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on the meaning of life
#5624309 - 05/13/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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watching the birds this morning in the afterglow of the night behind me, i fell witness to their graceful ways. flying all about, singing their songs....they lulled me into a not quite sleepy haze as i felt the early morning sun warm my face. in the large palm tree across the way there was a mother bringing food to her young. watching her feed her little ones brought a soft sense of happiness to me for a moment. birds of all feather flocked together in this no-tell motel of sorts. lots of commotion, lots of chirping....lots of flying to one tree to the next. they stop every once in a while. they look around, maybe ruffle their feathers. then they are off for what ever reason, to the next tree for more of the same. sometimes they might snag a grasshopper mid flight for a quick bite to eat, as if they didnt have the time to land and enjoy a nice meal.
and this all got me thinking.
or maybe it was the drugs, or maybe i just think. anyway, back to what i was thinking....
what exactly ARE these birds doing? and more importantly, WHY? i see that one there...i really wish i knew what the names of these birds are. maybe thats something i should read up on a bit. i saw her bring some food of sorts to her nest and feed it to her 3, maybe 4 i couldnt really see the nest that clearly, little chicks. so i know what shes doing and why. shes feeding her kids because no one else will.
and theres one over there, chasing after another one. was this some sort of schoolyard game of tag, or was this guy just trying to get himself a nice piece of tail? either way it looks like they are having fun.
every so often i catch some that are just passing by, way up over my head in the clouds. the birds. and ya my head too, but they were in some clouds higher than mine which at this moment i am still amazed at. thats quite the feat, getting way up there so high in the clouds like that. they dont stick around long enough for me to figure out the whats and whys. i thought about it long and hard, but then i remembered a friend told me once that i dont have to. so i chalked it up to the things in life that cannot be explained and bid them farewell.
and theres this fat lazy guy over here sittin all perched up. may as well have had one of those sun tanning mirrors in his lap and a cocktail at his side. wait? to birds have laps? come to think of it i dont think so but its too late now. just keep reading. he ruffles his feathers a bit, squawks and looks around. the whole time i was watching i dint think this bird got up once from the old school cable antenna which, i am fairly certain he spent the night on last night. or at least thats what ive come to believe. just sittin there, soaking it all in. not quite ready for his big day.
heh, more on this later. i need some sleep.
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5624382 - 05/13/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice post  makes me want to hear the birds sing in the morning! maybe I might, because I'm tripping tonight
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5624389 - 05/13/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Birds are neat, go to a beach instead and watch the women flock around the volleyball courts looking for guys with big muscles. I don't have muscles yet but I do plan on going to a gym soon and working on it. Then i'll see how many women flock to me. LOL.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: Octavius]
#5624473 - 05/13/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lately ive been going to sleep when the birds wake up.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5624526 - 05/13/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fuck it, im still high and cant sleep.
where was i? but more importantly, where am i going? how about where am i? ahh yes, that probably the best place to start. i am sitting out on the porch, checking out these birds, trying to get into their little bird brains, figure out what makes them tick. for all the time i watched, aside from the little things like having fun and waking up, the birds have only two things on their mind.
food.
and sex.
everything else just seems to be consequence from, or distraction from. eat and make babies. is it really that simple? or does it get even simpler? or is it even like that at all, i mean shit....these are birds. not people. we as human are much higher on the food chain, do the same rules apply?
so we are here to eat and make babies. no, i cant live with that. theres got to be more. the birds, they eat and make babies. but what do they do when they arent? they play, they sing, they fly.....what do we do when we arent eating or making babies? sleep set aside of course.
we too play. though most it seems forget how as they grow. we also sing sometimes. some better than others, but with each their own distinctive call, and that alone deserves a respectful nod. seems to work out ok for the birds. we dont have wings, but that doesnt keep some from trying to catch the sun.
but we do alot of things that the birds dont do, or at least these particular birds this particular morning. i saw no violence, no hatred or greed. these birds seem to have it all figured out with those tiny brains of theirs....or maybe they just dont know? or cant? all this time they been telling me and i didnt believe it. not at least till i saw it with my own eyes.
but even now i still dont believe it, or at least i dont want to. bliss in ignorance? no, not ignorance exactly.....
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5624559 - 05/13/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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survival and procreation are just the basics, there's more to life than that  what are you high on?
*dosing shrooms within half an hour, last time was christmas break
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: stefan]
#5624584 - 05/13/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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the tail end of 3mg of DOC, dosed almost 20 hours ago. i have lots to write, this has been one of the best times ive had on a drug in a while. i almost wish i would have done it at the past gathering, but there will be more.
all this shit, about the birds.....pales in comparison to what im not even going to try to describe. ive realized that i spend more time trying to describe the things i see and feel to people than i do actually seeing and feeling them myself sometimes. i have the tendancy to thake the fun right out of things that way.
but at the same time there are some things that need to be said, hence this thread. not sure where im really going with it but im not done yet.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: stefan]
#5624601 - 05/13/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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have fun with the shrooms bro. im thinking right now all thats taken care of for you though. pay attention to detail for me.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5624641 - 05/13/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks man 
I just downed the powdered shrooms with some juice. now I'm off to roll a joint or two since that's hard to do while tripping.
enjoy the rest of your comedown az and get some good sleep afterwards
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5625123 - 05/13/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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survival and procreation are just the basics. this we learned from the birds. but enough with the birds.
heres what i really think.
laying down with my head buried into a pillow i found myself in a very familiar setting. infected mushroom danced through my head as i gazed back in time, to a land filled with enough biblical references even the devil would be impressed.what i saw cannot be described, but guess what? i tried.....
i took a few notes after a nice stroll through the garden. scribbled down on a piece of old notebook paper its as if im trying to decipher some ancient text, so its fitting i guess.
heres what i wrote, before i got distracted....
there are just a few things in life that cannot be explained. like the color of a scale on the back of the serpent, slithering through the trees. or the sound of the leaves as they dance with the breeze as the serpent makes his way or the taste of the fruit, which though shall not eat.
i got distracted. but i think you can see where my mind was going with this. i hope so at least because im not sure. i really need some sleep but its not gonna happen and its all fresh still ya know?
the closed eye visuals were wow.
so there i was watching this snake slide so effortlessly through the trees, both literally and as a figure of speech. the snake glimmered with multi colored never ending fractals of doom hidden inside each scale just begging to be followed out to that branch. that branch, out where it was.
it wrapped itself up around the fruit as if it was to make love. so sinful, so tempting....but wait? this is bad. isnt it? thats what i was told. but its not feeling so bad, actually it feels good. it feels really good and i havent even taken a bite yet.
in our never ending pursuit of who we were, are, and will become....it seems we most often get a lending hand to help fill in the gaps from the all mighty powerful thing, usually up in the sky. or down at our feet, the places we tend to lose ourselves in when pondering such irrational thought. for some reason, we have this urge. we need to feel as if we are not alone. we need to find that higher power. we need to understand. we pick and we pry open every door, lift every rock to see what truth might scurry out from underneath. but everywhere we look, everything we have managed to piece together this far has turned out to be only a larger piece to a larger puzzle.
the thing never ends. we are born, and from that moment we start our long and sometimes painfully sweet journeys of understanding our world. hoping to figure it out before we die. like those god damned brain teaser things you get on an impulse buy while standing in the checkout lane at the grocery store. yes i said it, i took the lords name in vain. but was it really in vain? it was meant more as a cry for help....GOD! please DAMN those little brain teaser shitty things to an eternity of firey suffering in the darkest pits of hell you have to offer!
life is addicting.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5625322 - 05/13/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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my purpose in life is to appreciate beautiful things. to let them know that they are beautiful. I would like to be appreciated as well, intimately, and to appreciate beauty intimately.
I find myself unable to do this more often then not, because of conflicting reactions to what I think is beautiful, and how I react.
I do one thing, that in my head and heart is the most righteous thing for me to do at the moment. Ive hurt peoples feelings because of this, and evoked the ire of many. recently even. Pain and suffering comes from within. You create your own personal brand of sorrow and suffering and you create your own personal brand of joy and happiness. then you choose from day to day based on what your expectations about life are.
I just want to love and to be loved. to notice beauty, and be noticed as beautiful.
I have been happy when my friends were dying and when my lover was loving someone else... I have been sad when my daughter was holding me and when i was eating my favorite piece of sushi.
This makes me believe: Its all a choice, and it always will be.
Hey, Billy, I think you're a beautiful person
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: Todcasil]
#5625429 - 05/13/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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sometimes i find it hard to recognize the existence of choice, especially when theres so many out there ready to take you choices for you. sometimes i feel like the cattle being herded towards the slaughter lines, who will shortly become choice pre killed pre packaged ready to go slabs of meat. 100% grade A.
choice.
but we do have that choice. and im glad there is someone to lead by example.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5626252 - 05/13/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its really funny how much of life is made up of attitude and sheer will. The mind can be a snarling monstrosity of a foe, but can be conquered, no matter how impossible it might seem, and in every regard.
Its easy to say "It's a choice," and I think its true, but it can take a hell of a lot of dicipline to make the right choice...we are creatures of instant gratification afterall.
I'm working on my own attitude, if I feel down, instead of drowning in it, I try to do something to make myself feel better, and I try to make them productive as well, so that it is a true betterment...
I was born in the year of the snake according to Chinese science, and I definately form to the personality type...I have to get comfortable in my own skin.
Its a day-by-day process that stagnance (if that's a word) kills relentlessly.
We're a long way from birds now, guys. But Billie, whoever told you you don't have to understand is right. There are no answers, only assumptions usually designed to exploit the questioner...
Fuck it dude, lets go bowling
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its settled......
we are goin bowling.
sometime in the not so distant.
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Just another couple of thoughts inspired by the whole Eden theme...
Yesterday I wondered if Eden would have been on Hawaii, seems like a good place, the tree of knowledge grows quite well from what I understand, and I also hear its pretty much Paradise.
But, here's a real thought:
Free will, claimed by Christians everywhere to be how God designed us, but then the fucker gets pissed off when Eve eats the fruit....what possible explanations are there for this.
1. He did create free will and was pissed off because his creations, created in his image, chose to disobey him.
2. Free will was never a consideration, Old Testament stuff makes it sound like God didn't really know what he was doing at all, a kid with a science kit who didn't read the directions, or just (like us) didn't understand the natural forces he took it upon himself to fuck with.
3. Its all bullshit.
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I will also say that I hold not one of those postulations above the others, but they all seem kinda bleak
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a chaotic god, wantonly forming his image? pehaps. 
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ANYWAYS:
Quote:
Free will, claimed by Christians everywhere to be how God designed us, but then the fucker gets pissed off when Eve eats the fruit....what possible explanations are there for this.
1. He did create free will and was pissed off because his creations, created in his image, chose to disobey him.
2. Free will was never a consideration, Old Testament stuff makes it sound like God didn't really know what he was doing at all, a kid with a science kit who didn't read the directions, or just (like us) didn't understand the natural forces he took it upon himself to fuck with.
3. Its all bullshit.
Ive never seen God get pissed off for someone exercising choice. Ive seen humans get pissed off for doing that though. ANd it depends on three things really: Location, Location, Location.
Normal in the suburbs of Phoenix make the russians roll in there Vodka spittle.
If we are made in his image, then truly, it is God getting pissed at someone who takes the name of christ in vain, as the form of church goers and do gooders everywhere.
I am a do gooder, yet I claim no responsability for others peoples reactions to my actions. I do whats right for me. And they usually consists questioning the actions of others in a way that fosters the belief of free will and choice beyond what you are conditioned into 
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On genetic encoding (and back to birds)
It seems greatly agreed in the scientific community that animals act purely on instinct...that a bird will feed its young because it is programmed to...who knows if that's true or not, surely not us...but lets say that it is, when did that encoding take place? Does memory contribute? Generation after generation doing the same thing through memory that it becomes ingrained? Do birds have memories? Can our memories transcend generations?
Why does the sound of an African tribe singing a chant in a strange tongue sound so harmonious to cultures so removed from the elements of raw nature?
Just some thoughts, questions really, I have no answers
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: Todcasil]
#5626404 - 05/13/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I completely agree that free will exists
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Yeha i had a conversation with someone who believes that all animals are lesser than humans, that they act purely on instinct as well... this greatly disturbed me. Im not entirely sure why yet, but ill expound later, as I have a date with several pack members to go down to the watering hole this evening. It just feels like i should.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: Todcasil]
#5627114 - 05/14/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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maybe animals, much like us , are aware that there are things to do beyond those things which are purely maintaining your life (things that are ingrained as instincts), like sleeping, eating, sex, etc. It may be that they are simply without the mental capacity to possibly conjure up what those things are. We as humans feel a strong desire for something beyond fulfilling our survival instincts. We have desire to understand things and create things. Maybe when people say that animals don't have a soul (whatever that is) it just means that they don't have those extra cravings beyond survival.Just as our physical body sends us signals that water and food and sex are needed maybe our spiritual body (hypothetical) gives us the cravings for everything else. Perhaps the spiritual body is what we call the personality. Anyone who has pets knows that they have personalities too. Ok, this evolved into more than a comparison between animals and humans (we are animals though).This is unorganized and I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say, but I have one last final thought. Are the major differences in humans, personality wise (what gets us off), proof of coexisting spiritual lives (the spiritual self being the personality of the person) or simply fluctuations in our genetic code. Think of it in this way, are we all ants instinctually marching (via genetic programing) that are simultaneously being influenced by an underlying spiritual "self". And lastly, would these personality deriven drives be our spirit body telling us it needs recognition and satisfaction so that it will not die just as our body will if it is not fed.
Oh yeah, I just got done watching Waking Life as was suggested on here. I highly recomend watching it also. It has definitely got my mind churning.
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: MasFina]
#5627837 - 05/14/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Well, now time passed and now it seems Everybody's having them dreams. Everybody sees themselves walkin' around with no one else. Half of the people can be part right all of the time, Some of the people can be all right part of the time. But all the people can't be all right all the time I think Abraham Lincoln said that. "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours," I said that."
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Re: on the meaning of life [Re: wrestler_az]
#5628199 - 05/14/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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the meaning of life is whatever you want it to be
but the PURPOSE of life is to get stronger.
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