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A level 5 trip???
    #562507 - 02/25/02 11:49 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Since dicovering shrooms i have been hunting for a level 5 trip so far i have only got as far as a level 3. has anyone ever had level 5 and if so how did they get there. i have only used Lib caps as i am in the UK but have been thinking of buying a grow kit. advise and direction please also can you really eat FLY AGARIC and if so how do you make them safe to eat.

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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Spitfire]
    #562579 - 02/25/02 01:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Level 5 trips are possible, but you want to be sure of your mindset before going there. The best way to get there is to not eat any shrooms for at least a month if not two, then take a very large dose. For me, it was as if my psyche was a mirror... as the trip came up the mirror fell and shattered... billions of little me's all talking in my head at once... thats about all I remember from it (that I can put into words at least).


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Spitfire]
    #562670 - 02/25/02 02:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I have had a level five or really high level 4 trip once ... unless you have the most stable mind I wouldn't recommend it as it is just frightening -- reality truly is reduced to shreds for a few hours ... that's something I could never enjoy and most people couldn't even deal with, suicide could seem like a possibility. just take the most extreme caution if you are going to mess with these kinds of trips, it is just too unbelievable for words. on my harshest level 4/5 trip all of reality was reduced to a grid in front of my face. the room i was in no longer existed, society didn't exist, just a grid in front of my face telling me everything I have ever known is a lie and now I am in a true reality. for me it was pure ectsacy and enlightenment, it was PURE hell.

best of luck to you, and tell us how it goes

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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: HB]
    #563036 - 02/25/02 08:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

ok so i had one trip that ended with me thinking i was back in my mothers womb and that i was being born into nothingness backwards......not cool. i died that time. it was insanity. needless to say, i did not enjoy myself. that trip i don't consider to be be a level 5, though, despite it's intensity. the level 5 i had consisted of a complete and utter lack of "me". i was totally aware of the hatred, but experienced it inevitably as love. i felt the hardships, yet realized their worth. still, none of these realizations mattered. there was no "I" to care either way. the funny thing was that when that occured(when i reached that state) i stopped hallucinating. and this was only about an hour or two into the trip. the best trip of my life. if it helps any, i was alone when i was tripping.

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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: DEnoG]
    #563577 - 02/26/02 08:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I've always tried to attain a level 5 (egoloss). It's a very beautiful experience in my opinion, once you learn about it. The first time is scary at first, when all the attachments you have mean absolutely nothing. I've done it off of 10 and 14 grams of psilocybe cubensis. You have to be ready, but really there is no way to be prepared...It's impossible to be prepared for it, just take it as it comes.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: DEnoG]
    #563578 - 02/26/02 08:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I've always tried to attain a level 5 (egoloss).  It's a very beautiful experience in my opinion, once you learn about it.  The first time is scary at first, when all the attachments you have mean absolutely nothing.  I've done it off of 10 and 14 grams of psilocybe cubensis.  You have to be ready, but really there is no way to be prepared...It's impossible to be prepared for it, just take it as it comes. 
Oh yeah and Denog is right on the money, you will stop hallucinating everything will just appear as it is...Infinite.  :wink:


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Spitfire]
    #563587 - 02/26/02 09:06 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

level five?
what are the different levels, and how do you classify them?

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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Incognito]
    #563666 - 02/26/02 10:32 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Here are some instructions I had a dream about. These instructions are 'balanced' to the strength of the shrooms my friend grows. You may need to adjust the values a bit to fine tune the results to your own product:


Step 1, Decide how hard you want to trip...

Level 1: (L=0.029 mg/kg)

This level produces a mild "stoning" effect, with some visual enhancement
(i.e. brighter colours, etcetera). Some short term memory anomalies.
Left/right brain communication changes causing music to sound "wider".

Level 2: (L=0.044 mg/kg)

Bright colors, and visuals (i.e. things start to move and breath), some
two dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or
reminiscent thoughts. Change of short term memory leads to continual
distractive thought patterns. Vast increase in creativity becomes apparent
as the natural brain filter is bypassed.

Level 3: (L=0.088 mg/kg)

Very obvious visuals, everything looking curved and/or warped patterns and
kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as
rivers flowing in wood grained or "mother of pearl" surfaces. Closed eye
hallucinations become three dimensional. There is some confusion of the
senses (i.e. seeing sounds as colors, etcetera). Time distortions and
"moments of eternity".

Level 4: (L=0.206 mg/kg)

Strong hallucinations, i.e. objects morphing into other objects. Destruction
or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking to you, or you find
that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously). Some loss of
reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out of body experiences and e.s.p. type
phenomena. Blending of the senses.

Level 5: (L=0.294+ mg/kg)

Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function
in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects,
or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies
explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms
of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is
different in that the actual universe within which things are normally
perceived, ceases to exist! Satori enlightenment (and other such labels).

Step 2, Take your weight in pounds and multiply by 0.454. This
is your weight in kilograms.

Step 3, Take your weight in kilograms (from Step 2) and multiply it
by "L" (from step 1) for the level of trip you want. This is the
milligrams of psilocybin you need.

Step 4, Take the milligrams of psilocybin needed (from step 3) and
divide it by 4.7. This is the grams of goods you should take.

Example:

Jane weighs 125 pounds and wants a nice level 3 trip.

125 pounds x 0.454 = 56.8 kg
56.8 kg x 0.088 = 5.00 mg
5.00 mg / 4.7 (g/mg) = 1.064 g

Jane eats 1.064 grams of goods and has fun.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #563846 - 02/26/02 01:35 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I know that the psilocybin response curve is non-linear, but the numbers that you give do not seem to fit any curve. I am wondering how you came up with them.

Level 1: (L=0.029 mg/kg)
Level 2: (L=0.044 mg/kg) dosage increase of 151%
Level 3: (L=0.088 mg/kg) dosage increase of 200%
Level 4: (L=0.206 mg/kg) dosage increase of 234%
Level 5: (L=0.294+ mg/kg) dosage increase of 143%


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Swami]
    #563891 - 02/26/02 02:39 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I created this chart a long time ago. The descriptions were stolen from somewhere, though I do not remember where now... most likely somewhere on erowid. The doses per level were taken from serveral sources and averaged together (if I remember correctly). Everything was 'tuned' based on the shrooms my friend was growing at the time using input from several different people after they had taken carefully weighed doses over a serveral month period.

More or less these numbers came from 'wet' (qualitative) science based on observation rather than something more quantitative such as blood tests and GC/MS. The shrooms my friend was growing at the time were PF-race, PF-tek, using BRF.

I can't promise that it is 100% accurate, but for what we were eating at the time it was really close.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #564075 - 02/26/02 06:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

1g for a level 3? wet or dry, that's not enough for anybody i know for even a level 1....


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: felix]
    #564085 - 02/26/02 07:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i got a lvl 2 off one gram (1.082 according to mr. deering).
it was loads of fun. everything was ridiculous, i had strong mental imagery, and my face turned into an evil mask (like those things from super mario brothers 2)


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: felix]
    #564129 - 02/26/02 07:51 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

A lot depends on body weight and the genetics of the mushroom. As I said, you might need to scale the final divisor to match your product and tolerance. We were also using fresh fruit at the time, but the table assumes 90% water and coverts to dry weight for smaller numbers.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #564183 - 02/26/02 08:33 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Egoloss is not something that can be measured in grams...It is something within us all the time.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: conphormant]
    #564246 - 02/26/02 09:29 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I had a Level 5 on the side walk. It was not cool, but it changed me for the better!!!


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: felix]
    #565449 - 02/28/02 01:56 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Does anyone agree that level 5s and pure egoloss is overdescribed by people.
I mean every second week i read about someone having a great level 5 trip and all this (not in this particular thread though)
I have had one experience on Psilocybe Cyanescens (Mjshroomer's favourite) and im not sure if id say i lost my ego, but it was hellish.
Basically everything that i looked at was contorted beyond recognition - my sister was green with blue hair, and the room around her was swirling like a greenish vortex. Then id look at someone else and they would look normal, then id start hearing screams and their eyes would move apart and their faces would look like demon-like horses. My whole body ached and i was quite light-headed. I had the disconcerting belief that i could here constant screams and devilish laughter from behind me, so i constantly span around to try and see the source of my disscomfort, but i could find none.
Not surprisingly, i went into the bathroom for a rest, but upon looking at myself in the mirror, i suddenly visualised my huge pupils as being souless and was convinced that someone had stolen or tricked me out of my soul. I must stress that everything was soooo fucked up that i couldnt even regonise up or down and had to be instructed by a friend on how to sit on what i saw was a waving and swirling couch.
This is the point where my ego kicked in and i realised that i was just tripping too hard and had to calm myself down.
I got there eventually, but the experience was undescribable and it was not especially fun.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #565520 - 02/28/02 06:19 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, this is a hard one to answer.

From the description of your trip, you were at level 5, but not egoless. The closer the ego gets to losing, the harder it fights to hang on. That is what causes the trips which are "not especially fun". When ego loss hits, you are not aware of it until after the fact. Both time and reality cease to exist. Everything becomes nothing and nothing becomes everything. The trip actually stops, or at least you become unaware of it. If you have ever passed out (while sober), to me (looking back) it almost feels like that last moment right before everything goes black.

I think a lot of people have difficult level 5 trips and think that just because they were out of their minds for a bit that they lost their ego. This simply isn't true. The ego can be (temporarily) destroyed without any drugs at all. Likewise, the ego can live through a level 5 trip causing all kinds of hell.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #565602 - 02/28/02 08:42 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Seuss you took the words out of my mouth bro..I don't know how many times I've told myself while egoless "Nothing is everything, everything is nothingl." For some reason, I have came to the same conclusion. People fight the loss of their ego cause they're so attached to it, and thats when you have a bad trip. Its when you let go of it when things become beautiful. And Seuss is right it's not like you're tripping anymore, it's like nothingness. You stop hallucinating...Like Huxley said. Everything appears as it truly is, infinite.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Spitfire]
    #565998 - 02/28/02 03:27 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

did a vial rinse once had never tripped so hard. the plants outside my house in my flowerbeds were glowing VERY brightly and started popping out of the ground and walking around on their roots. it kinda freaked my gf out to see me walking thru the yard looking down and trying to grab invisible glowing plants.I really thought I saw them it freaked me at first then i justed wanted to hold one in my hands. I forgot how to make sentences, and could not understand english. every where i looked if thing were not glowing real brightly they were melting BIG TIME. I tried to smoke some weed to calm down, since most of the time it does or it's something thats very familiar to me but it took me to another level and I had to eat alot of xanax just to get a small grip on reality. but it was fun and I would do it again in a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! luv that acid


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Spitfire]
    #566430 - 02/28/02 11:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I have eaten large doses before and have never experienced egodeath on mushrooms but i have with mescaline and DMT. i'd have to be noncomital about the positivity or negativity of the experiences. the bitch is building up to the instance of eagodeath where I am still lucid and wishing, with every increase of intensity or fluctuation in the body sensations that i had the volition to commit suicide (exageration) then the instance occurs (I think) and as Louis said "No words can describe it, you might as well ask heaven what it sees...". All in all, Verry disorienting, takes me quite a while to recover and i get plenty of time between rediscovering lucidity/volition and getting to baseline to concider and comprehend every aspect of averything that transpired during the experience, though in "reality" i think this long period takes the shortest time.
you're milage may vary, i'm not even sure if this is very acurate in my own case but the best i can do.
almost forgot, i have no real "memory" of the majority of the experience, just vague impressions that don't even fit together that well.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: canid]
    #567220 - 03/01/02 07:45 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I was just reading a thesis a friend was showing me on Timothy Leary, psychedelics and the ego. Interesting reading.
According to this thesis, DMT and psilocybin alkaloids are commonly associated in psychological circles as being disassociatives that produce the closest possible chemically induced simulation of the psychotic delusions of paranoid schizophrenia known to them - the thesis believe these experiences mirror paranoid schizophrenic psychosis.
The contention of this writting suggests that the paranoia and fear associated with schizophrenia are exactly the same as those associated with a bad trip induced by DMT or psilocybin alkaloids - their anxiety increases as they attempt to maintain control of themselves and their perceptions when these become increasingly deluded.
Therefore, the contention of this paper is that egoloss as described primarily by Timothy Leary is when someone gives into and/or accepts these delusions and nolonger attempts to 'will' them away and regain control of their perceptions. It occurs in both those under the influence of DMT (the main substance studied) and paranoid schizophrenics - however with the later, it is a permanent break with reality that while allowing the sufferer to live without anxiety, makes interaction with the real world impossible.
I dont know how valid this is, but i thought id post a synopsis of it.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #567238 - 03/01/02 08:11 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

That is really interesting, though I would not agree with this hypothesis (that egoloss is accepting delusions or whatnot). Egoloss can also be achieved through meditation. You simply train yourself to quit thinking. The few times I think I made it to egoloss using drugs I found my way there by losing myself in the patterns that objects, such as the carpet, were making. It was more of a focus, not an acceptance. I have also had extremly rough trips where my only choice was to give in to what was happening and wait for the ride to end. By giving in, the paranoia ceaces, but it is nowhere near egoloss as I think I have experienced it. Still and interesting read non-the-less.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: conphormant]
    #567550 - 03/02/02 05:48 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

O yessssss, I have been there brother, that is the realm that you, me even ben laden are all brothers and sisters, were to do somthing to one is to do it to all. yes I need to go back there so I wont forget. : )


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: LOBO]
    #602930 - 04/09/02 02:10 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

been there saw it all.....didn't like it....scared the crap out of me.

Yes we are all brothers at level 5...no doubt.

This is what happened to me a little over a month ago.

Felt like i was going to die....thought my parents were coming to take me to the other side....they are dead.....btw

Had a hard time staying calm.....thought if I didn't stay awake til daylight that I would surely die....it was like the light meant youth.....and the darkness meant death.
Had visions of the importance of family and sharing.....giving to others and not being greedy.....It was like God was showing me things in my mind.
I'm not religous....but I do believe in God.

I got violently sick.....spent who knows how long in the bathroom.
Throwing up.....snot running down my face.......washing my face.
Drinking water......throwing up more...felt like my guts were going to come out my mouth....horrible feeling.

It was stormy outside and my garbage cans were blowing around into the street.
I became paranoid.....thinking that the neighbors would call the police.
Started feeling like I was going insane....felt like at anytime someone was going to come into my house and take me away.
It took all I could muster just to go outside and bring the garbage cans inside.
My wooden gate was jammed up because of the wind storm.
I thought I was making too much noise.....trying to free the gate.
Felt like it took forever to get the gate unstuck.
I finally did....get the gate unstuck and got the cans in.
Went back in the house....wet from the rain.
Dryed my hair and tryed to mellow out...layed down in bed.

Started seeing visions that are hard to describe..... ant colonies.... weird animal forms.....thoughts of aliens.....thoughts of where do we really come from.
I'm Scottish.....so I started seeing visions of Scottish things.....More importance of family type of thoughts.
Started thinking of Jesus Christ.....God.....started seeing a bright white light.
Scared me.....I thought i was dying again.....I just wanted the light of morning to break so I would be ok.....the darkness of night was death.

I started to come down......I was pretty scared still.
Called my X at 6am in the morning to tell her I was sorry.....Told her what I had done.....felt like I had almost OD'd and died....we had a long talk....told her I would try and be a better parent to our son.....that I think God was trying to show me that my son and family is the most important thing in life....and not hurting people.
She is a Christian.....btw.
She was very supportive....and understanding.

Around 8am I called my girlfriend.......big mistake.....she is straight.
Told her what I had done.....and that I knew she would be upset with me.
She knew I smoked some weed and have experimented with alot of drugs in my past.....but I hadn't told her I have been Shroomin.
But I wanted to come clean with her.....big mistake.
She gave me the what the hell are you doing with your life.....crap.
Asking me if I was all strung out on drugs again.....bullshit too.
Finally after listening to me ramble about what had happened to me.....she calmed down and really listened.....but things haven't been the same between us.

I guess taking 10 dry grams was an enlightening thing.
But I don't think I really liked the out of control feelings that I had.
I probably won't be doing large doses like that again.

I'd rather have a nice mellow trip.

I have talked to several people here about my experience.....and some really knew what I was feeling ..... they made me feel better about the experience.
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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #603001 - 04/09/02 04:27 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

hm, interesting...
On level 3-4 trips I can get really lost in patterns, kinda frightening actually. Every time I watch myself for not going in too far but it draws me in like a magnet, like I have no choice when I start watching them. And every time I snap back I'm frightened about how deep in trance I was. Perhaps I should let myself go?

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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: PsyFlux]
    #603157 - 04/09/02 09:36 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

> every time I snap back I'm frightened about how deep in trance I was

Yep... it was the same for me when I started out.  I would all of the sudden realize "where I was" and literally panic.  It feels like being shot out of a canon back into reality.

> Perhaps I should let myself go?

Only you can answer that question.  :smile:


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Spitfire]
    #603176 - 04/09/02 10:05 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Search "egoloss, level 5 , ego death" THere are lots of threads with info.


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    #603974 - 04/10/02 02:19 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

When time stops you know your there!


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #604066 - 04/10/02 06:27 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Alas, there is no "you" to know that "you" are there.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #604262 - 04/10/02 12:21 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

> When time stops you know your there!

More to the point, when time starts again, you know you have been there.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #24268117 - 04/24/17 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

After the last 7 months of growing HUAUTLA's ive noticed it takes about 1 gram to reach a level 1 or 2 depending on body weight. I wheigh exactly 135 ( consistantly ). The highest level i have reached is about a 4 id say. Extream visions and halucinations, but not total loss of surroundings. Reached off of about 3.5 dry to 4g. I personally would never shoot for a level 5 trip. Id equate that to the same as DMT out of body experiance. Way more than the average person would want to be in any setting ever.

For like normal potancy id say 1 gram is equal to a level.the most i have taken at once is about 4.5 and any further into that amd im pretty sure youd hit a level 5.

For reference i took 2.5 to 3g of these at universal studios in Florida over NYE and it was almost to much to be in public. Like no stronger than acid but at the same time visuals and body high are way more powerful on mushies.

Id have to say be carful with anything over 5g. You might bite off more than you can chew depending on environmental factors and personal preferances.

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