of dried would be a nice trip-- level 2 at least and this was back when i was doing a lot of acid and knew the realms of trippedness.

But my B+ and GT's haven't performed as well.    I'm still at the point where I'm just happy to get fruits, though.

I'm very happy to be in the hobby.  I hope to be able to contribute something of worth.

Maybe this counts:
Don't eat 8 grams of washington A+ amanita muscaria... i heard that 8 g was the minimum therapeutic dose... but it whacked me.  unbelievable ataxia... temp blindness, etc.  got a black eye from falling down the stairs.  massive sweating... my jack russells were licking the sweat off my bald scalp while I was rushing on the floor... i wasn't coherent enough to see if they were laying beside me the rest of the night twitching and tripping... but they don't seem to hold it against me.

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