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Re: don Juan [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5629283 - 05/14/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
If you interpret sound knowledge as arrogance then I am arrogant. The whole point of bringing Christian beliefs and sensibilities into an alien magical system is ridiculous. To even argue it as a possibility is so profoundly uninformed as to be not worthy of discussion. I suspect you, however, know this.




:lol: I know this. I was simply just spoofing my being considered arrogant by some, and other related recent events. :wink:

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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629324 - 05/14/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I do not consider you arrogant at all. You are most often very well informed.


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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629334 - 05/14/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think I tend to be too arrogant

Very few people can honestly look at themselves in a negative light. Unless they have just taken some shrooms of course. :wink:


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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5629339 - 05/14/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
The warriors path is the only path IMO that can free us from the tyranny of ourselves and our cultural programs.




The ONLY path?


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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629353 - 05/14/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I fully realize that we are interacting with reality, but it is only ourself that is learning. One can't look at a tree and state that the tree is teaching a lesson. The tree simply is.




Am I talking about...trees? Am I talking about lamps?! Do either of these induce an introspective metaphysical experience? Why do you keep bringing up this non-relative nonsense?

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We are the only ones who are deriving meaning from this existance. We are teaching ourselves.




Really? So if in school you learned how to spell, you wouldn't say that you were taught that information, but that you derived the meaning of it's existance out of the teacher's mouth?


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Re: don Juan [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5629362 - 05/14/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My knowledge is based on nearly a decade of shamanic practice and experience with the nagual as well as books. I know the subject very well. What Icelander has said on this issue is spot on....I see no need to repeat this info myself as he has done a more than adequate job.

"Christian beliefs had no part of what I was speaking."
A single God/creator is unknown to the tradition of which you speak.


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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5629364 - 05/14/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"it is rather delusional to think that a mushroom is a conscious entity that teaches one"

Carefully rephrased for Mushmanicological accuracy:
"Based on my (Firework's) experience and understanding, it appears to be rather delusional to think that a mushroom is a concious entity that teaches one."


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Re: don Juan [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5629366 - 05/14/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
The warriors path is the only path IMO that can free us from the tyranny of ourselves and our cultural programs.




The ONLY path?




Yes! I said IMO it's the only path. You don't have to be a sorcerer or seer to be a warrior. It's an attitude.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5629392 - 05/14/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nietzsche, Emerson, Sade, Lautreamont, Camus, etc, weren't freed from the tyranny of themselves and their cultural programs?


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Re: don Juan [Re: Fospher]
    #5629394 - 05/14/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Fospher said:
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fireworks_god said:
Am I talking about...trees? Am I talking about lamps?! Do either of these induce an introspective metaphysical experience? Why do you keep bringing up this non-relative nonsense?




I am emphasizing the fact that there is no real difference between a tree, a lamp, or a mushroom. All three are simply aspects of existance that we interact with in some manner. A tree is just as conducive to an introspective, metaphysical experience as a mushroom is. It is an individual who has an introspective, metaphysical experience. It is entirely up to them.

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Really? So if in school you learned how to spell, you wouldn't say that you were taught that information, but that you derived the meaning of it's existance out of the teacher's mouth?




Is a teacher another human being or not? :rolleyes:

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For I've never known completeness
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Re: don Juan [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5629405 - 05/14/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Eh, ok... maybe Sade tyrannized himself... but he enjoyed it, so that doesn't count!


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Re: don Juan [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5629406 - 05/14/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Carefully rephrased for Mushmanicological accuracy:
"Based on my (Firework's) experience and understanding, it appears to be rather delusional to think that a mushroom is a concious entity that teaches one."




It is based upon more than my experience and understanding. I'm pretty sure that scientific consensus supports the statement. :smirk:

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Re: don Juan [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5629413 - 05/14/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
"it is rather delusional to think that a mushroom is a conscious entity that teaches one"

Carefully rephrased for Mushmanicological accuracy:
"Based on my (Firework's) experience and understanding, it appears to be rather delusional to think that a mushroom is a concious entity that teaches one."




You might find this thread interesting...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5606196/an/0/page/0


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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629417 - 05/14/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Science refuses to say anything about the supernatural.


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Re: don Juan [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5629430 - 05/14/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Science refuses to say anything about the supernatural.




Scientific understanding offers no substantiation to the claim that a chemical is a conscious entity that can teach someone. That is my point. Scientific understanding offers a plausible explanation for the effects of a chemical on an individual, and this explanation does not involve a chemical being conscious and offering lessons.

Thus, scientific understanding, in a way, supports that such a belief is delusional, as it does not support it. :smirk: It does not refute it, but yet it does not support it.

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Re: don Juan [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5629444 - 05/14/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Nietzsche, Emerson, Sade, Lautreamont, Camus, etc, weren't freed from the tyranny of themselves and their cultural programs?




Too bad for them. Maybe someone should have told them about being a warrior, or maybe they knew about it and said bullshit on that noise.


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Re: don Juan [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5629448 - 05/14/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
You might find this thread interesting...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5606196/an/0/page/0




A popcorn kernel explodes when a certain temperature is reached. So what?

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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5629554 - 05/14/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:confused:


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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629582 - 05/14/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Very true, but!
If a person believes in supernaturalism, I don't think s/he will be easily convinced by a naturalist argument.


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Re: don Juan [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5629596 - 05/14/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:confused:

OH! You're saying they were. Well if so then IMO they would have had to act as warriors to do that. Anyone can decide to be a warrior. As I said, it's an attitude.


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