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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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    #5627556 - 05/14/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> I don't think they are particulary happy about their robes, or that they would feel pain if someone stole them from them.

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The Moon Cannot Be Stolen

A Zen Master lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening, while he was away, a thief sneaked into the hut only to find there was nothing in it to steal. The Zen Master returned and found him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty handed. Please take my clothes as a gift." The thief was bewildered, but he took the clothes and ran away. The Master sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could give him this beautiful moon."




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    #5627580 - 05/14/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Ped said:
>> It is necessary to construct form in order for form to realize the formless?  

Sure, I think so.  Many people criticize Tibetan traditions, saying that they rely too heavily on concepts to dissolve conceptualization. Many people prefer the astringent approach of Zen traditions, which attack conceptualization directly.  They say that the mind simply needs to rest and open up to Nirvana now:  why bother with discourses and commentaries and such things?  I don't disagree with this view, but at the same time I'm not sure if this is entirely practical for us in the west.  We have many coarse modes of consciousness that rule our experience, and these cannot be pacified readily with highly esoteric koan meditations and long, grueling sits.  It is necessary to apply opponent conceptualizations, I think, as a preliminary means of correcting one gross extreme with another.  In this way we can find the Middle Way, and can set about the actual effort of freeing the mind.




Very cool, ive been contemplating fwg's question as its a good one, and my experience resonates with your view.  :thumbup:


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