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OfflineShroomsnotWar
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low potency?
    #5626870 - 05/13/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just got done dosing my first grow, first flush, B+ on rye, just rye, not spawned to anything

dosed about 4 grams, then 2 hrs later 4 more, and experienced a lvl 1 trip

I know that hpoo is more potent, but I would've thought that 8 g would've got me farther along than that. Is it just my substrate, or is a combo of sub, particular strain, cuz I got my second and third flushes dry, but I don't even know if it's worth my trouble.

Any thoughts, suggestions, besides get some hpoo, which I am now going to do for my next, PR's?


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626891 - 05/13/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

8 grams dry and a level one?

where they all bruised up and blue??

hmmm....


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5626922 - 05/13/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dry, food dehydrator

turned blue where I picked em, and handled em


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626928 - 05/13/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

first dose about 6 hrs ago, second four hrs ago

had a friend try em out too, he dosed 5 g total, and simular experience


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626936 - 05/13/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

too much bruising?

blue means inactive

inactive means no or less trip

some substrains don't produce many alkaloids
some substrains are much better than others I think...
right from the same syringe results can very...

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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5626973 - 05/13/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

results can vary from the same syringe, huh? I hope so, else my first grow was garbage

yeah, the places they were handled were a dark blue, changed color pretty quick if I recall correctly


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5626987 - 05/13/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yup, each syringe has lots and lots of substrains in it.

the stronger ones produce your fruits usually.

your particular sub strain from those mushies could be a strong colonizer and fruiter but not be very potent.

If you used multi-spore inoculation (vendor/spore syringe) you have a good chance of them not all being equal potency.

However your case sounds very disturbing.

I've eaten 8 grams before and had quite a time. Level 5 I believe they call it.

This does suck.
try fasting for six hours, powdering the shromms in a coffee grinder, and drinking the powder with fresh squeezed lemon/lime juice.


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5627004 - 05/14/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What level did you have the dehydrator set on? it needs to be at the lowest setting (95 deg on my wal-mart special Nesco that seems to be familiar around here). Psilocin (especially) and Psilocybin are fairly sensitive to heat.


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Re: low potency? [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5627100 - 05/14/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah it was, i got the wally world nasco

thanks for the info/assurance


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Re: low potency? [Re: ShroomsnotWar]
    #5627122 - 05/14/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I thought bruising didn't effect potency, or if it did it would be hardly noticeable... sure i read that in the common newbie FAQ or somewhere.


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Re: low potency? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #5627217 - 05/14/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Also people have dried in Food Dehydrators up to 150 degrees, with no noticable loss in potency, probably a substrain issue, I myself had two f+ batches from the same syringe come out so vastly different as to not be funny, one was like yours 10 grams and I peaked at lvl 3. The second was so potent I ate 6 grams and had a serious lvl 4 lasting a total of 9 hours from ingestion to baseline.

Same syringe, same WBS, same bulk, one batch so weak they sucked ass (see my post entitled I Officialy Grew the Weakest Cubes Known to Man) and the very next more potent than almost any cube I have ever had (Have had one batch stronger).

Multispore inoc can be very much a potluck.

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Re: low potency? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #5627218 - 05/14/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

B+ in general produce fairly weakly potent fruit bodies compareed to the average cubensis. Ive tried four seperate spore matchs and they were all the same - dissappointing even off millet.


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Re: low potency? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5627622 - 05/14/06 07:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My one and only experience with B+ was exactly that. Zero potency. I guess it all depends on the particular substrain you end up with. You could probably try again with the same print or syringe and get good results.

Blue stains means active, not inactive. Also, bluing doesn't destroy the potency.
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Re: low potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5628423 - 05/14/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks roger, was just about to post that.

Funny you guys have had bad luck with B+, the one time i grew out that strain i loved it. Nice fruits, and the trip was so euphoric it felt like i had infused it with some MDMA prior to ingestion.


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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628437 - 05/14/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

blue means active yes.
didn't explain well enough...
blueing is active chemicals (psilocin) oxidizing.

blueing does diminish potency though, correct?

is this not actives oxidizing and becoming ineffective?

after the blueing/oxidation the oxidized chemicals (psilocin) still work?

seems to contradict what I've read or I'm confused.

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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628441 - 05/14/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah the temp on your dehydrator does not matter and will not affect potency.

Half a year ago I did 2 BRF grows and I ate like 8 crack dry grams and had no visuals. Strain was also B+ and the potency was the most disappointing thing in my life.


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Re: low potency? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5628451 - 05/14/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

bluing holds no adverse effects on potency.


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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628455 - 05/14/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thank you coda...

I stand corrected.

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Re: low potency? [Re: coda]
    #5628456 - 05/14/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

When spores germinate into Monokaryons they begin colonizing surrounding area to find another Mono. When two Monos meet they form a Dikar (using shortened versions of Monokaryon and Dikaryon) which then begins consuming substrate. When a Dikar meets a Mono it immediately absrorbs it into its myc network, if two Dikars meet one may consume the other or a line of contention may form (explaining voids in the hyphae network and why sometimes two sides of a tub will fruit differently), as a jar colonizes it solidifies into a single network or a mix of contentious networks. Once you spawn to bulk the process continues. In the end you get an uncertainty of your end result. As you don't know wether a potent or good fruiting network won out. This is why agar work is adviseable once you get a good potent fruiter you clone it, and using agar isolates gurantee that you can at least keep it for a while. If you alternate between Malt and Potato Agar you can prolong the onset of seniscence (degradation of the genetic structure). You sadly can only clone for so long before it just dies....

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Re: low potency? [Re: mungojerry]
    #5628663 - 05/14/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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the trip was so euphoric it felt like i had infused it with some MDMA prior to ingestion.




this is how my last batch of shrooms were too, i love those trips. i know the feeling you are talking about, its bliss man, and i say its better than mdma infact. i have some b+ spores now and i was gonna grow them for the big shrooms i hear they can produce, im glad to hear some positive feedback rather than all the shitty. i hope im not disappointed like the others. :frown:


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