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Preparing large amounts of casing
    #5626827 - 05/13/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am currently in the process of doing a grow involving 8 casings in 16qt rubbermaid-style containers. Each being 2 quarts of WBS spawned to hpoo. Previously I have done much smaller grows than this. Because of the smaller size of my grows, my casing prepartion has been more guesswork.

I was wondering if anybody had any tips on producing larger ammounts of casing material. More specifically, if I am creating a vermiculite and coir casing layer, how much do you think I will need of each? Do you think one brick of coir will be enough?

Any help is appreciated. I don't want to be short on casing material when it comes time, but I don't want to go overboard either.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5626848 - 05/13/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't suggest much coir in casings. Too many nutrients in it.

I suggest 45%verm, 45%peat, and 10%coir.

Than adjust ph with crushed oyster shells or powder.
I set my ph at 7.5

mix super well in a large round tub. Mixing to field capacity.

load into fp bags and sterilize in the pressure cooker.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5626855 - 05/13/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One brick would be two much I think.

Best way is to make some, and then find out how much more...and so on.

You could try math; measure the length width and the height (casing layer like 3/4 - 1 inch for the height)...LxWxH = x then convert that number in to cups,
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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5626860 - 05/13/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I usually have my casing layer be 1/4 of the depth of the substrate and never going deeper than 1 inch.

Having pre-sterilized casing in fp bags or jars sitting around allows for quantity control and convenience


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: monstermitch]
    #5626866 - 05/13/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oh yeah I meant 3/4 - 1/2.... :grin:


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5626944 - 05/13/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

preparing large amount of casing material and keeping it in jars/fp bags does seem to be the simple solution, huh?  :grin:


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5627676 - 05/14/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Persional i find that 50/50+ works great for me, for bulk I follow the steps in a CLEAN wheel barrow. Then I put into a pillow case, then tie it off and place in my PC 45 min @ 15 psi. I just make sure everything is loose and what not and there is space at the top.

Then i take it into my clean room with gloves on I place into pre cleaned ziplock bag's and store what ever is left for firther use

Let me know if I am doing something wrong, so far it has worked great :smile:


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Babo911]
    #5627690 - 05/14/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

pillow case in a pressure cooker may be no good.

once your casing is in the pressure cooker is has a delicate balance of moisture and ph.

by allowing it to be exposed in the pc you are loosing all of that.

the water/steam can wash away some of your buffering agents, mess up the ph, and foil your perfect water content.

use fp bags or jars.

no wheel barrow needed and no chance of ziploc failure.
plus perfect ph and water content every time. No guessing.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: monstermitch]
    #5627715 - 05/14/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, this is true. I used to PC qurt jars with pre mixed 50/50+ and then  put the lid upside down to prevent vacume lock so i can use it for caseing layer or patching.

I think this will sit well with others, onl reason i did the pillow case in PC was i was sick of dead space from jars  :tongue:


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Babo911]
    #5627728 - 05/14/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

patience....

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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: monstermitch]
    #5627746 - 05/14/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Casing mix should NOT be pc'd.
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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5627781 - 05/14/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

good call RR.

most experienced people I know tell me to pasteurize casing, not sterilize it.

sterilized (pc'd) casing is far more susceptible to contams.

this is what you mean, correct?

pasteurizing will leave behind certain bacterias that will help guard the casing from unwanted contams but still allow the mycelium to do its thing


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: monstermitch]
    #5629684 - 05/14/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

From what I understand, casing material should be pastuerized. No reason it can't be stored in sterile jars though.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5629929 - 05/14/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've sterilized as well as pasturized with very similar results both ways I now pasturize because of it's ease and it makes better mycosense to me thats all.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: hyphae]
    #5630403 - 05/14/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how do you pasteurize casing material with a PC? i have a rocker style PC... do i just leave the rocker off so that it doesn't build up pressure and if so how long???


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: acidbuba]
    #5630437 - 05/14/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well I do use a lotta coir and have had much success with it. For my casing I do 60/40 of verm/coir and add 10% crushed oyster shells and a pinch of blood meal. Mix it up, OVERSATURATE, load into a couple turkey sized tinfoil pans, cover with foil and bake at 200 for 2 hours. Because of the water evaporation the moisture level is perfect by the time they're done.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: hyphae]
    #5630469 - 05/14/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I've sterilized as well as pasturized with very similar results both ways I now pasturize because of it's ease and it makes better mycosense to me thats all.




I starting sterilizing mine 2 months ago and have had my best results to date . :grin:

I use the 50/50+ . I make up 30 quarts worth at a time and PC it in the quart jars just like I was canning it . Rubber seal down . Seals and stays good for months :thumbup:

I haven't had any mean green in quite awhile . Usually my casings just run out of nutes and I toss them after the fourth or fifth flush :thumbup:

For your question on how much you'll need . I use 16 quart sweater boxes for my casings and it takes 1 1/2 quarts of casing mix to get a layer 3/8" deep .

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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: HippieChick]
    #5631008 - 05/15/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

agar(i think?) said to sterilize casing mix (50/50+) then put it outside for a few days (in a mostly sealed spawn bag) to let beneficial bacteria/microbes back in.

is this wishful thinking/waste of time or is he on to something?


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Jack_Straw]
    #5631250 - 05/15/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

CASING layer is sterilized in microwave end of story. :smile:


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: nuk1m]
    #5631426 - 05/15/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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CASING layer is sterilized in microwave end of story. :smile:




Maybe if you had a 5.0+ CBI micro wave :smile:

Micro waves are great for small amounts, but I don't know about you, my PC is bigger than my microwave :smile:


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Jack_Straw]
    #5631529 - 05/15/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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agar(i think?) said to sterilize casing mix (50/50+) then put it outside for a few days (in a mostly sealed spawn bag) to let beneficial bacteria/microbes back in.

is this wishful thinking/waste of time or is he on to something?



A big waste of time bro.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5634555 - 05/15/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

here's a secret, well, not really, but...you don't need a casing layer.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: demiu5]
    #5634599 - 05/15/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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here's a secret, well, not really, but...you don't need a casing layer.




Correct, but a casing layer really helps with better flushes and pinsets.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: FooMan]
    #5634708 - 05/15/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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FooManShroom said:
Quote:

demius said:
here's a secret, well, not really, but...you don't need a casing layer.




Correct, but a casing layer really helps with better flushes and pinsets.



That why it's not optional in my book! I put my blood and sweat into this so I will make sure I get the most bang for my buck! I love seeing casings go 7 or 8 rounds! :crazy2:


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5634738 - 05/15/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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One brick would be two much I think.

Best way is to make some, and then find out how much more...and so on.

You could try math; measure the length width and the height (casing layer like 3/4 - 1 inch for the height)...LxWxH = x then convert that number in to cups,
http://www.unitcalc.com/calc_vap.php




LOL math?!?!? you can jist get the hell outa her with your fancy smanchy math boi!!!

sry its just funny that the logical easily quantified system is way down on most peoples short list because its big ol scary math!!!

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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: HippieChick]
    #5640231 - 05/16/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I use 16 quart sweater boxes for my casings and it takes 1 1/2 quarts of casing mix to get a layer 3/8" deep .





Considering that I am doing my casing in 16qt "sweater" boxes, that is exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks for hitting the nail on the head, hippiechick.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5641117 - 05/17/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i take my ingredients DRY

50/50 verm/preat + 1 cup crushed Oyster shells.

place into an aluminum baking pan dry, and bake in oven @ 350 for 35 min.

take out of oven, and place into refridgerator with paper towel overtop to cool. (i stack my trays)

once cool.... dump all ingredients out into a white trashbag. get a little bit of air in there and shake the hell out of it to mix (still dry).

remove all air from bag, and place under faucet to hydrate (tap water is ok).

fill to field capacity, then turn whole bag upside down over sink, and squeeze bag gently to allow water to drain. once only a couple of drips are comming out, then (i cut the bag down... snip the tip)

load up gal ziplock bags for later storage. (last months)


my recipe:

7 cups verm
7 cups peat moss
1/2 cup crushed oyster shells

(double recipe for deeper pans)


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5641542 - 05/17/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'd do things "wet" as with steriling wet is much more efficient than dry.


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: hyphae]
    #5641865 - 05/17/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yup . I don't get that dry thing , but then again he's not using anything to adjust the initial ph either . Oyster shell sure won't do it.

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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: HippieChick]
    #5645762 - 05/18/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the peat i have isn't very acidic.
It's Sphagnum nevertheless...


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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5646321 - 05/18/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How do you know it isn't very acidic ? and where do you get this "magic" peat from,lol?

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Re: Preparing large amounts of casing [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5647118 - 05/18/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sphagnum peat moss is acidic by nature period. (3.5-5.5 roughly)


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