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Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please.
    #5625970 - 05/13/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hello everyone, I just joined the Shroomery and have went over the PF-tek and then the PF-tek simple minds (which I found more comprehensive because of the pictures and such), and have decided that I wish to cultivate.  (Not only for the psilocybin, but it's just a cool hobby and I always enjoyed growing plants). 

I have a few questions regarding growth:

First, I have read time after time that strain is a matter of opinion.  However, I am compelled to ask which strain do you the experts here think is best for someone who is just starting and:

1) Rather have smaller more potent mushrooms than larger ones.
2) Fast mycelium appearance from inoculation.  I don't mind the time it takes for it to pin and flourish, as long as I can see signs and know I did it right lol. 
3) Produce a dreamy euphoric slight/mild visual experience with auditory changes. 
4)Some resistance to contams (I am thorough when I aim to sterilize however any added resistance is great)
5) Are not too picky with environment temps/humidity.

Also, I noticed incubators are available for around $80, with temperature control features.  Would these be recommended as they can keep very specific temperatures (I live on a mountain of rural PA where temperatures and RF can fluctuate greatly)

I live in a state where spores are legal (PA), however is it wise to order spores via Credit Card directly to my mail or will this arise unwanted suspicion (I do not intend to sell any yields)? 

Is the PF-tek for simple minds sufficient? From reading it, I can say it seems fairly comprehensive and there are no parts where I am stumped (i read it twice).  Or is a book on cultivation in order?

Thank you.  Any information provided to any of my questions is greatly appreciated :smile:


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5626011 - 05/13/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I recommend KSSS, but many others don't like it.

No on the incubator. Make a TubInTub incubator for like $25

send a money order to a shroomery sponsored site for spores

pf tek is recommended. Check out creamcorn's speed up tek.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5574833/an/0/page/0


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5626081 - 05/13/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

1) That would be Pan Cyans and they are not easy to cultivate. Stick with cubes and you could do this...


2)Look into LC....that's is the fastest way...


3) Well that is a matter of opoin, best is for you to try a few out and find out for your self.


4) No such thing, that come down to your tek,


5) That would be nearly all cubes, but they can only take so much abuse.


As far as ordering some are not comfertible with CC but I am. So if you go through a vendor then you will be good.

Books here are a few that you should have,







Good luck man  :thumbup:


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5626098 - 05/13/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You would do well with South American, Amazon, Hillbilly, Golden Teachers, B+, etc., just about any cubensis will grow well on PF cakes. Cubensis is not a picky shroom--it will grow at room temps (faster at 73-77 F); humidity for cakes should be at 100% for best results--2-3" of wet perlite in the bottom of a storage container works fine. If you are paranoid about using a c.c., some vendors accept money orders or cash--Ralphster's, for example.
An incubator speeds up the colonization process, no doubt, but you can put them in a box on top of the fridge or a stereo receiver or a water heater--without dropping $80. You should see some sign of growth 3-7 days after inoculation--if you don't see anything after 2 weeks, start over. The PF tek works quite well--look up dunking cakes, double-end casing, and rolling in vermiculite. These things aid in yield (particularly dunking). Once you get a hang of growing cakes, you can move on to bulk substrates and casings. Welcome to the Shroomery.


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5626218 - 05/13/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5626241 - 05/13/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for the info. 

I will probably be doing a money order to stay on the safe side. I plan to do this mainly as a hobby, so I'm not worried about word getting out through sale.  Personal drops from time to time of course :P.

The strains i'm considering are equador/B+/Golden Teachers/Puerto ricans.

The 2 former seem to be "Beginner's strains" the two latter seem to be more potent from reading, yet harder to control. 

Equador seems cool :wink:

IMO my mushroom trip was the best time on any "drug".  I had no idea the spores were legal. I wonder why mushrooms are so rare with dealers since they are not hard to cultivate?  I guess because of the lack of sociability of them. 

I hope they stay rare with them tho.  Miususe and abuse will make the spores illegal too.


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5626299 - 05/13/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It sounds pretty easy but there are plenty of people on here (myself included) that had some troubles and had to refine their methods. It requires patience, diligence, and an attention to detail (especially sterilization!) but well worth the effort. I think you don't see more 'shrooms cuz they're easy to F-up during the beginning (I'd invest in a pressure cooker, thats how I solved my sterilization probs. and small ones aren't that expensive) I know plenty of people that have had success with the boiling method (std. pf/tek) but it depends on your condition and area - I once lived in a house that was so old and dirty everything BUT shrooms would grow in my jars, petri dishes.....etc.

You said you live in the mountains which means water boils at a lower temperature, which means less contams are killed if you don't use a pressure cooker.


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5626353 - 05/13/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yes about the sterilization. I will def be using a pressure cooker. Read countless failures w/o using one and dont feel like the headache.

For sterilization: I am using my empty room which will be:

Taped shut aroudn the door so no air wil get in whilst innoculating/incubating.

Everything will be cleaned with liquid bleach and the clothes that I wear will be all white and freshly bleached in hot water.

Shower (of course). Put on the clothes (lysol them).

Put all my equip in the room (walls lysoled/bleached spryaed) air ousted. gloves/face mask. lysol bleach everything.

Wait for the oust to settle (5 mins or so). then go on.

That should do it I think.. If I get contams with that much lysol/bleach/isopropyl 70% then the shroom gods do not like me.


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5626415 - 05/13/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It would suck if you did all that and forgot to turn off your AC. :wink:

BTW I'm growing SA for the first time it had mycelium growth in 2-3 days (no incubator).


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: indianprincess]
    #5626438 - 05/13/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you have a PC then you might as well all so start with WBS/Rye and spawn them to hpoo, you'll never go back to PF  :wink:


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5626556 - 05/13/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think I'm gonna stick with PF-tek for my first grow as it seems to be the easiest one for me to comprehend at the time. I'm not growing these for sale or distro so I dont need a ton fast. Just seeing if I can do it. The room I'm doing this in has the vent sealed to the air conditioner which will be taped and wiped down as well.

Do you guys recommend I put any sort of disinfectant in the perilite such as Hydrogen Peroixide 5% solution as stated in the PF-tek? I heard the cakes are pretty contam resistant once they have colonized tho, so I dont want to cause unnessecary mutations.


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5626564 - 05/13/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have SA going right now and it tore threw the wbs and the same with the tennstud

edit: no hydrogen peroxide in the mixture it will kill any mycelium growing


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: freshlyPLUMP]
    #5626665 - 05/13/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ah ok thankx.

3 more questions (do pardon I like to get things right the first time haha)

1)Once the inoculation of the jars is complete, the guide does not say whether or not to close the wholes. Should I use some sort of tape to make sure the holes are closed (the needle punctures)? If so what kind and is it soakable in alchohol?

2) Also, should the tinfoil form an air-tight barrier?

Last question: I see that icubators can be purcahsed however most opt to make their own.

3) My third question is regarding the sterility of the incubator.

http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek#a5

As you can see, the person simply took 2 boxes. In the tek it even goes as far as to say that you can use bricks of basically anything in order to keep the 2nd box up.

At the end of the build, the person throws a shirt over the box.

Now in theory (may be wrong I'm a newb bare with me), incubation would be the period of most possibility of contaminiation would it not? As you are providing optimal temp and moisture for many pathogens. Does the water that goes into this be distilled? Also, should I make sure that the incubator is completely closed in order to avoid airborne contams?

Since it says never let the water evaporate, I'm guessing the best thing to use is a see-through rubbermaid of some sort so water level can be monitored every 3 days or so.


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5626746 - 05/13/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if you use the pf tek and a dry verm layer you don't use holes.

yes, foil will be secured as tight as possible on top of jars.

for an incubator get two rubbermaid tubs.
in bottom one place submersible heater stuck to a piece of glass
fill 1/2 way with water and some peroxide
float other tub in the water and fill it with your jars
water only needs to be added like once a month if that.
no need for see-through, you can monitor the water level by how far down the inner tub is sitting.


just wipe out the inner tub with isopropyl


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5626784 - 05/13/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

By holes I meant the holes on the tinfoil from inoculation (the holes in the tinfoil from the syringe).

  it doesnt say whether or not to tape these shut. So im wondering if they need to be taped closed.

http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek#a4

Thank you for all your help. This seems to be a very helpful community. :smile:.

Will post pics soon as I get my equp.


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5626810 - 05/13/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

once you are done pressure cooking, let cool and don't open for a few hours.

open and remove jars

store and cool

take off foil and inoculate. Throw foil away.

the dry verm layer is your protectant against contams.

the aluminum foil only protects the jars from water entering the holes during pressure cooking.

thats all it is used for


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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5627861 - 05/14/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Afroshroomerican said:
The strains i'm considering are equador/B+/Golden Teachers/Puerto ricans.
The 2 former seem to be "Beginner's strains" the two latter seem to be more potent from reading, yet harder to control.





I'm doing PRs right now (they were my first, and busted my myco-cherry). Don't let the hype bother you. I can say that...if you have all your ducks in a row, you'll be fine with PRs. I have no trouble with them not pinning, and they are GREAT potency wise (just tripped last night, and a single dry gram gets me lvl 2-3 without fail).

If you go PR, just remember to have all pinning triggers in place between the incubator and the FC (incubator: dark, warm, little FAE...FC: light, ~10 degrees cooler, and plenty of FAE), and you'll do fine!

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Re: Specific Newb's Questions: Help Please. [Re: freshlyPLUMP]
    #5627866 - 05/14/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

freshlyPLUMP said:
edit: no hydrogen peroxide in the mixture it will kill any mycelium growing




Ummmm....Neg, Jag base. H2O2 only whacks spores. It will not kill healthy myc. It may slow it down some, but won't kill it.

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