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what I think death is like
#5625269 - 05/13/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The problem is that when you die usually you aren't conscious. So it is difficult to say exactly what death is like because your brain isn't active at that time.
There was one time when I was on mushrooms that I had something called ego death. This is a really subjective thing, probably different for every person, but for me it was actually like death itself.
What happened was all the ideas in my head kept going away and I couldn't remember simple concepts like what a job is or a country or a dog. Then things started to get really crazy and I couldn't remember what the difference between myself and someone else was, or who I was or even my name.
And then... well time just kind of stopped.
I think that is what death is like. No concept of time, no thinking... it is actually nothing.
Unfortunately in real life death would be a lot more worrisome. You get into a car accident and you may die so quickly that you don't realize anything at all.
Or you could have a heart attack and you're so stressed out, you know because you're having a HEART ATTACK, that your mind is elsewhere.
But all in all I didn't mind death, at least what I took death to be like. I'd never kill myself or anything but at least now I'm not as apprehensive about dying.
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I think that mostly people fear the act of dying.
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: Icelander]
#5625295 - 05/13/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I agree.
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The whole subject is irrelevant to life. Speculating on the after takes the focus off the now.
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that might be what living through death is like, but dying is different because you are no longer living.
I am pretty frustrated about the death obsession lately. the topic is largely impenetrable from the dimension of living.
we are so accustomed to gaming in life that the vast majority truly seem to think that the gaming goes on in a new field.
The most involving study would be a study of what others think and how badly they want you to believe what they think is true.
naturally, so they think, the more believers the more likely it is really going to be true.
this is backwards logic: maybe if lots of people know something by actual experience, it implies that the something is true.
but hypnotizing them into believing that they experienced it (or that they know it magically) only provides a crude semblance of truth, one that is more like watching a cartoon that actually true.
I suspect we are more than we can ratiocinate - otherwise death is just a part of life, one which I don't want to occupy too much of my living moments.
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: Icelander]
#5625317 - 05/13/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I think that mostly people fear the act of dying.
you are baiting yourself again with the fear crap
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Explain further?
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the topic is largely impenetrable from the dimension of living.
I'm not saying that I don't agree but this is an assumption on your part.
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: Icelander]
#5625338 - 05/13/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fear is what is used to compel the masses and to marshal them into belief.
challenging fear is the same as invoking it. it is the same as obsessing about it.
in obsessing about this topic, everyone involved is diverted from the ecstatic potential of awareness in the moment.
the cause does not merit such a challenge.
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that might be what living through death is like, but dying is different because you are no longer living.
That is a better way of putting it, what its like to live through death.
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Yeah that is a better way to put it, what it's like to live through death.
I am pretty frustrated about the death obsession lately. the topic is largely impenetrable from the dimension of living.
we are so accustomed to gaming in life that the vast majority truly seem to think that the gaming goes on in a new field.
The most involving study would be a study of what others think and how badly they want you to believe what they think is true.
naturally, so they think, the more believers the more likely it is really going to be true.
this is backwards logic: maybe if lots of people know something by actual experience, it implies that the something is true.
but hypnotizing them into believing that they experienced it (or that they know it magically) only provides a crude semblance of truth, one that is more like watching a cartoon that actually true.
I suspect we are more than we can ratiocinate - otherwise death is just a part of life, one which I don't want to occupy too much of my living moments.
You may be right, there is no way that I know of that can give you a real answer to what it's like after death.
But isn't the question of "after death" kind of a bad question? Because time seemed to stop for me... maybe there is no time after death.
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Well I'm repeating what many people have said to me about contemplating their own death. They often say that they are afraid of pain and fear the act of dying itself. Who am I to doubt what they say?
Now once in the midst of the dying process most accounts take a drastic turn for the better. But people seem to fear the thought of dying and that just seems to be a fact.
FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: Icelander]
#5626043 - 05/13/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i cant take a wiggling pee pee man seriously, thank god for his slippery schlong. so you were saying that many suicidal people consulted with you, and after a nasty bout with fear they got over it. that's encouraging. at least I guess, will you be doing more of this kind of consultation soon. do you think?
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I think the experience of dying can only be described as disappearing and then re-reappearing in the Glorified identity
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redgreenvines said: i cant take a wiggling pee pee man seriously, thank god for his slippery schlong. so you were saying that many suicidal people consulted with you, and after a nasty bout with fear they got over it. that's encouraging. at least I guess, will you be doing more of this kind of consultation soon. do you think?
Now now Red. Don't take all this personally. I said I have talked to many people who have thought about their death. The suicide thread is the other one.
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5627137 - 05/14/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: The whole subject is irrelevant to life. Speculating on the after takes the focus off the now.
This is a very good point. There is absolutely no reason to worry about life after death. Was there life before birth? Is our universe one in an infinite multiverse? How could one possibly know with all the limitations of space-time? Therefore live in the Now, because it is real!
If one still worries, then consider the rational argument that death is absolutely assured in life. It is a given, and it should not be feared but rather embraced (and from personal discussions with others it does seem as though most have a fear of it: it's uncertain and that is a source of worry).
Clouds of speculation clump together atop many a mountain.
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However, one does not know, yet. Perhaps there will be possibilities to physically explore the psychical/spiritual world in the future and to make a reliable connection to life and death of something, what we nowadays would call 'soul', there then in a different 'existentialistic' view of perspective.. Now, all we can do is to speculate, meditate and experience, to make best of both possibilities in unfolding our free will into some pre-given changeable context.
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5627649 - 05/14/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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. There is absolutely no reason to worry about life after death.
Right! No reason to worry. But why not speculate just for fun? And who knows, like Blue says we may find a way to know one day.
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: Icelander]
#5627970 - 05/14/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But why not speculate just for fun?
Well, because speculation involves conceptual thinking, and conceptual thinking is just another layer of illusionary separation between you and reality.
So speculating would only make the sky cloudier and the water dirtier.
BUT: if you're seeking for fun, and speculation on the unknowable will provide that fun, then by all means, go for it!
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Re: what I think death is like [Re: Icelander]
#5628734 - 05/14/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No reason to worry, perhaps, but to speculate ? At least IT is not disproven and has some strong connections to 'dis-mattered' subjects, not only in the history of our evolution  And, at least there is an existence of the once existent person that remains for real, for example in the deeds of what one has done. in the words what one has spoken, etc...
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