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OfflineEquilibriuM
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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5628909 - 05/14/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
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No, I am uninterested in your intrusion of this thread. You attack a personal experience as if you can change my mind about it because your personal experience differs. Sorry but thats not the way it works. It you have something constructive to add to the conversation about don Juan or sorcery, I will be glad to continue...




Your statement, "The mushrooms teach us that God is the force of life that we all come from. That eventually, we will join back up with God.", is as much of an intrusion in this thread as my subsequent responses to that statement. If you cannot discern the difference, then so be it.

You cannot make a statement and escape any response and focus upon it by stating that doing so is an intrusion. I realize to the fullest extent that you want to state whatever the hell you want and be free of any questioning of it, as you no doubt are incapable of supporting your claims. So be it.

The thought of a chemical acting as a conscious entity that attempts to control someone is absurd. :smirk:

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The difference is that I was asked about my belief.  :rolleyes:

But I get it... Your much better then me, cooler and more intelligent. I am just some delusional moron. I get it, I get it, Preach on brother! Keep trying to convince yourself!


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Re: don Juan [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5628926 - 05/14/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This kind of defensive response does not further this discussion. Let's stay on track. If you don't like his method of debate then don't debate him. Your post doesn't make him look small. :mushroom2:


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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5628943 - 05/14/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This guy keeps calling me names is all. I thought that was not allowed...  :tongue:


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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5628946 - 05/14/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I'm afraid that you cannot judge what another person knows and doesn't know in this instance.




Obviously not, when they refuse to answer questions and to clarify and elaborate upon their statements that allude to that which they know. :rolleyes:

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You can only know what you know.




No doubt. And yet, intelligence prospers (Fosphers? :grin:) through expansion. Investigation into a matter brings new perspectives to light. Why is it, then, that being inquisitive is automatically interpreted in such a negative manner?

That is an honest question, by the way. The thought of someone holding a different viewpoint than one's own and asking questions of one's own viewpoint conjures up a host of negative reactions. Why?

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Re: don Juan [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5628957 - 05/14/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
The difference is that I was asked about my belief.  :rolleyes:




What difference does that make? Read the forum rules.

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Re: don Juan [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5628965 - 05/14/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
This guy keeps calling me names is all. I thought that was not allowed...  :tongue:




Are you going to consider substantiating that allegation? What names have I directed at you, my friend?

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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5628967 - 05/14/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe your tone sounded arrogant? As in 'your beliefs sound rather delusional".


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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5628983 - 05/14/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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someone who is assured themselves that there is a mushroom spirit that imparts divine teachings is delusional.




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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5628986 - 05/14/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:The thought of a chemical acting as a conscious entity that attempts to control someone is absurd. :smirk:





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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5628993 - 05/14/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Maybe your tone sounded arrogant? As in 'your beliefs sound rather delusional".




Yes, I stated that, from my perspective, your beliefs sound rather delusional. I then offered my reasoning for why it is that I came to that conclusion. What exactly is not preferential about that? I will go unearth the related thread concerning yourself and a similar statement. :tongue:

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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629000 - 05/14/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
it is rather delusional to think that a mushroom is a conscious entity that teaches one.




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Re: don Juan [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5629015 - 05/14/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So what? All three are valid observations. None of them are directed agansit your personal character, and all deal with ideas and thoughts in discussion. Read the forum rules. None of them are violating anything.

Do you care to discuss any of them? The majority of individuals on this planet will likely come to the same conclusion that a chemical is not a conscious entity that attempts to control a person. The thought is absurd, and I have offered my explanation why.

Is it easier to liken such a statement to name-calling, to not offer one's own thoughts on the matter? Of course it is, especially when it is directed agansit thoughts and ideas that one has presented themselves. Hardly a suprise. :smirk:

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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5629026 - 05/14/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I didn't say anything personal about fivepointer. I called his god petty and asked him to give his two cents so people could see what I'm talking about.




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Icelander said:
It would be a personalism to say that you are an ass. It would not be to say that your ideas are asinine.




Now, considering that, who gives a fuck if my "tone sounded arrogant"? There is no difference between here and that thread from which I have extracted your quotes.

What do you have to say?

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Re: don Juan [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5629066 - 05/14/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"We were talking about don Juan, not "The pre-Columbian Indians of southern Mexico and Guatamala." Don Juan talked about God, perhaps that talk "has no value" but thats what we were talking about."

No...your talking about Nagualism. A practice Carlos Castaneda popularised.....a pre-Columbian practice. At least get your background straight. Do some research before attempting to discuss a subject foreign to your knowledge base.


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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629077 - 05/14/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm saying. (to your origional question) maybe to them you sounded arrogant. I know I often do because I am. And I suspect very strongly that you are too. I answered your question by speculating on the reasons they might find your response offensive. So that's what I have to say. Now what do you have to say?


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Re: don Juan [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5629123 - 05/14/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
At least get your background straight. Do some research before attempting to discuss a subject foreign to your knowledge base.




Careful there, Huehue, you don't want to sound arrogant, now do you? :smirk:

:lol:

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Re: don Juan [Re: Icelander]
    #5629149 - 05/14/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I'm saying. (to your origional question) maybe to them you sounded arrogant. I know I often do because I am. And I suspect very strongly that you are too. I answered your question by speculating on the reasons they might find your response offensive. So that's what I have to say. Now what do you have to say?




I don't think I tend to be too arrogant, honestly. Referring to such a belief as being a delusion isn't necessarily arrogant, it is an honest assessment based upon my perspective. It is open to discussion. Discussion is encouraged, in fact, and is beneficial.

The difference between myself and the presentation that occurs here is distinct. This is a role that has been carefully formulated as the result of observations of and interaction with hundreds of posters here over the course of years. It never ceases to amaze me how much people will tend to react as they do. :grin:

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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629240 - 05/14/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He's already pulled over! He cant pull over any further!


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Re: don Juan [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5629271 - 05/14/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Careful there, Huehue, you don't want to sound arrogant, now do you?"

If you interpret sound knowledge as arrogance then I am arrogant. The whole point of bringing Christian beliefs and sensibilities into an alien magical system is ridiculous. To even argue it as a possibility is so profoundly uninformed as to be not worthy of discussion. I suspect you, however, know this.


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Re: don Juan [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5629282 - 05/14/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Christian beliefs had no part of what I was speaking. However you obviously know much more about the pre-Columbian Indians of southern Mexico and Guatamala, I know little more about them then what I have read about don Juan and those associated with him. Which is why I was trying to speak about don Juan (something I knew) and what he said about God... and subsequently how that fit in with my personal experiences...


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