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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: canid]
    #567220 - 03/01/02 07:45 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I was just reading a thesis a friend was showing me on Timothy Leary, psychedelics and the ego. Interesting reading.
According to this thesis, DMT and psilocybin alkaloids are commonly associated in psychological circles as being disassociatives that produce the closest possible chemically induced simulation of the psychotic delusions of paranoid schizophrenia known to them - the thesis believe these experiences mirror paranoid schizophrenic psychosis.
The contention of this writting suggests that the paranoia and fear associated with schizophrenia are exactly the same as those associated with a bad trip induced by DMT or psilocybin alkaloids - their anxiety increases as they attempt to maintain control of themselves and their perceptions when these become increasingly deluded.
Therefore, the contention of this paper is that egoloss as described primarily by Timothy Leary is when someone gives into and/or accepts these delusions and nolonger attempts to 'will' them away and regain control of their perceptions. It occurs in both those under the influence of DMT (the main substance studied) and paranoid schizophrenics - however with the later, it is a permanent break with reality that while allowing the sufferer to live without anxiety, makes interaction with the real world impossible.
I dont know how valid this is, but i thought id post a synopsis of it.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #567238 - 03/01/02 08:11 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

That is really interesting, though I would not agree with this hypothesis (that egoloss is accepting delusions or whatnot). Egoloss can also be achieved through meditation. You simply train yourself to quit thinking. The few times I think I made it to egoloss using drugs I found my way there by losing myself in the patterns that objects, such as the carpet, were making. It was more of a focus, not an acceptance. I have also had extremly rough trips where my only choice was to give in to what was happening and wait for the ride to end. By giving in, the paranoia ceaces, but it is nowhere near egoloss as I think I have experienced it. Still and interesting read non-the-less.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: conphormant]
    #567550 - 03/02/02 05:48 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

O yessssss, I have been there brother, that is the realm that you, me even ben laden are all brothers and sisters, were to do somthing to one is to do it to all. yes I need to go back there so I wont forget. : )


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: LOBO]
    #602930 - 04/09/02 02:10 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

been there saw it all.....didn't like it....scared the crap out of me.

Yes we are all brothers at level 5...no doubt.

This is what happened to me a little over a month ago.

Felt like i was going to die....thought my parents were coming to take me to the other side....they are dead.....btw

Had a hard time staying calm.....thought if I didn't stay awake til daylight that I would surely die....it was like the light meant youth.....and the darkness meant death.
Had visions of the importance of family and sharing.....giving to others and not being greedy.....It was like God was showing me things in my mind.
I'm not religous....but I do believe in God.

I got violently sick.....spent who knows how long in the bathroom.
Throwing up.....snot running down my face.......washing my face.
Drinking water......throwing up more...felt like my guts were going to come out my mouth....horrible feeling.

It was stormy outside and my garbage cans were blowing around into the street.
I became paranoid.....thinking that the neighbors would call the police.
Started feeling like I was going insane....felt like at anytime someone was going to come into my house and take me away.
It took all I could muster just to go outside and bring the garbage cans inside.
My wooden gate was jammed up because of the wind storm.
I thought I was making too much noise.....trying to free the gate.
Felt like it took forever to get the gate unstuck.
I finally did....get the gate unstuck and got the cans in.
Went back in the house....wet from the rain.
Dryed my hair and tryed to mellow out...layed down in bed.

Started seeing visions that are hard to describe..... ant colonies.... weird animal forms.....thoughts of aliens.....thoughts of where do we really come from.
I'm Scottish.....so I started seeing visions of Scottish things.....More importance of family type of thoughts.
Started thinking of Jesus Christ.....God.....started seeing a bright white light.
Scared me.....I thought i was dying again.....I just wanted the light of morning to break so I would be ok.....the darkness of night was death.

I started to come down......I was pretty scared still.
Called my X at 6am in the morning to tell her I was sorry.....Told her what I had done.....felt like I had almost OD'd and died....we had a long talk....told her I would try and be a better parent to our son.....that I think God was trying to show me that my son and family is the most important thing in life....and not hurting people.
She is a Christian.....btw.
She was very supportive....and understanding.

Around 8am I called my girlfriend.......big mistake.....she is straight.
Told her what I had done.....and that I knew she would be upset with me.
She knew I smoked some weed and have experimented with alot of drugs in my past.....but I hadn't told her I have been Shroomin.
But I wanted to come clean with her.....big mistake.
She gave me the what the hell are you doing with your life.....crap.
Asking me if I was all strung out on drugs again.....bullshit too.
Finally after listening to me ramble about what had happened to me.....she calmed down and really listened.....but things haven't been the same between us.

I guess taking 10 dry grams was an enlightening thing.
But I don't think I really liked the out of control feelings that I had.
I probably won't be doing large doses like that again.

I'd rather have a nice mellow trip.

I have talked to several people here about my experience.....and some really knew what I was feeling ..... they made me feel better about the experience.
To them.....I thank you.

If you ever need to talk...feel free to PM me.



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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #603001 - 04/09/02 04:27 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

hm, interesting...
On level 3-4 trips I can get really lost in patterns, kinda frightening actually. Every time I watch myself for not going in too far but it draws me in like a magnet, like I have no choice when I start watching them. And every time I snap back I'm frightened about how deep in trance I was. Perhaps I should let myself go?

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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: PsyFlux]
    #603157 - 04/09/02 09:36 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

> every time I snap back I'm frightened about how deep in trance I was

Yep... it was the same for me when I started out.  I would all of the sudden realize "where I was" and literally panic.  It feels like being shot out of a canon back into reality.

> Perhaps I should let myself go?

Only you can answer that question.  :smile:


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Spitfire]
    #603176 - 04/09/02 10:05 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Search "egoloss, level 5 , ego death" THere are lots of threads with info.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: ]
    #603974 - 04/10/02 02:19 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

When time stops you know your there!


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #604066 - 04/10/02 06:27 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Alas, there is no "you" to know that "you" are there.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #604262 - 04/10/02 12:21 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

> When time stops you know your there!

More to the point, when time starts again, you know you have been there.


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Re: A level 5 trip??? [Re: Seuss]
    #24268117 - 04/24/17 09:15 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

After the last 7 months of growing HUAUTLA's ive noticed it takes about 1 gram to reach a level 1 or 2 depending on body weight. I wheigh exactly 135 ( consistantly ). The highest level i have reached is about a 4 id say. Extream visions and halucinations, but not total loss of surroundings. Reached off of about 3.5 dry to 4g. I personally would never shoot for a level 5 trip. Id equate that to the same as DMT out of body experiance. Way more than the average person would want to be in any setting ever.

For like normal potancy id say 1 gram is equal to a level.the most i have taken at once is about 4.5 and any further into that amd im pretty sure youd hit a level 5.

For reference i took 2.5 to 3g of these at universal studios in Florida over NYE and it was almost to much to be in public. Like no stronger than acid but at the same time visuals and body high are way more powerful on mushies.

Id have to say be carful with anything over 5g. You might bite off more than you can chew depending on environmental factors and personal preferances.

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