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Oatman2000
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Living with Gnats...
#5625063 - 05/13/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So i got gnats.... i've had gnats for over a year now.
Strange: i've had the gnats longer than i've had my girlfriend. Maybee it's destiny.
so i go about my daily bussiness, and it's not common that you will encounter a gnat in every room of the house. (even upstairs??!?)
so i guess you can say i've been living with em for a while now and i am getting used to it. Lately, it's gettin real bad i try and suck as many as i can with a vaccume, but that doesn't do it. Every time i go to the grocery store they are out of fly strips.
just thought i would share this so others can post their experiences with gnats, and possibly how ya got rid of em???
They reproduce quicker than anything i have ever seen before...
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5625139 - 05/13/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had a problem with them, not for growing. But I have a large cage for my Greenwing Macaw, and he goes through a lot of fruits. Anyway what I did was set a glass of red win next to the cage, and which I cleaned daily. Well they fall in and drowned...bastards 
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5625254 - 05/13/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They breed in the soil of houseplants. Find out which one, and apply BT to it. They make a special BT just for fungus gnats. Do an internet search for "BT fungus gnats" and I'm sure you'll get plenty of hits. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5630985 - 05/15/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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that's awesome
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Jack_Straw]
#5640155 - 05/16/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have lots of house plants... but none are real
they are only living in my greenhouse, so i had to shop around because my store was out of fly paper. i got this!!

This was after 1 day! They LOVE IT

SUCKERS!!! 
Oh yea, it says that they are attracted to it more, when there are more gnats on it!! that's great! i am getting one for every shelf in every greenhouse i have. Wahoo!
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5641824 - 05/17/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dealing with infestation is more about prevention then extermination! maybe you should consider taking a few days off with the grow to clean everything up, fix holes and what not... and then start fresh?
install some screens over the whole house maybe?
do a little reading about the gnats and figure out the best way to prevent future infestations (that's really the only way! you can keep trying to kill them forever... those traps can help reduce the numbers but it won't fix the problame!)
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Simisu]
#5643196 - 05/17/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
simisu said: dealing with infestation is more about prevention then extermination! maybe you should consider taking a few days off with the grow to clean everything up, fix holes and what not... and then start fresh?
install some screens over the whole house maybe?
do a little reading about the gnats and figure out the best way to prevent future infestations (that's really the only way! you can keep trying to kill them forever... those traps can help reduce the numbers but it won't fix the problame!)
Your right... i have 3 greenhouses. I am switching between them, but they are not sealed. i am thinking of bombing my whole growroom, but at this time i will not.
i will get these little bastards... I thought i got rid of em all, but when i started back up operation...
Sings: "The gnat came back, the very next day. The gnat came back... thought he was a gonner but the gnat came back, he just wouldn't stay away"
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5643528 - 05/17/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The sticky pole will get them. Gnats have a short life span. Don't bomb your grow areas, it will do no good if they're coming in from outside and it's not practical to seal everything off with the massive amounts of air exchange we use.
On the positive side, they don't eat much and rarely result in contamination. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5645840 - 05/18/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, your right...
and i don't think they are comming in from outside??!? they are breeding in my room.. heh.
but like the title says, I'm kinda learning to live with em. The sticky pole is a great idea. need more.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5649546 - 05/19/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had a problem with some type of gnats I think, I don't know. All I know is there were gnat size bugs living in a large bulk mono-tub I had, and I started seeing maggots in my grow. I just killed the bugs when I seen them, and removed the maggots with tweezers. The more colonized the poo got, the less maggots I would find.
By the time it fully colonized, I seen no maggots, and had no contams result from them. The fruits weren't infested either.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5652708 - 05/20/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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  Electronic gnat zapper electrocutes the bastards. Portable Hepa sucks them into the prefilter material & kills them. Both items found at thrift stores under $10 each.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Tippinthru]
#5655963 - 05/21/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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not at the thrift stores i have around here... we got nothin good in my town. Junk=Junk
but i am gonna get a bug zapper soon... ($Brizoke$)
gotta wait till i get paid.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5655985 - 05/21/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you sure your species of gnats are even attracted to light? In my opinion, bug zappers should be illegal. Used outdoors, 90% of the bugs they kill are beneficial insects that feed on mosquitoes, gnats, aphids, etc., and you'll rarely find a mosquito in one because they're attracted to CO2, and not light. Fungus gnats are attracted to mycelium. Personally, I'd stick with the flypaper. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5656129 - 05/21/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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interesting take. I will attest to growing up next to a neighbor that had a bug zapper.
It was ANNOYING (constant buzzzt buzzzzzing and it wasn't me!) and we still got eaten alive.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Jack_Straw]
#5658295 - 05/21/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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roger rabbit. so gnats are not attracted to light? I thought most bugs were. I am interested in this for my grow room not outside
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: JSshroom]
#5660572 - 05/22/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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my light is on the outside of the greenhouse, none of the gnats are going on top toward the light, only toward the fly paper, and toward mycellium.
alot of em gone!
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5661236 - 05/22/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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agar noted having it on a timer to come on during the dark cycle. that way when all is dark and they want to lay eggs they go towards the zapper is what I thought he was getting at
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: JSshroom] 1
#5679871 - 05/27/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So now the thing is pretty full, and i got cheeper fly strips...
But look at this thing... Full as hell, and OMG! 

There is Mycellium growing on them. Just like in stamets book Mycellium Running! The mycellium is colonizing the gnat. Good shit, but still a huge infestation, and gradually getting worse.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5680286 - 05/27/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, that's some serious gnats. Certainly worse than I've ever seen them. See if datomaceous earth will 86 them. It only works when totally dry, so you'll have to sprinkle down fresh whenever you mist. The plus side is DE is great mixed in with casing material. It holds a ton of water, way more than verm. You can sprinkle DE on all your shelves too. Put anywhere the gnats land, so they'll crawl across it and get cut to shreds. DE to a bug is like us crawling naked across a bed of broken glass. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5680451 - 05/27/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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jesus i think i would shut it down like the other guy said and do some major cleaning. that can't be healthy for the mushies
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5681397 - 05/27/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DE is fine as far as I know. I am gonna start adding it to my casing. DE does work a little when wet but not much.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: JSshroom]
#5681424 - 05/27/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use it in every casing, and also mixed in with manure for the substrate. I first got the idea from Agar, so he gets the credit. You can probably find his post on DE by doing a search. I don't use it for gnat control, but rather for its water holding capaicity. You can get some monsters with DE in the substrate and casing. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5681463 - 05/27/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what ratio are you adding it to your casing and subs?
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: JSshroom]
#5681709 - 05/27/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea, and where can i buy DE?
i have done research on it, but have not seen it readily available in any place i've looked... yes the infestation is real bad.
Actually my digicam can take 15 sec clips. Maybee i can show you a short clip of them crawling across the surface... They are crazy! 
i move my casings between greenhouses so that the population lessens, but at the rate they reproduce i am loosing the battle.
Sad thing is that i have alot of casings going in soon, and i know the more there is the more there is going to be.
I need some DE
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5683708 - 05/28/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well there is a thread agar posted. youll have to dig but its a 50 pound bag for 20$ but it comes from CA so expect some shipping. Why dont you stop growing for a little bit and get things under control. foam around your windows and get a bug zapper or something?
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: JSshroom]
#5684571 - 05/28/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bug zappers are useless for fungus gnats. I got a bag of DE at Lowes hardware the other day. The local one here has it in stock. Any garden center should have it. All the organic gardeners use it for insect control. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5684907 - 05/28/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But is it food grade like AGAR says you need to have? Agar has a bug zapper in his grow room that comes on during the dark cycle. Thats when they wanna lay there eggs. I guess his has some kind of vacuum on it or something so it sucks them in. i dunno. again what ratios are we talking about with sub and casing?
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: JSshroom]
#5741253 - 06/12/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok so me and my roommate went crazy on the greenhouses...
took everything apart, and too it outside to get hosed down. cleaned the whole room, hung new flystrips and put it all back then went on a trip (vacation).
came back 3 days later and not a single gnat on the strips. I think we may have gotten rid of em!
will keep posted... but washing them down with the hose worked pretty good... YES!
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5742464 - 06/12/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah i don't think the DE would have worked with a infestation like that. if i were you i would bomb the house too. maybe you could use the DE now and it would help from getting them back.
good luck keep ur grow area clean
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5747584 - 06/13/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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also add BT to any house plants you can even spray it into your trees using a...I think its called a trombone sprayer.
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Re: Living with Gnats... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5757664 - 06/16/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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here you go : link
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: shirley knott]
#5760344 - 06/17/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol it's simple...the answer is moth balls
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Thai_connection]
#5760923 - 06/17/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks shirley... already read it tho.
do you think the moth balls will help?
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5761788 - 06/17/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't put moth balls anywhere near food. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5770255 - 06/19/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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moth balls really stink
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5860483 - 07/15/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey RR, I've used DE for insect control before but only recently read about it for cultivation. Does DE effect PH? Like oyster shell in a casing?
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: shymanta]
#5861000 - 07/15/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not that I've noticed. RR
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5866201 - 07/16/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man, with that type of infestation Oatman, it might be a good time to get what you can out of the projects and dump them. Wait for a week or so until the remaining gnats left behind die off before casing anymore projects.
I had a similar problem as well. Not quite that bad, but pretty bad. Finally I had to dump the trays, clean everything out well and waited for a new spawn run to complete. This was around a 10-14 day period that allowed me to kill off the remaining gnats, or for them to die off. It worked, but now that the summer's here, you still have to keep an eye out for them. I recently pruchased a Venus Fly Trap from Wal-Fucking-Mart for $5 that sits in the same room as my projects do. I guess it's working out so far. I haven't seen any in the room as of yet.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Hotnuts]
#5872847 - 07/18/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have them down to a minimum... it's not just me that has "projects" i have a roommate too...
together we have about 4 greenhouses. but after each spent greenhouse full, we take them outside and spray em off with a hose...
the gnats pretty much stay inside the greenhouse while fruiting. so i don't usually see any untill 3-4th flush.
i have it under controll and to a minimum, but still pesky bastards get everywhere
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5943701 - 08/08/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicely done
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: retro_killa]
#5944293 - 08/08/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can get DE from a pool supply company also. It is commenly used in commericial pool filters as are other things people use on here,
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: mrmonkey]
#5986407 - 08/22/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'll haffta check that out....
On a side note, For washing my greenhouses out.
I got a Mr. Clean Auto dry carwash... that little unit works wonders... soap and water, with a polamir filtered rinse.
haven't seen many of em for a while... This is good practice.
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Re: Ya know, They are starting to not bother me... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5999227 - 08/26/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The DE from pool companies has been calcined. You want the stuff that hasn't been.
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